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  1. Happy June, everyone. It’s a new month, a clean slate and new opportunities to express ourselves. I appreciate you and your civilized, respectful conversations so much. I’m glad you’re here, and I can only wonder what June will bring us all.
    Hang onto your hats!

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      I always look forward to the monthly purge. Especially so after *this* past month. It’s like waking up to a fresh blanket of pure white snow, before anyone has had a chance to pee their name onto the tabula rasa.

  2. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    Doni, 18 days and counting to see how many new COVI cases will come from all these protests.

  3. Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

    Trump wants to use the Insurrection Act. Okay…. Is now the time to be worried? After kicking around postponing the Nov 2020 election, “I’m not sure I can commit one way or the other, but right now that’s the plan…” Jared Kushner, Senior White House Adviser to Clorox, Trump is in full battle mode. After calling his buddy Russian President Vladimir Putin for advise, he got on the phone to our governors and shocked the hell out of them. Thank GOD the call was recorded!

    “You have to dominate, if you don’t dominate you’re wasting your time. They’re going to run over you, you’re going to look like a bunch of jerks. You have to dominate! You’ve got to arrest people, you have to track people, you have to put them in jail for 10 years and you’ll never see this stuff again. You know when other country’s watch this, (RUSSIA) they’re watching this, the next day wow, they’re really a push over. And we can’t be a push over. And we have all the resources—it’s not like we don’t have the resources. So, I don’t know what you’re doing. It’s a movement, if you don’t put it down it will get worse and worse…. The only time its successful is when you’re weak and most of you are weak!”

    And now Clorox is kicking around the Insurrection Act, last invoked in 1992 to “quell the Los Angeles riots after the acquittal of four white police officers in the beating of Rodney King…” Times don’t seem to change much but now some white peace officers are just taking tRump to heart, becoming the cop, judge and jury, and just executing on the spot. The act gives Clorox the power to deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem.”

    It’s interesting that many of the comoed up, AK-47 white terrorist organizations that suport and make up much of the Clorox base, also complain that the “Deep State” is planing a war on the American people. Clearly, tRump, and his tRumplublican supporters (not all Republicans) are the “Deep State…” One of these para military organizations here in Redding proclaim they are “showing force” this evening at the anti racism march, to ensure Redding is kept safe. Gee, I thought that’s what the Redding Police Department was for.

    So… Is this it? Is tRump, his personal attorney Bill Barr, his administration and his minority of Deep State supporters going to be the end of the majorities Democracy as we knew it?

    For more info on the Putin – Trump plan see

    • Avatar Gary Tull says:

      A compelling letter to those who may not be up to speed with what the Trump administration is trying to pull — that is, characterize all legal police brutality protesters as terrorists. Terrorist that immediately need to be dealt with by armed domination.

    • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

      What is the paramilitary organization that plans to—I would guess—cause trouble at tonight’s protest?

  4. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    How long is the list of current national crises?

    Do they not all have a common cause and aggravating factor?

    While he is correct in his observation that trump is a zombie president, Reich neglects to mention there is no clear path for America to evict this walking corpse and put a competent replacement in the White House.

    In a fair and free election, the grossly unpopular trump would lose by tens of millions of votes, and in an electoral vote landslide victory, to Biden.

    Which is precisely why we should anticipate trump and his similarly brain-dead sycophants will make every effort to prevent that election from occurring.

    “Fire, pestilence and a country at war with itself: the Trump presidency is over

    Robert Reich

    You’d be forgiven if you hadn’t noticed. His verbal bombshells are louder than ever, but Donald J Trump is no longer president of the United States.

    By having no constructive response to any of the monumental crises now convulsing America, Trump has abdicated his office.

    He is not governing. He’s golfing, watching cable TV and tweeting…

    And he lies incessantly.

    In reality, Donald Trump doesn’t run the government of the United States. He doesn’t manage anything. He doesn’t organize anyone. He doesn’t administer or oversee or supervise. He doesn’t read memos. He hates meetings. He has no patience for briefings. His White House is in perpetual chaos.

    His advisers aren’t truth-tellers. They’re toadies, lackeys, sycophants and relatives.

    Since moving into the Oval Office in January 2017, Trump hasn’t shown an ounce of interest in governing. He obsesses only about himself.

    But it has taken the present set of crises to reveal the depths of his self-absorbed abdication – his utter contempt for his job, his total repudiation of his office.

    Trump’s nonfeasance goes far beyond an absence of leadership or inattention to traditional norms and roles. In a time of national trauma, he has relinquished the core duties and responsibilities of the presidency.

    He is no longer president. The sooner we stop treating him as if he were, the better.

    Ed Marek May 30, 2020 at 8:39 pm

    From superpower to failed state, in less than one presidential term.

    And trump is still allowed the opportunity to make things much, much, worse.

    Will any trump-induced-national-disaster be sufficiently catastrophic to get Senators to finally honor their oaths, and remove trump from office?  

  5. Avatar Larry Winter says:

    “Light em up” sure has a different meaning than this here in Hyampom.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      It reminds me of the Swat Team scene from the end of “Blues Brothers.”

      Hut hut hut hut hut hut hut hut hut hut….

      What struck me most when I first saw this video posted by Larry was the end, where it’s revealed that the naive people who got “lit up” are white. The black neighbors are probably watching through their windows thinking, “Wait, WHAT?! They shoot white people with paint balls?”

  6. Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

    Today, as it has been for the past 3 1/2 years, the most important and dangerous issue facing America is trump.
    More important than rioting, more important than looting, dare I say more important than COVID 19.
    This ugly stain called trump must be erased.

  7. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    Horrifying details below of the violent attack on PEACEFUL protestors near the White House, so Trump could have a photo-op in front of a nearby church, waiving a bible.

    National Guard troops relentlessly fired tear gas and rubber bullets into a crowd of protestors, who were apparently doing nothing more agressive than singing and playing music. They ran for their lives – many vomiting, coughing, and crying. Those who couldn’t escape this sudden assault fast enough were knocked to the ground with metal sheilds.

    Trump is now bragging that he used “overwhelming force” to brutalize a group of American citizens exercizing their Constitutional right to PEACEFULLY protest, and is yet another example of fascism under Trump. Voting for this deranged monster should be a crime.

    • Avatar Ed Marek says:

      The entire Free World is watching in horror as America’s collapses into fascism.

      Anyone else hear the commentator from Liberia on DW (German) news last night on PBS refer to the USA as a “failed state”?

      Another take on fearless leader’s latest antics:

      “‘Words of a dictator’: Trump’s threat to deploy military raises spectre of fascism

      “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross,” goes an oft-quoted line of uncertain origin.

      On Monday evening, Donald Trump, with four US flags behind him, threatened to send in the military against the American people, then crossed the road to pose for a photo outside a historic church while clutching a Bible.

