President Trump seems to want to destroy the American economy. When solid Trump supporters like Senator Martha McSally oppose his moves on tariffs and wants an investigation into the hiding of The John McCain he is looking more like a clown everyday. But the Democrats look like 22 clowns. Beto’s immigration plan includes sending $5 billion in economic aid to Central America. That $5 billion should boost rural America economy.
Trump says illegal immigrants cost us $250 billion/year. Conservative analysts have put the cost/year closer to $115 billion/year after backing out what illegals pay in taxes.
If the estimates by conservative analysts are credible, we could afford to spend $15 billion/year (3x Beto’s proposal) if it resulted in a one-third reduction in illegal immigration, and the net savings would be $38 billion.
According to the conservative/ libertarian Cato Institute, a watered-down version of Trump’s wall will cost $60 billion, excluding operational and maintenance costs, and arguably would be marginally successful.
Beto’s proposal might not work, but it’s enough of a bargain that it seem like it’d be worth a try.
Beto’s plan to send $5 billion to Central America to boost their economy will have the same result as all the billions sent to South America to fight drugs, total failure. The problem is here and we need to wake up to the fact that America is still seen by immigrants as a land of opportunity.
I’m not buying your absolutist pessimism. Like I said, at $5 billion (or $15 billion), it’s worth a shot to find out if it’ll work—a bargain. Better than spending $60 billion or more on a wall/fence thingee that won’t work.
As for being the land of opportunity? Depends on which way the wind is blowing. During the Great Recession, there was a net migration of one million people back to Latin America. No compelling reason to be stay if there isn’t work—living on the cheap is easier in Mexico.
Postscript: You’re right, Bruce. Reagan’s War on Drugs was a failure. But the Marshall Plan was not a failure, spectacularly so.
CONGRATULATIONS – to the Foothill HS students who did so well in the state high school trap shooting championships.
Man, I missed y’all while aNewsCafe was down. If you didn’t miss me, please lie and say you did.
I missed you, Hal. On a scale of zero to infinity, closer to zero—I can’t lie—but that’s only because infinity is hella big.
I’ll paraphrase Tony Orlando speaking of Bob Hope to describe how we feel about you: “If you could put all the laughs that Hal has gotten, one after another, they would stretch all the way to the universe and fill up the black hole in space.”
Much the same can be said about you, Steve. Comments by you and Hal frequently make my day.
Beverly, exactly. Sometimes I laugh so much, tears roll down my cheeks.
Welcome back! Just curious… what are y’alls feelings about California’s proposal to allow illegal immigrants to enroll in Medi-cal?
Doug, who exactly are illegal? The migrants affecting the support systems, health, food shelter, here in Phoenix are legal asylum seekers awaiting transportation to vetted family or friends in other states. Right now ICE is dropping them off at the irrigation ditch next to the Greyhound Depot and local churches, it is always churches, are tending to their needs. Greyhound won’t let them into the air conditioned depot unless they have a ticket. Temps are now in triple digits.
That didn’t exactly answer my question. Who exactly are illegal? Those that illegaly cross our border. If California offers free health care to illegals, all those now in Arizona will be rushing into Can. Can you blame them? The border is now a humantarium crisis that Congress is ignoring. Remember when the Democrats we’re saying it is a made up crisis? I saw an interview with the head of border security begging for more resources and money…but Congress would rather focus all their attention on Trump.
California is offering free healthcare for 90,000 low income undocumented workers in the state. Nothing about illegals crossing the border. To pay for it they will tax residents without health coverage, something the GOP declared unconstitutional last year.
Ummm…when they cross the border illegally, they are then undocumented workers and eligible for benefits. You honestly believe that tax a mandate tax will pay the $200 million a year? I was curious about this because I haven’t seen any polling on this plan.
We need to better manage illegal immigration. Letting people on our soil suffer and die of treatable illnesses and injuries isn’t the answer, unless you have zero compassion (which seems to be the case with many of us).
(Meant as a reply to Doug.)
“Better manage” is the key. I don’t hold out much hope until Donald and Mitch have made their transitions. I landed in Chico just before the Camp Fire. I have seen what a population increase of 20,000 can have on an area. There are not enough doctors to handle the situation. Health clinics were doubling up with one line for Chico residents, and one line for Paradise residents. The hospital has opened rooms that have been closed for years. The nice nurse, from whom I bought her used table, told me it’s not a great idea to get sick now. Beto’s idea is interesting, and good for him for thinking out of the box. However, would that money really go to those who need it? Would the money be enough to change the situation, and attract retaining the citizens? I’m thinking if we could stop the war machine, and everyone pay their fair share in taxes…and no, letting people suffer is not the answer.
