If Trump Were King Cyrus

Is President Donald Trump really King Cyrus? Photo courtesy of http://messiahsmandate.org/is-president-trump-a-cyrus.

Judge Jeanine Pirro, host of the FOX News program “Justice With Judge Jeanine,” is one confused Catholic.  The Pope and the Vatican have, by no means, approved of President Donald Trump’s unilateral decision to declare Jerusalem the capitol of Israel, but Judge Jeanine has foolishly joined Trump’s right wing evangelical brigade in anointing him as a modern day King Cyrus, the Persian leader who conquered Babylon, freed the Jews from bondage and rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem around 550 B.C. or so.

There are so many obvious problems with this comparison it beggars belief. First of all, if Cyrus were alive today, he’d be an Iranian—the ancient kingdom of Persia lies within Iran’s modern day borders—and we know how The Donald feels about Iranians and their deals.

Secondly, the only people in bondage in Israel nowadays aren’t Jews, they’re Palestinians, not counting the 56 protesters killed by IDF snipers at the Gaza border fence on Monday, who’ve been set free to meet their maker. At the same time, just miles away, Princess Ivanka opened the new U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem as if the blood-soaked scene at Gaza wasn’t happening. How many more Palestinians does Trump plan on “freeing?”

Thirdly, when right-wing evangelicals claim biblical prophesy has been fulfilled by moving the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, they’re not just celebrating the forced creation of the Jewish state and the simultaneous expulsion of 750,000 Palestinians in the Nakba 70 years ago. They’re also referring to the “New Jerusalem” that in their eschatology, their end-times philosophy, literally descends from heaven to rest upon the ashes of the earthly Jerusalem in the Book of Revelations.

There will be no Jews allowed in the New Jerusalem. Gentiles, Muslims, Buddhists, agnostics and atheists will be similarly banned. Only Christians of the highest order will survive the tribulation and judgment, and these select few will live happily ever after in the New Jerusalem, which will be presided over by Jesus Christ himself.

Right-wing evangelicals imagine themselves populating this paradise and it’s the key to understanding their unconditional support for Israel, no matter how many atrocities IDF soldiers commit in the Occupied Territories, no matter how low the status of the Palestinian people sinks. It’s not for love of the Jews. Southern Baptist Pastor Robert Jeffress, who delivered the opening prayer at the dedication of the new U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem, believes Jews go to hell if they don’t convert to Christianity.

I’m not sure if such talk bothers Jewish people all that much, since they don’t actually believe in heaven or hell, but at any rate, Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu can’t afford to be too choosy when it comes to picking friends nowadays, since Israel’s aggressive expansion of settlements in the Occupied Territories during his reign have made it a near-pariah state worldwide.

Currently, Bibi counts his friends on one hand: the United States, the wahhabist head-chopping Saudi Arabian regime, casino-magnate Sheldon Adelson, and right-wing evangelicals.

In my view, which you are welcome to debate, this global condemnation of Israel is justified. What we’ve been witnessing is the slow-motion extermination of the Palestinian people, unfolding across seven decades of time, aided and abetted most prominently by the United States. The possibility of a two-state solution — one for Jews, one for Palestinians — fades with every new Israeli settlement, with every unarmed Palestinian shot down in cold blood with impunity. The IDF claims it has more than enough bullets to kill them all.

If Cyrus the Great were to return and conquer Babylon today, in order to to repeat his deeds from the 5th century BC, the first thing he’d arguably do is free the Palestinians and grant them equal footing with the Jews in Israel. Creating tolerance for divergent religious and cultural views was the hallmark of Cyrus’ greatness. He was, in essence, a multi-culturalist.

That, of course, is not the Cyrus Netanyahu and Jeffress have in mind when they compare Trump to the biblical Cyrus. For Netanyahu, the comparison comes more naturally, because Cyrus is a traditional hero of the Jewish people. By recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capitol, Trump is figuratively restoring the Temple Cyrus literally rebuilt.

Jeffress and other right-wing evangelicals liken Trump to Cyrus for an additional reason. The biblical King Cyrus was a non-believer, renowned for his debauchery as much as his fair-mindedness. As a writer for Vox notes, comparing Trump to Cyrus is a way for right-wing evangelicals to launder Trump’s non-existent religious credentials, in much the same way Trump laundered Russian mob money to create his real estate empire.