      He was only able to get there after heavily armed police and horse-mounted national guardsmen fired teargas and rubber bullets to chase away peaceful protesters and journalists…”

    • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

      Trump is a fake Christian. Among the peaceful protestors attacked with tear gas and rubber bullets were clergy on the patio of St. John’s, The order to clear the peaceful protestors was given by Bill Barr, another fake Christian and a true fascist.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        Wow…it was just a week ago that a young lady with a bullhorn was vilified on these pages and called insulting names for protesting. What a difference a week makes.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Another ridiculous false equivalency, courtesy of Doug.

          Nobody spoke against Crazy Bullhorn Lady’s right to protest. She can present her protests to City Council in accordance with currently allowed avenues—she doesn’t get to unilaterally decide what those avenues are, based on her unilateral decisions about how valid the council’s COVID-19 precautions are. She can also take her bullhorn and hoot and holler and vent her spleen at passing traffic out in front of City Hall all day long.

          She has no right, by acting like a gold-plated rectal orifice, to keep the City Council from conducting its business according to its procedures. There are other limits on her “free speech” as well. For example, she can’t go to a city council member’s house, kick on their door, and issue spittle-flecked insults and threats—regardless of her level of “passion” (read: delusions of grandeur, boorishness, and stupidity).

        • Avatar Larry Winter says:

          My Gawd Doug, you do see the comment you’re responding to mentions rubber bullets being fired as well as tear gas being used. But hey, why not defend Trump’s fascist actions by bringing up bullhorn lady interrupting a board meeting that gave her an opportunity to have her 250 word protest read aloud or submitted.

          And yes, you are defending Trump’s actions with this whataboutism that you are so prone to fall back onto when you can’t respond directly.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            The comment mentioning the use of rubber bullets and tear gas is not true, according to the Park Police that broke up the demonstration, enforcing a 7:00 curfew. “…tear gas was never used — instead smoke cannisters were deployed, which don’t have an uncomfortable irritant in them”

            You also leave out, Larry…that the historic St John’s Church that has been standing since the early 1800’s, was set on fire by protesters the night before….was that a peaceful protest? I doubt it.

            One thing we have to be cognizant of, and we got this from the Mueller report, is that the Russians love this turmoil and will do everything possible to exacerbate racial discord in the US. That is one of their main goals. The Mueller report showed how Russian deliberately inflamed racial tensions by spreading false stories and stoking unrest and violence. All I am saying is be very very careful of what you read or believe. Don’t fall victim to Russian efforts to exploit racial tensions.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Doug Cook,

            That tear gas and rubber bullets were used (without warning) on participants of an ENTIRELY PEACEFUL gathering in a park near the White House is absolutely true. Ask the group of ministers and other respectable citizens who were brutalized with these weapons.

            This outrageous assault by Trump on Americans exercising their Constitutional right to peacefully protest is unconscionable. It’s also fascist. Of course if this had been a group of Nazis and other white supremacists armed to the teeth and waving their confederate flags, he’d be calling them “very fine people” and treating them with kid gloves (as always).


          • Avatar Larry Winter says:

            Doug, I agree with you on being careful about what you read. I’ve seen a friend in the Bay Area posting an Antifa_USA threatening moving their violence to the suburbs. It was fake put out by white supremacists. My neighbor keeps putting out youtube links showing the coronavirus isn’t real and that George Floyd didn’t get killed. It’s all a hoax to bring on the New World Order.

            Here’s a timeline from a reporter that was in the Park when they were attacked by Park Police. Not Russian. It started around 6:35 when the curfew started at 7pm. Tear gas by another name still has the same results, according to the evidence provided.

            This news reporter isn’t Russian, Doug Cookinsky.

          • Avatar Larry Winter says:

            Here’s Rev. Gini Gerbasi who was at the Church when they were attacked before the curfew came into affect. From the article linked above.


          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Seriously Larry? This is what you are focusing on while rioting looting and violence is going on? Not one of you mentioned or showed any empathy for the people getting the crap beaten out of them and killed. Let’s focus on Trump…let’s blame Trump. Let me guess, none of you looked at the death of the black man named David Dorn that was killed by protesters, did you? No…instead you want to put all your energy towards Trump. What a waste of time. Over 30 comments on here, and not one (except me) condemning the violence.

            You accuse me of whataboutism…but it is a valid to question why you all didn’t hold President Obama accountable for the racial tension that occurred under his term. Gallup, Pew and every other polling company showed that race relations deteriorated in his 8 years..but I guess because he read speeches well, and he was on your team, well…we’ll overlook his lack of action.
            The obsession with Trump in midst of this violent protests is just Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Maybe that’s the difference between you and me. I can recognize and be skeptical of fake stories and Russian trolling from both left and right contributors. You all will believe every left wing source. All I am saying is be careful what you read and believe…from the left and right. Russia right now is watching these events with glee, and they are fanning the flames.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug sez: “You accuse me of whataboutism…but it is a valid to question why you all didn’t hold President Obama accountable for the racial tension that occurred under his term?”

            No. It’s not a valid question at all. It’s another idiotic false equivalency. Obama wasn’t an overt, daily promoter of blatant racism. And every time he pointed out that equality for minorities hadn’t been achieved in this country yet, that *wasn’t* an example of him being just as big a racist, divisive, destructive pig as Orange Mussolini.

            Famously, Obama offered an opinion on the arrest of a black Harvard professor who, upon returning from a research trip to China, was arrested by Cambridge PD while trying to gain entrance to his own home after someone called 911. His front door was jammed shut, so he, with the help of his driver, was trying to pry it open.

            You can read about the incident and how Obama reacted to it here:

            Later, Obama (and Biden) later discussed the incident with the professor and the arresting cop over beers on the patio of the White House—the “Beer Summit.” Obama was described as “Solominic” in the summit, striving to make sure the two participants in the arrest understood the other’s perspective. The arresting officer and the professor have gotten along great in every encounter since the summit.

            Can anyone imagine Der Pumpkinführer handling a situation like that with the intention of diffusing the situation, let alone bringing people together? Not only no, but fuck no. He’d pour gasoline on whatever little ember of white resentment he could sniff.

        • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

          Are you saying the right wing nuts using a bullhorn in Redding were terrorist?
          We finally agree on something.

  8. Avatar Candace says:

    Trump’s sanctioned attack on terrorizing peaceful protestors as his “parting of the seas” in order to have his bible photo op in front of a church is beyond repulsive. He should have been arrested for what he did. Not only was he not arrested, he was protected by LE and then televised in all his hate-mongering glory. That’s the point. The only thing that should be being lit up right now are politicians phones. There is no lack of ideas for solutions; there is lack of political will. Black Lives Matter. Black lives matter. Black lives matter.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      I agree with you Candace that there is no political will to fix this. The sad fact is, that after this blows over, Al Sharpton will return to his nice home in NJ. Floyd will be forgotten about, the underlying problems won’t be looked at, the plight of black on black murders will be ignored, educating our black youths will be ignored, weeding out bad cops will be ignored…business as usual.

      I also agree with what Obama said over the weekend that “…the elected officials who matter most in reforming police departments and the criminal justice system work at the state and local levels.” This isn’t about Trump…it is about holding your own police Dept and local politicians accountable. It is being an informed voter and making sure you have the right representative working for you.

      • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

        Of course it’s political and about tRump, on down, and their racist agenda! Vote the tRumpian racist white nationalists out! Especially Clorox himself!

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        So, Obama set the tone as leader of the country and was a divider. Top-down, man.

        But not Trump. He’s off the hook. It’s a local issue.

        Lastly, the sky resembles a nice blanket of green and purple tartan plaid today. We can all agree on that, too.

        Got it? Good.

  9. Avatar Candace says:

    Doug, this is about long-standing oppression and sanctioned police brutality against people of color. Trump facilitated violence against peaceful protesters in order to pander to his racist (yes, racist) religious base with his disgusting bible op stunt. Of course Trump’s part of the problem; he’s the president and he’s a criminal.

  10. Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

    We just went to Trader Joe’s to do some last-minute shopping before heading home tomorrow, and the all businesses in that complex were all being boarded up in anticipation of the protest in the Kohl’s parking lot. Fingers crossed that it’s a peaceful demonstration with no outside agitators.

  11. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    “…sanctioned police brutality against people of color.”

    Sanctioned? The officer that committed this act of brutality has been charged with murder…how is that sanctioned?

    • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

      Doug, How about sanctioned violence against the American people so he could have his picture taken? American people of all races and ages, including clergy. There are tanks on the streets of Washington and the 82nd Airborne is standing by. Do you really think it is ok to attack people exercising their right to peaceably assemble and to petition the government for redress so the phony Christian can have his picture taken with a Bible? If so, I am shocked your lack of respect for American ideals, but I guess I shouldn’t be.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        “…There are tanks on the streets of Washington and the 82nd Airborne is standing by.”

        There are rioters and looters out there attacking innocent people, Google David Dorn, a black retired police captain that was shot and killed by protesters. Protesters are burning down cities. Do we protest systemic racism by stealing TV’s out of a looted Target?

        Have you bothered to watch the violence going on on our city streets? The attacks on innocents? Are these attacks justified? Did you read about the leftist radical lawyers handing out Maltov cocktails to protesters? I’m sure you haven’t
        So yes, Kathryn…the National Guard should be sent out to maintain peace…lord knows the local officials are doing nothing to quell the violence.

        And do not conflate the two incidents, protesters were starting fires at the historic 200 year old St Johns Church earlier. So yes…there was tear gas used to break up the rioting, vandalism and looting. Much different from the incident across from the White House, where according to the Park Police, tear gas and rubber bullets were not used. They were enforcing the curfew set by the mayor of D.C. The Park Police also said that they knew nothing of the presidents trip to the church at the time.

        Let’s talk about American Ideals…it is not an American Ideal to loot, riot, kill and maim innocent civilians. You should be as outraged over that as we all are with the murder of Mr. Floyd. Again, look up David Dorn, a black retired police captain, murdered by looters at a pawnshop, left to die on the sidewalk while protesters Facebook’ed Live him dying. Is that the American Ideal, Kathryn?

        Is that peaceably assembling, Kathryn? Is that respecting George Floyds life? Mr Floyd has been all but forgotten, hasn’t he? I do in fact have respect for the American Ideal…the ideal that a bad cop can be arrested and charged for murder for a heinous act, the American Ideal that there is universal outrage in the country about this crime against Mr Floyd.

        I am all in favor of peaceable assembly, as we all should be. I am not however in favor of the violence, looting and rioting. Is Captain Dorn’s life any less important than Mr Floyds? I guess I am shocked by your lack of concern over the wanton violence on our city streets.

    • Avatar Candace says:

      Doug, I could match your videos frame to frame with police committing unprovoked attacks on peaceful protestors; it all depends on where you look and what you’re looking for. Back to your original point regarding Trump and only Trump, there were no rioters or looters in the crowd he gave the thumbs up to assault in order to have his “bible as prop” photo op. They were peacefully assembled. You said “this” is not Trump’s fault as if no blame should be attached to him. He’s the president of the US and rather than choosing to lead with compassion he stands with his accomplices in a circle-jerk of hate and power-crazed madness. He’s a racist. He’s a fascist. He’s a snake. He’s a criminal. Vote him out.

  12. Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

    It’s so important that we speak out. This is a wake-up for many “middle of the road” Republican Americans, some not fully aware of the long history of racism and oppression of people of color, or in some case, in flat out dumb denial of any racism in this nation, in order to try and silence the truth and protect tRump’s completely tarnished and failed presidency, like our friend Doug.

    I really do thank Doug; his, in my opinion, twisted logic, gives us lots of opportunity to educate. He’s an educational example.

    “It remains a shocking failure that many African Americans, especially young African American men, are harassed and threatened in their own country. It is a strength when protesters, protected by responsible law enforcement, march for a better future…This tragedy — in a long series of similar tragedies — raises a long overdue question: How do we end systemic racism in our society? The only way to see ourselves in a true light is to listen to the voices of so many who are hurting and grieving.

    Those who set out to silence those voices do not understand the meaning of America — or how it becomes a better place.”

    Hey Doug, that was a quote today, from that far left radical, G.W. Bush…

  13. Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

    Doug, do you think the priest at St. John’s lied when she said tear gas was used?

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Once again, you are conflating the two different locations. I never denied that tear gas was used at the church. What the priest should be doing is thanking the officers and fire fighters for saving her church.

      • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

        Doug, you are wrong on more than one point. The priest who was tear gassed at St. John’s is from another St. John’s Episcopal in Washington, DC. She was at the St. John’s across from the White House to help in the post-fire cleanup. She was in front of that church when she was gassed along with peaceful protestors in the same location. I’m sure the priest of the St. John’s that had the fire thanked the firefighters.

  14. Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

    Today trumps encouraging the use of bayonets by his troops.

    In the army there is gross training regiment to go through.
    For bayonet training. Even issuing a medal similar to marksmanship.
    The spirit of the bayonet is to “kill”

    Trump wants our troops to engage in this is over the top.
    Troops, lay down your arms. RESIT this fascism.

  15. Avatar Candace says:

    Dear “if it fits”, unless one is wishing to emulate our current president, continually using deflection as a diversion tactic to try and shame others when one is challenged on facts in direct correlation to previous comments is never a good look; it’s neither honest nor intelligent debate.

  16. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    To change the subject, kinda.
    In Longmire if a Native American had a problem they would leave a message in a bottle wedged in a special rock where Hector would find it and “cure” the problem. We need a Hector.

  17. Avatar Marie says:

    Hi all, I’m a new subscriber and commenter, but have long appreciated the work done here!
    I am interested in knowing if anyone has any recommendations of local organizations NOT created or run by Bethel that are providing useful aide or assistance at this time that we can donate to? I know that there are plenty of national organizations and have given as able, but I’d be interested in donating money or resources locally if possible. I’ll keep doing my research, but could use some recommendations if anyone has any ideas. Thank you!