Give a banana republic $5 billion? You really believe that money will filter down to the citizens? Or stolen by the political elite?
Doug — Your assumptions are overly negative and off-base. You assume that the money would be given to the three countries—the plan calls for investment. You assume that the political elite would somehow grab the money—the real threat in the Northern Triangle (the target of his plan) would be gangs getting their hooks into it.
Once again, you’re playing the contrarian for the sake of playing the contrarian, without bothering to get the slightest bit informed.
The Marshall Plan was a spectacular success. We haven’t tried it since.
Of course we need to better manage our immigration system… that’s why Congress is working tirelessly on immigration. Oh wait, never mind
You throw a lot of darts. It’s the law of averages that some of them hit the bulls-eye. Yeah, Congress should be working on immigration reform.
Oh wait, they are: HR-6, the Dream and Promise Act, passed 237-187. But it stands no chance in the Senate, because it doesn’t contain the usual punitive-measure compromise that the fearful and vindictive Senators need to feel good about themselves.
Also, my guess is that Trump would veto any immigration reform bill that didn’t include funding for his vanity project—Trump’s Wall.
Steve, Congress is not serious about immigration reform, they need it as a wedge issue for elections. it is not a vanity wall, all the immigration and border experts say a wall or barrier is necessary. As far as E verify. I used it for years and it was very effective. So effective that after a year or so, word got out that we use it and the number of illegals applying for jobs dropped dramatically. It would take a couple of hours to formulate legislation to fix the crisis. But Congress doesn’t have the will…GOP and Dems alike. But back to my original question…who’s in favor of health care benefits for illegals in CA?
The illegal immigration debate is a sham. The solution to the issue has always been right in front of our noses: charge the employers who hire them with a crime, and fine them accordingly, so that other employers will see that exploiting low wage illegal immigrants is not profitable.
Yup. I’ve been arguing that for a decade.
In conservative Arizona, it’s a state crime for Grandma to hire an illegal alien laborer from the parking lot at Lowes to paint her mailbox. But commercial roofers hire illegals with impunity…I listened to an Arizona roofing contractor speak at a HUBZone conference, complaining bitterly about a proposal to require federal government contractors to demonstrate that their foreign workers were documented.
Get caught hiring an illegal, misdemeanor with a $5,000 fine or a week in jail. Second offense or 5+ illegals, felony offense with a $50,000 fine and three months in jail. And expand visiting worker visa programs so that there’s not a catastrophic labor shortage.
In conservative Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio was fined and sued for racial profiling of Hispanics. And the Democrat who replaced him has already come under fire for working with ICE.
In Redding the cure for illegal immigration may be clear because you have no illegals and it is English speaking. In Phoenix, I live here not any of you, everybody speaks Spanish and it is illegal to ask anybody about their immigration status. Sometimes I feel that when I speak English someone will tell me to speak Spanish or go back to Wyoming.
Some in Congress want to lower the age limit to 19 for cross state CDL drivers. In state is 18. They say there is a truck driver shortage but opponents say their is no truck driver shortage. My son said there is a shortage of truck drivers who will work for what the trucking companies pay. He would know, he is a trainer for CR England. Right now England, in Phoenix alone, needs 150 drivers and they offer free paid training. England just gave their drivers raises to keep drivers. My son will make upwards of $80,000 this year and has health and retirement benefits. One thing he doesn’t have is student debt because his training was paid for by the company.
The cure for immigration is for Americans to take those jobs that immigrants are taking.
Sheriff Joe’s woes with racial profiling came courtesy of the federal government, not the State of ‘Zona.
Steve, the art of deflection. You bring up Arizona law and then say it was the feds. Like everybody else in white English speaking Shasta County you have no idea what it is like in Arizona regarding immigrants.
My point in bringing up the feds wasn’t to deflect. Arizona law (or at least Sheriff Joe’s interpretation of it) was held by the courts to violate federal law.
That’s like saying prostitution will go away if we charge johns…
It is already illegal to hire illegals. Many have forged documents to pass E-verify (there are millions of active social security numbers for people aged over 110 – the oldest is like 150). Others illegals work for chameleon contractors who supply labor to legit companies and just form a new business whenever they get caught.