It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Trump has taken to this comparison. If he didn’t understand the religious significance that Jerusalem holds to the Jewish, Christian and Islamic world before he moved the embassy, surely he must have some inkling of it now. He could use it to his advantage, take on the persona of the historical Cyrus, and impose a settlement that would be fair to Jews, Palestinians, Arabs and everyone else presently living within the state of Israel.

On the other hand, maybe the United States should stick to secular diplomacy. I’m reminded of a young man from Texas several years back by the name of Vernon Wayne Howell, a religious man with a predilection for pastor’s pre-pubescent daughters. Howell, a Seventh Day Adventist, traveled to the holy city of Jerusalem and was struck with a vision from God informing him that he, Vernon Wayne Howell, was the direct descendant of both King David and King Cyrus.

He chose the Hebrew name for the latter king and returned to the United States as David Koresh, convincing a small number of his Branch Davidian followers that his appetite for women under the legal age of consent, including their own daughters, was justified by Bible passages that reference “sinful messiahs” such as King Cyrus.

Koresh claimed to have unlocked, at long last, the true and total meaning of the Bible. He and 79 of his followers burned to death in their Waco, Texas, compound before he got the chance to let the rest of us in on the secret.

President Trump/Cyrus’s dalliances with porn stars and playmates are hardly Koresh-level transgressions, but he nevertheless faces a far more trying tribulation.

His opposition to the Iran nuclear deal and his unilateral decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem may have just been sops to his religious right base, but they have always been in conflict with another one of his campaign promises, extracting the United States from the quagmire of Middle East conflicts it has been embroiled in since 9/11. Now that he’s fulfilled those first two promises, the third is looking more doubtful than ever.

Israel began upping air strikes in Syria moments after Trump pulled out of the Iran deal last week, attempting to goad Iranian forces who are in the country legally under international law into counter-attacking. As the Palestinian Nakba demonstrations continue, we face the grim daily spectacle of unarmed demonstrators being picked off one-by-one by IDF snipers.

What is President Trump thinking, now that his good friend Bibi is re-igniting the war in Syria, just weeks after Trump announced he was pulling troops out? Does the White House really believe, as it has stated, that Iran is solely to blame for the Palestinians who are being picked off like so many flies in the Gaza, that Israel bears no responsibility, whatsoever? Does the president, who ran against regime change policies, now support regime change in Iran?

If so, that doesn’t sound like King Cyrus at all. In fact, it sounds much more like President George W. Bush, and we know how Trump feels about him.

David Koresh used to preach that the Old Testament and the New Testament meet in the Book of Revelation. Right-wing evangelicals, including members of Trump’s cabinet, share this interpretation of the Bible. That’s how they’ve arrived at the conclusion that Trump is King Cyrus.

It’s a shame he’s not. We could really use Cyrus the Great right now.

R.V. Scheide
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41 Responses

  1. Avatar conservative says:

    I hope all voters in the first congressional district will read this elegant description of Democrats’ thinking for the election in 173 days.

    • A. I am not a Democrat. B. You are not a conservative. C. Voting has no effect on this issue.

      • Avatar Tobar says:

        R.V. Scheide, glad that you have addressed this matter since people in this country apparently cannot visualize that there is a de-facto State of War between the State of Israel and the Islamic Republic of Iran, being the main battlefield at this stage the Syrian Arab Republic. The world is also witnessing the progressive escalation of hostilities in that part of the Middle East between these two powers, which subsequently will turn into a regional war whose predictable (and unknown) consequences will definitively be felt in the United States.
        As stated before, wondering if residents in Shasta County are prepared to cope with these new realities and accept the fact that war will reach Continental US sooner rather than later: scenarios such as a massive cyber attack, an EMP attack or even nuclear strikes are not longer hypothetical events.
        Seems that nobody in anewscafe is willing to discuss about those issues either because it is more comfortable living in denial or because the owners of this blog prefer to keep entertained their audience with nonsense rather than informing about the ongoing war between Israel and Iran (not caring about foreign policy is not longer an option).

        • Barbara Rice Barbara Rice says:

          Dear Tobar,

          “Seems that nobody in anewscafe is willing to discuss about those issues”

          If you would like to write such an article for consideration for publication, see the “Contact Us’ link at the top of the page.