  18. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    Fox news here in Phoenix highlighted Black Out Tuesday where residents are urged to dine out at Black owned Businesses. West Valley BBQ in Chandler was so busy they sold out of food. One small way Anews could help by highlighting Black owned businesses in Redding.
    As a side note all the Apple phones looted from the Phoenix Scottsdale Mall store are encrypted and LE is tracking them down.

  19. Avatar Candace says:

    Bruce, I think the promoting of the frequenting of black-owned businesses a great way to show support. Small ways of support add up and aren’t considered small by the business owners of these establishments.

  20. Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

    Doug Cook, I wonder what you think about General Mattis’ statement today?

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Kathryn, I do not support the president’s use of the military to help with the riots. That is what the National Guard is for. The National guard is controlled by the governor and should be the units to help maintain peace. So yes, I agree with what Mattis said. As a member of the military for many years, I was quite dismayed at the president’s actions.

      As far as his comments on uniting Americans, I partially agree with him. The division of the country started way before Trump decided to run. To me, the division started after the Bush/Gore election debacle, it heightened under Obama and took off after Trump was elected. I don’t blame it entirely on Trump, although he for sure has exasperated the problem. It is the relentless Trump haters that obsess about every little thing he does that has caused the most damage.

      I’m sure Mattis is writing a book and wants to get his name out..ok. As it happened with Comey… when Obama fired Mattis…the General was a bad actor, now that Trump fired him, he is the new hero.

      But to answer your question…yes, I agree with a lot of what the General said, not everything though.

  21. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    Candace, Black Out Tuesday is a national movement to high light Black owned businesses. A small step and the only complaints I have found are saying it is not enough.
    Every journey begins with the first step, a centuries old muse many have forgotten. I intend to spread the word.

  22. Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

    I can’t help but feel that former Minneapolis officer Tou Thao has become somewhat of a sacrificial lamb in the criminal charges following the death of George Floyd. There might be information out there to sway my opinion that hasn’t yet come to light, but Thao appeared to be mainly occupied with crowd control, and it strikes me as unfair that he should face the same criminal charges as the two officers who helped Derek Chauvin pin George Floyd to the ground.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      I hope you are not saying that just because Officer Thao is not white. I looked at the video again, Officer Thao was standing 3 feet or so away from Mr Floyd as he was crying out he couldn’t breathe. Thao just stood there and watched, never once did I see him trying to intervene. And remember, Floyd was already handcuffed and was not a threat., there was no reason to for the officers to continue to detain him like that. I didn’t see any sort of crowd control at the time. Look at the video, Thao was doing nothing but watching and for that he deserves to be charged.

      • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

        Doug, I’m not arguing that Thao is blameless. Not at all. It just strikes me that to charge him with the same offenses as the two officers who actually helped Derek pin George Floyd to the ground might be more about retribution than justice.

        Could I be wrong? Sure. There might be information out there to change my mind, and I hope the body cam footage is released soon.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          From what I saw Thao is like a guy standing watch during a gang rape. Is he a *little* less guilty? Not less enough for me to think of him as a sacrificial lamb.

          • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

            Steve, I don’t think that’s a fair analogy. (Or should I say simile? Hell, I don’t know.) I think Thao is more like the bouncer watching the door who fails to investigate the commotion going on in another room.

            Another way to look at it: should the officers who actually helped Chauvin hold George Floyd to the ground, and were actually touching him as he descended into unconsciousness, be held to the same level of culpability as Thao, who was preoccupied with the crowd?

          • Avatar Candace says:

            I agree. Thao watched a murder being committed and did nothing to stop it.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Hal…another bit of news I just learned, the other 2 officers were rookies just days into their jobs. Remembering what it was like being a young 2nd Lt in the Air Force, you don’t usually challenge a senior member. There were a number of times I wanted to question my Aircraft Commanders decision, but kept my mouth shut. That just might be in their favor going forward with charges.

          • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

            Doug, I just learned that last night as well. I’ve been in the same position as you mention as a new pilot in the Army, and I don’t think folks who’ve never been in a military chain of command structure can truly identify with just how hard it can be to buck those who outrank you.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            If I were on a jury, that would weigh heavily. On the other hand, Ethan Hawke didn’t put up with that $#!+ in “Training Day.” And his CO was Denzel Washington—I’d probably jump off a cliff if Denzel told me to.

          • Avatar Ed Marek says:

            This is just one of the reasons America almost never uses its military for law enforcement, the only exception being in cases of armed “rebellion”.

            Completely different responsibilities, completely different training, means this is not a valid comparison at all.

          • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

            Steve, I thought about “Training Day” after learning that two of the officers were rookies. It’s reported that one of the rookie officers, Thomas Lane, asked 19-year veteran Derek Chauvin several times if they should turn George Floyd over. Obviously, Chauvin disregarded Lane’s concern.

            Maybe Lane wishes that he’d shot Chauvin in the ass, like Hawke’s character in “Training Day.”

            If he had, chances are that George Floyd would be alive today. There is also a good chance that rookie officer Thomas Lane would be dead.

          • Avatar Malcolm G says:

            The aviation industry faced this cultutal problem 20 years ago when Korean copilots were staying polite and deferential as egotistical pilots flew airliners into hillsides.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            As a long time pilot, Malcom…I have read a lot about the Korean flight crew culture. Korean pilots are obliged to be deferential toward your senior pilot and superiors in a way that would be unimaginable in the U.S. But we are all somewhat guilty of doing that.

            When I was a young copilot, I had a aircraft commander that was just horrible. He had this habit on take off of shoving the four throttles all the way forward and it was my job to pull them back out of the red zones to the proper settings. I never questioned his procedure, even though I knew it was wrong. It eventually caused an engine failure on a jet we were assigned to for an extended overseas trip…could have killed us.

          • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

            My employer of 34 years, PHI, was a pioneer in focusing on crew resource management–which the Korean crews desperately needed. Flights in the simulator would be videotaped, and during the debriefing, the captain and first officer would talk about how they interacted with each other.

            My first experience with the crew resource management debriefings was with another captain. PHI tried to pair captains and first officers during annual training, but it didn’t always work out. In this case, we were both captains, but I acted as the F.O. since the other guy was senior to me.

            I thought the other guy was a good captain. I really did. He was kind of blunt and gruff, but overall, I thought he performed well.

            The instructor cued up the video and showed us the takeoff, climbout, and our first simulated emergency. He then paused the video.

            “Comments?” asked the instructor.

            My flying partner blurted out, “OH MY GOD I’M AN ASSHOLE!”

            The instructor and I fell to pieces. I laughed so long and hard that I needed oxygen. Or a beer.

      • Avatar Jimmy Wilson says:

        Doug Cook. I agree with you 100%. He listened to the “crowd” pleading for that man’s life. He responds with, “Don’t do drugs”. Pathetic.

  23. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    So I’m watching this video clip today…3 young women being chastised for cleaning graffiti off of a federal building by BLM members. “…Not a great way to use your white privilege, ladies”, she said. One example of why I despise the white privilege label.