Sanctuary states like California certainly don’t help matters by making it illegal for employers to ask potential employees if they are in the US legally.
Of course it’s illegal to hire illegals. The point is that the punishment for doing so should hurt far more than it does now, and should be strictly enforced.
Hiring illegals is being punished. I saw it in Wyoming and Colorado and now see it in Arizona. It doesn’t make national news unless LE catches someone like Robert Kraft. It is small businesses, not just farms, that are hiring illegals and investigating them takes time. Redding doesn’t see it because there are no illegals there. But something I never see on here is does your House Rep, a rice farmer, employ illegals? I would think Redding would be more concerned about that then what is happening in Arizona.
I find it interesting that nobody addressed my original question…who supports health benefits for illegal immigrants. Who supports $200 million a year for putting illegals on Medi-Cal?
I am and it’s not all undocumented people. 19-25 year olds.
Larry, and those over 64…and of course in a few years, they will add those 26-63, because that is what California does. I assume our taxes will once again be increased to pay for this. You don’t think that these added benefits will encourage even more illegals to come to Ca?
Doug, as you suggested might happen and is doubtful is that migrants in Arizona will head to California for free health care, why would they flee to a state where the cost of living is so expensive they would be in worst straits than in Arizona.
You should worry more about the funding for that $200 million which will be taken in taxes on uninsured Californians prompting more middle class workers, and their jobs to move to Arizona or Texas.
Of course I am worried about the funding, however, it won’t just be those uninsured Californians paying for it…it will be all of us. I am begging my wife to move out of state, but she just doesn’t want to.
I support healthcare for all people even those you choose to label “illegal”.
I *did* address it, Doug, but I’ll do it again. Once people are on our soil—regardless of how they got here—it’s immoral to let them suffer and die for lack of medical insurance. If you think that’s okay, say so.
There is a new drink called Russian Collusion, you are given an empty glass and you imagine there is something in it.
Plagiarized from my son-in-law’s, an Army veteran, Facebook page.
A new laxative called “Obstruction,” specifically for Team Trump. It helps them speak more fluidly and fluently.
Trump 2020 kicks off in Orlando and supporters and protesters are coming from all over. Trump will be reelected because the Democrats are in eat their own mode.
I am starting off the write in 2020 campaign now. My write in candidate will be Deb Segelitz and the campaign slogan will be, drum roll, “Deb Dumps Drumpft”.
Fascists love pageantry. If Trump started staging mass executions of “traitors” during his rallies, he’d fill football stadiums.
Bruce, I’m already seeing Biden nose diving. No way he is the nominee. I predict Warren will be the choice. And I don’t see any way for her to beat Trump. I actually could make an argument for me voting for Biden. He would be a one term president. Not much more than a seat filler for 4 years. He wouldn’t do much to get the country in trouble and may help with the deep divide in politics. In addition, we have to, as a country get away from the level of importance we attach to the president. There is a reason Congress is described in Article 1 of our Constitution and the president is in Article 2.
Doug, the Democrats are in eat their own mold and unless they come up with an unifying candidate quick Trump will coast to reelection. I am more concerned about local elections here in Arizona, especially on who will run for Senator McCain’s vacant seat now occupied by Martha McSally, who was appointed not elected.
Unfortunately your district politicians are almost elected for life and are always Republicans, and not always the best ones.
The Trump administration argued in front of the Ninth Circuit Court on Tuesday that it shouldn’t have to to provide soap or toothbrushes to children detained at the U.S.-Mexico border, and can continue to have them sleep on concrete floors in cold, overcrowded cells. Their rationale is that the harsh conditions will dissuade other refugees from bringing kids. And yeah, that “make it suck” strategy includes the inhuman and unnecessary practice of separating kids from their parents.
Oh, and the latest is that right-wing politicians and Fox News talking heads are getting all pissy and scoldy about calling them “concentration camps.” Guess who’s among those calling them concentration camps? People who have spent time in concentration camps.
I am 100% against illegal immigration—I think we’re plenty crowded as is. But I used to think we were better than this.
The head of immigration is begging Congress to provide emergency funding so they can care for the situation that is at the breaking point. Pelosi refuses. Don’t blame Trump. Blame Congress
This must be more current news than what you’re posting.
“The top Democrat on the House Homeland Security Appropriations Subcommittee, California Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard, said she’s working with GOP counterparts on the House’s own version, which the chamber could take up Tuesday or Wednesday of next week, likely before the Senate acts.”
Pelosi isn’t even mentioned in this article
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