        • I’m certain we’ll experience a catastrophic event in this country in the not so near future. I’ve contemplated this for years and have dabbled in some research. The prospects are terrifying and the potential damage massive and immediate.

    • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

      Conservative, A. Do you think before you post? B. Whether one agrees or disagrees with this article how do you say it is the Democrats view? C. What does the Mideast troubles have to do with the 1st congressional district anyway?

    • Avatar Colleen Adams says:

      Oh Gee Whiz! “This elegant description of Democrats’ thinking?” You really know how to make assumptions and label someone who doesn’t agree with Trump’s foreign policy. Democrats, I can assure you, are not the only ones who don’t agree with Trump’s bold move in Israel.

      But actually, what I really think is that most people don’t even understand the complexity of these foreign policy decisions, and so in order to just get people on board with Trump, news stations like Fox have to start throwing in this Biblical prophesy stuff. They know that most people really have no idea of the history you have to learn in order to understand the complexity of some of these world situations, so here they come with the Bible. And people sure love their Bible stories. If many people would take the time to study some actual world history instead of studying their book of magic, they might have a totally different opinion about some of the issues that they either get behind or rally against when a television news reporter tells them that Trump has fulfilled Biblical prophesy.

      It’s really something to consider that most of the world isn’t on board with the U.S. on this issue. The U.S. doesn’t actually do everything right, and if people took some time to explore what the rest of the world does (and not just about Israel, but about issues that affect U.S. citizens in their every day lives and the lives of their children), then they might learn something. Unfortunately, I suspect that many people are happy to believe what they are told by Fox news, or their pastors, or their old played out role models who can’t seem to realize that the world has changed since the Bible was written, and changed since they were kids and it’s time they changed too.

      Are “these people” I talk about Republicans or conservatives, or Libertarians, or Democrats, or socialists, or what? Can somebody tell me, please? I’m not sure how I will know if I should hate them or not if someone doesn’t tell me WHAT ARE THEY???

      As for me, the fiction I am going to retreat to right now is not the Bible, but Arthur C. Clarke’s 3001. Frank Poole, after floating in space for 1000 years has been rescued. The world, 1000 years later, is peaceful and intelligent, and when he says, “Oh God!” to someone when he first wakes up, he is met with a shocked stare, as there is no such thing as religion anymore, and it’s pretty taboo in 3001 to even say the word God

      • Thanks, Colleen. I think the people I’ve labeled right-wing evangelicals are a relatively small but powerful group, perhaps 10 to 15 percent of the general population, and 30 percent of Trump’s base. Your suggestion that the Bible offers them a sort of shorthand for understanding the complex situation unfolding in the Middle East is on point. The problem of course is heretics can make the Bible say whatever they need it to say, usually in the service of some worldly power or for their own financial gain. Fortunately, there are many thinkers from the the three great religions involved in this dispute who are not heretics who can offer us valuable insight into the way forward. In fact, if Trump were to behave as if he was Cyrus the Great, he could solve this problem, because it’s the exact same problem from 550 BC, with the roles of the various tribes involved switched around. But evangelicals have a more apocalyptic ending in mind. They’re actually cheering the shootings in Gaza because it fits their eschatology. It’s quite despicable and dare I say, un-American.

        • Avatar Colleen Adams says:

          R.V., I agree. Un- American.

        • Avatar Richard Christoph says:

          Colleen and R.V.

          Very good writing by you both, but one minor quibble:

          “prophecy is sometimes confused with prophesy”

          proph·e·sy
          verb
          say that (a specified thing) will happen in the future.

          proph·e·cy
          noun
          a prediction.

          I prophesy that your writing will be much appreciated and anticipate that the prophecy will come true.

  2. Avatar Aleeta Stamn says:

    Another brilliant piece of writing by R. V.

    I wonder how much more damage the religious “right”, their trained dog in the White House, and his heavily fundamentalist administration will be allowed to do to the world before the rest of the population takes control, and relegates their destructive, self-serving superstitions to the garbage can of history.

    • I am already reading intense backlash from some Republicans, including among conservatives of the Pat Buchanan ilk, about the outrage in Gaza. They understand what this looks like to rest of the world: Israel dictates our foreign policy. The sad truth is that through lobbying organizations like American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC, Israel does have some degree of control of our foreign policy. Last time I checked, Israel was a foreign country, but we’re not likely to have any investigations of Israeli collusion any time soon, because the entire Congress would be indicted.