  24. Joanne Snyder Joanne Snyder says:

    LOL…these young women, doing a good deed….I love graffiti but I understand why banks and other agencies want to keep clean facades….and some unknown woman (not BLM members) tries to confuse them with illogical argument techniques and uses the term “white privilege”…has nothinkg to do with what the term means. That happens with words. Who was that woman and I hope she is using her great voice for good and not bad.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      A couple of questions…first. why do you love graffiti? That seems rather odd to me. Do you mind if I come over to your house? I have a couple of political slogans and a can of spraypaint. Secondly, why do you think the annoying lady was not from the BLM?

      That is exactly what many think the term white privilege means. It means anything and everything a white person does.

  25. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    The one thing I wonder about all these protests everywhere with multi thousands marching shoulder to shoulder have they forgot all about COVI-19. As Arizona passes 1000 deaths are these protests trying to prove COVI is indeed a hoax?

  26. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    Hal — It’s a simi…anyway, the video I saw had him about 3-4 ft away, easily within sight and earshot of Floyd begging for his life. He might still have been distracted, as you say.

    If he’s been overcharged, I trust the criminal justice system of which he was a member will clear him of those charges.

  27. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    Interesting that we are almost a week into the June open comments session…and not one comment about Covid-19. Have we finally moved on? I was pleased to drive down Hilltop yesterday and saw that restaurants are opening up. I had lunch at Black Bear yesterday, and had breakfast this morning at Deja Vu, and I finally was able to get a haircut, masks mandatory by barber and patron At Black Bear, all the servers were wearing masks, none of the cook’s were though. At Deja Vu, it looked like all employees were masked. Didn’t concern me either way.

    I encourage everyone to get out there and support your local restaurants. The family and I will probably go out for dinner tonight, help them to survive…and leave a fat tip, the servers need them.

    • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

      You ain’t seen nuthin’: just wait until those asteroids get closer.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        Im more concerned about the murder hornets

        • Avatar Ed Marek says:

          Even you, Mr. cook, would probably notice if you had murder hornets in your pants.

          But just like a normal person, you will not know if the “fat tip” you give the person forced to serve you tonight is a fatal infection.

          • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

            “Even you, Mr. cook, would probably notice if you had murder hornets in your pants.”

            Aw Ed, did you have to write that? Now some guy is going the nickname his penis “The Murder Hornet.”

    • Avatar Jimmy Wilson says:

      Truckee had seven new cases in two days. I believe other counties are ticking up again as well. How’s it going in chilly Brazil?

  28. Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

    Okay, maybe I have a hidden desire to be disliked, but here goes.

    The 75 year-old man who was knocked–sort of knocked–to the ground by Buffalo police? He screwed up.

    C’mon. We know now that the tall, white gentleman is 75 years old, and that he was seriously hurt upon falling and hitting his head on the sidewalk, but he blocked the officer in front of him, and jabbed at the officer to his side. The officers were part of group of officers who were presumably repositioning to a position where they were needed for crowd control.

    One of the officers shoved him–with what I would term a moderate degree of force. He fell. He was injured. But, he got in the way of police officers who were tasked with crowd control. The two officers involved were suspended. Was that fair? I don’t know. I would have to see a longer, more detailed video of the incident to even hope to get a grasp of how much blame the officers deserve.

    But, I feel pretty certain about one thing: the tall, 75 year-old gentleman sure as heck isn’t blameless.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      I actually haven’t seen this video, so I’ll take your interpretation as fact. Do you know why I will never be pushed to the ground by police at a protest? Because I will never put myself into that position where I have the chance to get caught up in a confrontation with police. They are just too volatile. When I was working, I spent about 40% of my week in Portland. Walking to my favorite Thai restaurant ( Thai Peacock if you are ever in downtown Portland) I routinely came across the ever annoying Antifa punks. I always gave them wide berth, never confronted them and was always safe. So I kinda agree, if you want put yourself in a position where there could be confrontation with police or protesters…accept the consequences.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Hal — Over the course of my career, I had to deal with a handful of old men interfering directly with my ability to do my job. Old men can be belligerent and self-righteous as hell. I’ve had guns pointed at me twice in my career—one of those episodes involved one of these angry old men. In each testy encounter with these old guys (except the episode involving the gun), I could have ended the confrontation, at least temporarily, by knocking these old men on their asses and going on about my work. They were in my way, after all. I had important shit to do, on the clock, I was within my rights, and they were preventing me from doing that work. Instead, I spent time talking them down or otherwise minimizing the confrontation.

      To me, a big chunk of the problem is this attitude that we’ll all be okay if we just *obey* the police. Just comply meekly, and you’ll be fine. The problem, a lot of white Americans want to believe, is that minorities don’t do as they’re told.

      When I watched the video, my immediate reaction was: What the hell is that old guy thinking? What’s he trying to do? What an idiot.

      But bottom line: I don’t care. Shit-canning an elderly man who might be an obnoxious jerk or might have a touch of dementia is inexcusable. Those cops could have parted, run around him, and left him in their dust in seconds. Instead, they screamed at him and knocked him to the ground, because they think they’re entitled.

      We need sweeping police reform in this country. Conservative gun-humpers who hoard guns because we need to be ready to confront tyranny—but also think that anyone who doesn’t kowtow to power-tripping authoritarian cops deserves what they get—are dumber than dog shit.

      • Avatar Linda Cooper says:

        Interesting aspect about the age issue. If one were a teacher in a classroom, and shoved the student, one would be disciplined. I knew of a teacher who once tried to save a kid from falling when standing on a desk, and grabbed his shirt before he fell to save a fall. The shirt was torn, and hello grief from the parents. Over the torn shirt, not the fact that the kid was saved a fall. In the principal’s office, the teacher offered to pay for the shirt. And, seriously, the offer was accepted!

        Steve Towers writes, “those cops could have parted.” I readily agree. What’s really frightening to me, is that the police said they were following orders. One policeman attempted to check on the man who was on the ground. And he was obviously told to move on. And it does look like help was called in by the officer in charge.

        But really, the public relations would have been so improved, if the police had stopped walking and provided support on the spot.

        We are in deep stuff.

        • Avatar Miguel says:

          Video from a different angle (across the street) clearly shows a whole line of of police that DID stop (and remained stopped) out of obvious concern. (Everybody on the scene was alerted by the sickening sound of that man’s head hitting the pavement. Blood appearing almost immediately from his right ear to begin pooling on the pavement.) The police line on the steps pushed on by. (It would appear under orders? One officer attempts to stop and is “urged on” by what appears to be his commander.) The police line immediately to their right in the street came to a complete stop, with attention obviously fixed on a incident/situation they found disturbing and unsettling.

          Alternative video at this link:

          I agree with some previous postings here that I DON’T think there was a great deal of force, intent (or malice) involved here. And also agree that the older protester contributed in large part to the incident. Having said that .. it was almost immediately apparent to all involved that a VERY serious situation had just unfolded. And that situation was met with a disturbing lack of emotion and concern .. and an apparent complete focus on “mission” to the exclusion of all else, by too many people in uniform.

          I sympathize with LE on a great many levels (and, IMO, way to many “damned if you do, and damned if you don’t” situations). But once again, (as has become almost a looping track of late, to steal from others) .. this is just NOT a good look.

          It is NOT a war. It is NOT combat. And you are not taking ground from the enemy. (No matter what the Twitter-verse, FB, talk radio or your superiors are telling you)

          • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

            Miguel, I’ve seen the video from the other side of the street, and yeah, those guys jumped on the radio to get help to the guy.

            Still, you’re right: it was disturbing to see all of those guys walk by the prone, bleeding man without stopping to help. Not a good look, indeed.

      • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

        “Old men can be belligerent and self-righteous as hell.“

        There’s solid academic reasoning for this…
        We concluded a long time ago that Eric Berne was wrong in writing “I’m OK, You’re OK”
        The title most appropriately ascribing man’s attitude would have been more like:
        “I’m OK, the rest of ya’ll can go to hell”

      • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

        Steve, I don’t think characterizing the reaction of the officer who pushed the old guy as “shit-canning” is fair. To me, the officer used a moderate degree of force.

        That said, it could be that the officer recognized that the man was elderly and thought, “f*ck this old guy; he’s in my way.” Or, in the brief time he had to evaluate the potential threat the man presented, he may have simply failed to note that the man was elderly and perhaps had balance problems–to me, he didn’t have that bent-over, stooped appearance that we often associate with the elderly, and again, he’s a tall guy.

        The officer who shoved the man could have handled the situation better, yep, and I’ll acknowledge that LEOs sometimes–or often–skate when they’ve used excessive force. Should the officer who shoved the guy be held accountable? Yeah, probably. I just hope that he doesn’t get hammered, because it appears to me that he just wanted to shove the guy out of the way. If the man had maintained his balance and stayed on his feet, I doubt we would ever have heard of this incident.

        • Avatar Miguel says:

          Agree almost completely. There was little “intent” here. Maybe a soupcon of belligerent “get the hell out of my way” .. and I’m not sure that isn’t allowable under the circumstances. You’ve had repeated warnings to clear the area. Now you are in fact GOING to leave the area. I’m not sure how much “right” you have to impede the police in carrying out their orders.

          The whole problem here comes about AFTER the old guy gets tangled up in his own feet (that’s me by the way) falls and cracks his head open. To me .. the guy that gives the actual shove is probably less blameworthy, than the superior that is chivying everybody past the fallen body and toward their objective .. rather than doing the obviously human and humane thing in rendering immediate attention and aid. THAT guy is the person here showing an obvious lack of situational awareness (and command ability or temperament?) .. and deserves the bigger slap.

  29. Avatar Candace says:

    I watched that video; one officer immediately started to bend down to see if the elderly gentleman was ok and was swiftly checked and moved along by a fellow officer. After that not a single officer in the entire group broke formation or gave the gentleman laid out next to them on the sidewalk, head bleeding, so much as a glance. I fervently hope this “guilty cuz frequent protest flyer got in the way” doesn’t end up dying; that’s a helluva price to pay for “screwing up” while in the presence of police.

    • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

      Hal –

      This marks an interesting milestone in the US transition from international watchdog to international lapdog. Next thing you know, the Chinese will be sending along advice to the White House in defense of human rights, what toys are OK to colorize with lead paint, and the safety issues surrounding the safe mining of bat guano. In return, Trump can offer his homespun wisdom on the repercussions of a sovereign Taiwan, how to properly conduct an international trade war, and the many wonderful uses for Clorox. It’ll be just like Deja Vu all over again. It’ll be just like Casey’s still at bat in Mudville…except this time Jared Kushner will be next at bat with Ivanka Trump on deck. What a hoot!

  30. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    All this Hoorah in the world news has me thinking there may come a time when our Reality TV President may be looking for work. Hate to see anyone on unemployment, ya know? …and you can only watch so many reruns of “The Apprentice”. I figure he can always hit the lecture circuit, as there will be many constituents interested in his retelling of the numerous successes of the White House pandemic response, how he talked Gov Cuomo out of his fixation on ventilators, and the optimal amount of Lysol to add to an Oreo Blizzard to prevent community infection of COVI while dining on drive-thru at Dairy Queen.

    Warren Buffett owns DQ, don’t ya know? He’d make a great employer for The Donald, as he also owns WD-40, Clorox, and Lion’s Gate. With access to a full time production company, The Donald could bring Reality TV to previously unknown heights of inspiration with hits like “Naked & Afraid in a Pandemic”, “Behind Closed Doors: Me, Melania, and My Hydroxychloroquine”, and – best for last – “The Trumps Team up with the Kardashians: The Hunt for Bigfoot”
    Any other suggestions appreciated. Hate to see this poor guy in the breadlines.

    • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

      Oh, man. I’m crying here.

    • Avatar Candace says:

      Bill V,
      I’m thinking more along the lines of a poorly written sitcom; “Bunker Boi”.

      • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

        “Bunker Boi”

        Even as a small child, he would seek the consolation of the bunker when the other kids refused to let him play any “reindeer” games. It was a comfort zone Donald continued to seek into his first half dozen bankruptcies, his multitude of litigations with show girls, and his decision to put Jared Kushner in charge of the pandemic response. The bunker became his Sanctum Sanctorum, where his greatest strategic formulations came to fruition, his greatest political quests were launched, and where even Melania and the White House Glee Club couldn’t find him.

        Yeah…I can see that working out quite well…

  31. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    Regarding what I’ve posted about giving Sheriff Magrini the benefit of the doubt…

    Locals are circulating a Facebook meme posted by Magrini that contrasts an accomplished young black man, Jaron Holliday, who died in combat at 21 “defending his country.” (If he died in Iraq, that’s bullshit, but I quibble.)

    The meme contrasts him with Trayvon Martin, who is characterized in the meme as a drug user and thief who died at 17 “assaulting a neighborhood watch volunteer.” That’s an unarmed minor, shot to death by a neighborhood vigilante.

    Several people say they’ve scrolled through Magrini’s Facebook posts to verify the meme is there.

    The meme concludes with some snorting and sneering about how Obama and liberals are fools for being outraged over Martin’s death.

    Benefit of the doubt rescinded.

    • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

      I’ve seen that meme. There is also something to the effect that “Guess which one Obama says could be his son?”. Someone brought other heavily racists posts by Sheriff Magrini to my attention. In a more progressive – and less corrupt – area, posts like that could (rightfully) get him kicked out of office.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        I have seen many memes…most are based on fantasy and aren’t even close to the truth. Do you even have the slightest urge to verify the meme? Or just believe it without question?

        • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

          I’ve seen the racist meme that Steve referenced. I think Magrini should be fired.

          • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

            Be patient. Only sometimes does the Emperor realize he wears no clothes, and continues along that naked parade..The questionable behavior has been exposed, spotlighted, and publicized – and, in fact, aggressive and questionable police action across the board has been called out and targeted for constructive reform. It could have played much, much worse for all involved. If they think they haven’t been lucky till now, they simply haven’t been paying attention. I expect to see all the players straighten up and fly right, at least for the short term. Like Clint see: A man’s got to realize his limitations.
            No harm, no foul…this time.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            “….The questionable behavior has been exposed, spotlighted, and publicized”

            What exactly is the questionable behavior you speak of? Rumors and allegations that proved to be false? A stupid meme that nobody has proven is real? Is that is where we are in today’s world? You don’t like an elected official, so just make up crap to get rid of him? Amazing…

          • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

            “What exactly is the questionable behavior…?”
            Doug, I know you are seeking closure from this incident, but there are simply too many loose ends left unaddressed. I don’t care about the words that have been spun by the authorities, I care about the obvious poor police responses that really need to be considered, if only to the end that future repeats might be avoided:
            For one, at the protest attended by Annelise and Doni, there were multiple reports and ongoing dialogue from those in attendance who were intimidated and antagonized by other attendees – and perhaps even threatened by an overtly, aggressively driven vehicle. These people were victimized. The reports of kettling, herding, and preferential treatment of a subset of these herders (presumed to be militia) constitute several discriminatory civil rights violations, all of which should have been addressed on the spot, by police in attendance. By denying civil rights, the police in attendance (whichever organization) were either complacent or ignorant of the offenses, which would indicate they are incompetent – or, they were discriminatory and complicit to those transgressions. So, I ask you…
            Which do you prefer: complacently ignorant and incompetent, or complicit and selectively discriminatory?
            I don’t really want to hurt anyone’s feelings here, but it really appears as simple as these two choices to me. Which do you see? Is it really possible you don’t see any of this? Weapons reported on any site of aggressive public posturing constitutes at least the minimal fulfilling if a field investigation report and a physical check for the legality of the weapon carry. So, what do you see? Complacent, incompetent, or complicit?

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Doug Cook,

            A number of people have taken screen shots that document exactly where these memes and other posts come from. No one is making things up.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Patricia. Have you seen those screen shots or just taking their word for it?Because I haven’t seen such screen shots. Go ahead and link it…I’ll be here all day because I’m still waiting for your bombshell proof about RPD snipers

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Yes, I’ve seen them Doug – like so many other people – and they’re clearly genuine. However, even if I knew how to do screen shots (I don’t), I wouldn’t post it here.

            And why don’t you ask someone who was actually at the BLM protest? They aren’t hard to find. I’ve heard from plenty of them.

  32. Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

    My mistake. Sheriffs can’t be fired.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      What makes you think it is real? I scanned through a lot of posts on his FB page, and haven”t seen a post that comes close to what the meme says. Generally these type of memes are made up. Wouldn’t you be in favor of corroborating the comment before you jump on getting rid of the man?

      • Avatar Candace says:

        Doug, I just saw for myself the Obama/stupid liberal/Trayvon Martin joke/meme post and it’s right there on Magrini’s FB pg just as people are saying it is. I just looked at it and took a screenshot. Personally, I’m not surprised in the least. I don’t know why his post comes as a surprise to anybody. His FB page is very much “God, Guts and Guns” mixed with wholesome family and friends pics and complete with all the usual suspects; Baugh, Baugh’s church. past sheriffs, local business owners claiming Trump is being steered by God and so on and so forth. Nothing new there. Actually, the “joke” itself is along the same lines as your thinking when it comes to liberals and how they treat minorities. The actual meme itself is racist as hell. If the meme was “fake” as you say and someone posted it to his page he could have deleted it; he didn’t.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          I’ll admit that Doug made me feel a tad guilty that I hadn’t looked myself, as the charge is serious enough to have warranted confirmation. So yeah, I confirmed it myself last night. It takes quite a bit of scrolling to get back to 2013—our Sheriff is an active Facebooker—but there it is. July 19, 2013.

          I have serious doubts that a guy who thinks a meme that incredibly toxic is appropriate should be in charge of anything. But I harbor no illusions—many of us should envy his level of job security.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Candace, I took the time to scroll through his FB account and saw the meme. The post was a poke at liberals . Was it wise to post the meme?..probably not. Does it indict the Sheriff as being a racist? Nope…while you were scrolling through his page of the past 7 years since that meme…did you find any post that could be construed as racist? Other than the belief by most progressives that if you are a white conservative, you are a rascist. Of course…in the past 3 weeks it has changed to if you are white, you are a racist. But I digress. No…I didn’t see any either. Do you want to get rid of the Sheriff over a 7 year old meme created by someone else?
          The fake outrage by the left is truly amazing

          It wasn’t long ago that a dozen people in a Sup lobby got you all outraged, why? Because it was a conservative group protesting. Oh the horror..or they didn’t have masks. Now there are millions on the streets protesting. But I guess that is acceptable. Why? We can’t go to church, but we can crowd out into the streets?
          The other day I mentioned on here that I was enjoying going out to lunch again…and I got the goofy comment asking if I was happy that I was giving the server a death sentence.
          Doesn’t it wear you out to have to be continually outraged over everything. Geez…life is too short.

          • Avatar Damon Miller says:

            Doesn’t it wear you out to have to be continually moving goalposts?

          • Avatar Lera Billi says:

            Speaking of moving goal posts, I am amazed that meme is being called “racist.” Racially charged maybe, but racist? Get real…

            Digging up online humor from 7 years ago as proof of current malevolence is pretty petty. That’s more time than spent in junior high & high school. If a current suspect had commited one crime 7 years ago you certainly wouldn’t call him a career criminal. 7 years ago a majority of Californians were trying to keep gays from getting married. Sheesh!

          • Avatar Damon Miller says:

            Wow, seven whole years ago! That would have made Mister Magrini the age of roughly 38 and a lieutenant with the sheriff’s department. Clearly a callow youth who just didn’t know better. After all, boys with be boys, and it was just locker room talk, etc., etc.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            The meme isn’t just racist. It celebrated the death of a 17-year-old unarmed boy at the hands of a vigilante who has proved to be a gold-plated asshole several times over since the killing. It suggests that President Obama was wrong to express empathy toward the kid’s family. It suggests that liberals are stupid for valuing a random kid’s snuffed-out life when there are better young men out there who are also gone. If that meme isn’t downright evil, it’ll do until the evil shows up.

            If that’s how our Sheriff thinks—and he must think that way given that nobody forced him to repost the meme—then the words of my grandpa, “He can go straight to hell.”

  33. Avatar Kathryn.McDonald says:

    Go back to 2013. Steve reposted Magrini’s post and it looks real.

  34. Avatar Candace says:

    I could say that I was surprised at what I saw while scrolling through Magrini’s FB page to see the (most) offensive post but I wasn’t because I’d need to have been residing in a bubble for the last 60+ years in order to say that. His page simply reflects the prevailing thinking of the many (and there are many) staunch Trump supporters currently living in Shasta County. That’s the reality of living here. I think I could safely describe their response to any criticisms I may have as “We hear you and we don’t like what we’re hearing so be quiet and go away. God bless.”
    For lack of a better term, I’ll use the inane phrase “It is what it is”. My advice? Enjoy the outdoors. Lead by example. Don’t be a racist pos. Wear a mask. Vote Trump & Co. out.