  3. Avatar common sense says:

    It’s quite obvious that conservative hates Democrats and Cannabis. And it’s quite obvious that conservative knows little about either! No growth comes with a closed mind.

    R.V great work on this one!

    I am not a Democrat or a Republican….I am a free thinker and strive for common sense.

    • I get confused sometimes. I thought Conservative liked weed?

      He likes being right, so he’s gloating in advance that the same sorry conservatives who’ve driven this county into the gutter will in all likelihood be re-elected in the fall, no matter what happens.

      I sure hope there’s something to this Blue Wave!

  4. Avatar Stan W says:

    Those crazy people over there have had god’s blessing to kill for a long long time. Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
    This is just one of many of god’s commands to murder those that don’t walk the line.
    Thanks again for another good one RV.

  5. Any comments that are negative toward Israel bring vicious attacks from many sources. Somehow the holocaust entitles them to weapons free on anybody that seems hostile to them . Watching them over the years steal more and more land from the Palestinians. If they have to murder every man woman and child they view as in their way no problem open fire.

    I payed little attention to the problems of Israel until they attacked our communication ship “The Liberty” knowing it was American and gave the command to destroy the vessel. Not only attack, but gun down sailors in life boats .

    That was it for me, no more special treatment for the horrible events carried out by Israel , They get treated just like any other out of control country

    It is long past time for the United Nations to step in with a peace keeping force, move the boundaries back to the 67 lines and enforce them for ever . If Israel wants to house more folk learn to build up , not out.

    And while we are at it, we need to stop the execution of millions of Yemenis by bombs , starvation and drones. The blockade that keeps food and medicines from coming ashore. Now we here news we have special forces in Yemen to help in the destruction.

    Will we ever return to a respected nation status with the rest of the world?

    • The answer right now Dad is no, it doesn’t seem like we’re likely to regain status as a respected nation of the world anytime soon. I’ve been holding out some hope that Trump might somehow bluster his way through this, maybe convince Israel to be a little more magnanimous in victory, but the opposite appears to have happened. Trump undid the Iran deal as promised, perhaps thinking he’d make up for it and strike a peace deal with North Korea. Now that looks like its falling apart thanks to John Bolton and the neocon crew Trump has resuscitated. The neocons will push for regime change in Iran, there’s no question this push is coming. George W. Bush resisted it, Barack Obama resisted it, but Trump isn’t half of either of those men. Things look gloomy.

    • Avatar Joanne Lobeski Snyder says:

      The attack on “The Liberty” happened during war was declared a mistake by both Israeli and U.S. investigators.

  6. Avatar Stan W says:

    The IDF snipers are the lowest form of terrorists. They are cowards period. To shot unarmed civilians is a sick minded low life. If trump could put military snipers on our borders to shot anyone that stuck their toe across our border I would only hope our fine military folks would have enough honor to know better. I just love the way most major religions justify murder in the name of their god.

    • Avatar Tim says:

      LOL, you’re kidding, right? We’ve killed something like 500,000 unarmed civilians in various post-9/11 wars supporting western puppets. All hail BushObamaTrump!

      But it is nothing new. We talk a big game about how evil the Nazis were for killing millions of Jews, yet America operated its own concentration – er “interment” –
      camps and the UK killed nearly as many millions of innocent civilians in their own holocaust: http://www.tehelka.com/2014/06/remembering-indias-forgotten-holocaust/

      • Why stop at 500,000 killed by the US in the Middle East? Let’s start counting from the first Gulf War, the sanctions on Iraq in the 90s that killed millions in Iraq, the millions more who have died since 9/11, including thousands of our own troops, who’ve died fighting conflicts we have no business being in. I still halfway belief Osaama Bin Laden was killed in Tora Bora in Nov. 2001, but the US didn’t tell anyone to keep the ball rolling.

        • Avatar Tim says:

          Yeah, I often wonder whether there has ever been a justifiable war. WWII probably comes closest, but in hindsight we can see how it stemmed from the excesses of the WW1 peace process.

          Going back further, was the revolution even really justified? The conditions in Colonial America really weren’t that bad (for white landowning men anyway), but stirring up dissent was a pretty lucrative business for big New England newspapers.

          For instance, the Tea Act of 1773 – the precursor to the Boston Tea Party, was a ~10% tax on American tea. 18 years later & almost immediaty following the revolution, Washington/Hamilton imposed a ~25% tax on American whiskey.

          Not only was the whiskey tax was regressive (large distillers could pay a flat fee, small farmers paid a higher per-gallon rate), it mainly affected rural Americans (city folk – almost all in the Northeast – usually drank ale or cider).

          • Tim, I recently read this bit of US history I was unfamiliar with. Apparently around 1770 or so, George III attempted to establish the English church as the state religion in America. This didn’t go over well with the pluralist colonies and apparently helped spark revolutionary sentiments.

            My favorite alternative WWII scenario in regards to this article is this: Suppose the US hadn’t turned away those boat loads of Jews and other minorities fleeing the Nazis in the 1930s? WWII might have been averted, millions of Jews could have been saved, and hypothetically, there wouldn’t be a need for the creation of Israel. In many Protestant interpretations of the Bible prophecies, America is, literally, Israel.

            Even though shrewd diplomacy could have kept us out of WWII, our failure to act in the 1930s made it practically inevitable. 70 years later, our failure to be a just broker of peace between Israel and Palestine threatens the same result.

  7. Avatar Stan W says:

    Tim your right. I know when I’m wrong or part wrong. But I’m not laughing. I wasn’t aware that our snipers shot unarmed civilians in the post 9/11 wars. I do know we bombed the crap out of anything that winked the wrong way. I’m not as smart as the most of you all so thanks for setting me straight Tim.

  8. Avatar Stan W says:

    Thank you Tim for the links. I do remember these things happening. I guess my anger comes from all the evil things done in the name of god or religion. I won’t post on this topic anymore because there are people like you and RV who know way more then I and can say it way better than I can.

    • Avatar Tim says:

      Nah, I owe you an apology. I get triggered by jingoism (which wasn’t even in your post) and got a bit snarky. Please don’t stop posting on my account.

  9. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    RV, while I may have a different perspective on some of what you say, good article. This, and some of the comments, is why I read Anews.
    Unfortunately, for many on here, unless the Democrats have a plan Trump will be reelected. I did not vote for him in 2016, or HRC, I was as shocked as anyone to see him elected. But everybody talks about his core, racists/right wing evangelic/sexists, but there are many like myself that, depending on the Democrats, may vote for Trump because he has brought about change to a political process that needed a correction.

    • Bruce, I voted for Trump in part because I saw him as the chaos candidate a creature who is not of the swamp. We’ve now learned that he is the swamp. In fact, he appears to be so corrupt in his business dealings, he may not serve out his first term.

      But you’re right, currently, the Democrats have noting to offer other than “resistance” to Trump. The economic fallout from the Great Recession still hasn’t been addressed, especially in rural America, and it isn’t going to be addressed. The Democratic Party killed its soul when it favored HIllary over Bernie, and they seem bound and determined not to present themselves as a progressive popularist party, which is how they can win.

      Who knows what happens if Trump starts a new war in the Middle East?

      • Avatar Common Sense says:

        Agreed on the Dem’s Screwing of Bernie! They shot themselves in the foot on that one and it has cost them dearly! The T man showed me who he was over the many years but Clearly showed me who and what he was about during the Mocking of the Disabled man and the Blatant Lies during his Campaign. That was enough right there to NOT vote for him. Now he is clearly showing me who he is and what he is all about on pretty much a Daily Basis( pay for play)….and I am not shocked one bit!

        This will go down in History as the largest and greatest plot to date to install a Puppet Prez for the Benefit of Russia, for the purpose of disrupting our Democracy and to try and get the Sanctions lifted to regain the Billions a Year in income to Putin and the Oligarchs.

        Eric Trump-” We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.” And so it is!

        https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/us/politics/trump-jr-saudi-uae-nader-prince-zamel.html

  10. Avatar common sense says:

    Trump won’t be in office for the 2020 Election.

    Kim Jong Un is currently starting his “Schooling” session and will have him right where he wants him prior to the “Meeting”. After all, a potential “Peace Prize and a Win are at stake”! Who do you think needs this meeting more? If you understand the Korean mindset and how they negotiate…..this is clearly going to be fun for Kim. The Koreans are skillful negotiators that at times are brutal. This is no backroom real estate deal…..this is going to be humiliation on the Global Stage…..

    This is the stage of the game where they start turning on him(GOP). Distancing themselves as they are starting to see more clearly…..he is an Anchor!

    Another bombshell should hit by the end of the month.

    • If Kim Jong Un can extract a reasonable deal from Trump that brings North Korea into the modern world, I’m all for it. We nearly exterminated them 70 years ago, and we owe it to them. I think Kim is playing judo, using the immense weight of Trump’s ego against him. I’m fairly certain the US will never agree to any treaty that gives Kim even a modicum of what he wants.

      And yes, the Trump corruption bomb shells are ready to drop. It’s going to be ugly when we find out who the 45th president actually is.

  11. Avatar Joanne Lobeski Snyder says:

    Great article R.V. Everything that happens in Israel today has roots in old history. There have forever been Jews and Arabs in that Israel. From the early 1900s Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe and countries around the world had been buying up property so they could live in Israel. After WWII, the U.N.’s proposal to divide Palestine into two countries was rejected by the Palestinians. I believe they rejected this concept because there were plans in the works to destroy all of the Jewish settlements once the English left Palestine. Once the English did leave the country, Syria, Egypt and Jordan attacked. Iraq participated. Israel won their War of Independence against amazing odds. By the way, ultra-orthodox Rabbis seldom agree with decisions make by the government of Israel.
    Hundreds of Jews have been killed or injured by suicide bombers in town squares, restaurants, on buses, and on city streets in Israel in the last few decades. Are the only facts we’re made aware of facts if they have propaganda value?
    Stan W. You made some good points about how people pick and choose Biblical scripture to fit their agenda. A lot of killing has resulted from this throughout history. I would look at Israel as a country making decisions that protect its citizens in a very hostile area of the world. I don’t agree with everything Israel does. I don’t understand the politics of this foreign country. I do however avoid blaming this multi-cultural, and multi-religious country’s citizenry for any decision by their government.

    • With all due respect, Joanne, you’re presenting a one-sided view of Zionism and the creation of Israel. Zionism became a movement in the early 19th century, and by the end of that century, Jews were already settling in Palestine. The movement enjoyed support from some Christian elements because 1. Returning the Jews to Israel proper fulfills prophecy and 2. They hate Jews and believed they shouldn’t be in the diaspora, i.e. The western civilized world.

      Britain retained control of Palestine after WW1 and did not leave until Jewish terrorists drove them out of the country shortly after WWII. Then the Jewish settlers drove off 750,000 Palestinians in what they call the Nakba, or the catastrophe, celebrated on the same day Israelis celebrate their statehood.

      Have the Palestinians fought back? Of course they have, for more than 70 years, during which we have poured hundreds of billions of dollars into arming the Israelis to the teeth, while the Palestinians throw stones and strap on suicide vests. It’s been ugly on all sides, but the death count is grossly in favor of Israel by at least 10 to 1.

      The Gaga Strip is an open air prison. The Israelis have blockaded it for 11 years. Are we going to stand by and watch while Israel exterminated the remainder of the population?

  12. Avatar Stan W says:

    Tim I understand that these kind of thing can get people fired up. I know what fires me up like the abuse of religion and discrimination.
    Joanna I agree with you and no we can not blame the citizens of most country’s for the behavior of their governments.
    I have been to country’s that had dictators in charge with US sanctions on them and the one thing I learned is that sanctions do not really hurt the government near as much as it is hurts the poor folks that live there.
    I see small but alarming similaritys between dictators of these third world country’s and the direction that some use religion to gain control over people, their minds and money.
    I can’t do much if anything for the friends I have made suffering in those country’s but this our country and if we let cults like bethel run wild well then we deserve what we are going to get.

  13. Avatar Richard Christoph says:

    Most Americans are unaware that the Father of Zionism, Theodore Hertzl, proposed that the Jewish homeland be established in “The Uganda Plan.”

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/1903-herzl-proposes-kenya-as-jewish-home-1.5391077

    Personally, I believe that the state of Israel should have been established in Alabama and Mississippi.

  14. Avatar Joanne Lobeski Snyder says:

    Thanks for your responses. It’s good to know what other people think.