  35. Avatar Candace says:

    Doug, seems to me the one who is continually spouting fake outrage here is not I. First you accuse others of sharing what was “probably a fake meme” implying that the offense was in the attaching of a fake racist post to Magrini without proof. When you did look for yourself, instead of admitting you were wrong about its existence and overt racism you excuse it away as “maybe unwise” and accuse the same people who brought it to your attention as being
    “progressives viewing all white conservatives as racists”. Heck, you don’t just move the goal posts, you move to a different field. I do agree with you on one thing; “life is short”. If. you’re exhausted by fake outrage perhaps you might take your advice to me, apply it to yourself and give yourself what sounds to be a much needed break.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Candace, when I first heard about the meme, I assumed it was something that the Sheriff was accused of saying himself… what he actually did is repost a meme from someone else poking fun at liberals and Obama. I know that liberals don’t have much of a sense of humor, but think this meme is newsworthy? I can certainly find thousands of disgusting memes by our progressive friends.

      As Lera Billi put it in an earlier comment, “Digging up online humor from 7 years ago as proof of current malevolence is pretty petty.” Do you think that post is worthy of making him lose his job over?

      There is not much that makes me outraged. I get amused by the double standard of those on this site. In one week they get the vapors about a dozen of conservative protesters not social distancing and the next week excuse millions protesting on our city streets. That is not me being outraged, it is me just shaking my head in disbelief.
      And if you don’t think that the narrative has been changed in the last 2 weeks, that the goalposts have been moved over white privilege and racism…well, you haven’t been paying attention.
      I don’t need a break…when Patrecia responds to your comment about the Chief on a balcony, to where it morphs into snipers on rooftops, that is when I can’t be silent and have to say something. I’m not being outraged, I try to put things in the proper perspective.

      • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

        He didn’t say it… That’s like Trump reposting racist tweets. Reposting a tweet or a Facebook mine is is in my view a coward’s way of saying something without appearing to take responsibility for it. What a joke.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Doug sez: “I know that liberals don’t have much of a sense of humor, but think this meme is newsworthy?”

        Jesus God…let that sink in.

        Doug is faulting liberals for lacking a sense of humor about a meme that celebrates the death of a 17-year-old kid killed by a vigilante. The meme smears the kid and says that he had it coming because the kid attacked the vigilante, when 911 recordings clearly prove that the vigilante ignored the police telling him not to engage. The meme makes fun of Obama for expressing empathy, as a parent, for the kid’s family. The meme insults liberals for making an issue out of nothing…after all, that kid was trash.

        Y’know what, Doug? I think my sense of humor is intact. And if you think that meme is humorous in any way, go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.

  36. Avatar Candace says:

    Doug, First off, I didn’t “dig it up”, I was curious as to existence after you said it didn’t exist. Neither did I say thought the Sheriff should be fired; I said “held accountable”; big difference. If one reposts a racist meme one is still posting a racist meme. Removal of the offending meme and a public apology for reposting it in the first place would go a long way with me. As far as both you and Lera not considering that meme as “not racist” and simply “poking fun” at liberals, well, not much I can say to that other than it speaks for itself as far as what you both consider as racism. Also, your progressive friends posts have absolutely nothing whatsoever with the subject at hand (thus the goal post moving) which is in regard to our Sheriff and no one else. Finally, my sense of humor happens to be very healthy and one of my trademarks with family and friends. Unlike you and Lera I personally don’t find “poking at liberal friends” using a racist AF meme as particularly funny. Guess we just have different ideas of humor.

  37. Avatar Candace says:

    * not considering that meme as “racist”

  38. Avatar Miguel says:

    Trump is now suggesting that the elderly protester (bleeding from the ear onto the pavement) is probably Antifa. With a scanning/jamming device in his hands, “in order to black out the equipment”. Law enforcement says “virtually no evidence to support” any slightest suggestion this is true.

    Anybody else see a particular need to inflame and reignite an already sad (and ugly) situation? No? We don’t have to search out Russian bots, our President IS an online troll.

    (Incidentally, the Antifa “bus” that the militia was protecting us from earlier last week .. apparently got misdirected to the far corners of Washington state .. with four members of a multi-racial family on board. So .. that was a near miss for all of us! So glad the sheriff knew where, and when, to reach out for help …)

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Miguel — All I see is a narcissist with the temperament of a short-fused two-year-old, the lack of intellectual curiosity of a perpetually bored orangutan in an enclosure it hates, and the rapidly declining cognitive acuity of an old man who’s clearly gone over Senility Falls in a wood barrel.

    • Avatar Candace says:

      Those people who buy into Trump’s Antifa nonsense reaaallly need to educate themselves about Antifa, its origins and the fact that there is no large, centralized Antifa organization coming to get us. They’re not all “gutter punks in black bloc”. This is nothing but an attempt by Bunker Boy to fear-monger and shift the focus of blame to a “boogeyman” rather than address systemic racist policing in our country. Also, I’m thinking that labeling anti-fascists as “terrorists is probably not a good idea.
      You know, because of the implications…

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        Just because they call themselves antifascists…doesn’t mean they are. The KKK calls themselves a civic rights group, doesn’t mean they are. Antifa is by definition a fascist group. A violent fascist group.

        • Avatar jeff says:

          Fascism (/?fæ??z?m/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy.

        • Avatar Ed Marek says:


          For your birthday, she knits you an unwanted scarf. To be used as a balaclava?

          She belongs to a decentralized group with no leadership structure that claims to be discussing a “book,” but no one ever reads the book and all they seem to do is drink wine.

          Is always talking on the phone with an “aunt” you have never actually met in person. Aunt TIFA????

          Always walking into rooms and claiming not to know why he walked into the room. Likely.

          He “trips” over and breaks your child’s Lego police station when walking through the living room in the dark.

          Total and bewildering lack of nostalgia for good old days.

          Gathers with loose-knit, disorderly group of figures you have never met to play “mah-jongg,” governed by mysterious “rule cards” issued annually from a nebulous central authority.

          Suddenly, for no reason, will appear or pretend to be asleep.

          Insists on producing container of nuts whenever there is company. Why? Code of some kind?

          Carries peppermints (chemical irritant?) in purse at all times.

          Is taking Centrum Silver. But for what reason? Surely to build up strength for the coming confrontation.

          Keeps forwarding you what appear on the surface to be emails of jokes someone has typed out from a Reader’s Digest; claims to think you would “enjoy”; must be some sort of recruitment or propaganda or hidden message.

          Hired a clown for your child’s birthday — part of the Juggalo command structure?

          Big tin of Christmas popcorn mysteriously replenishes itself. WHO IS HELPING?!

          You gave her a Precious Moments figurine of a law enforcement officer, but she hasn’t displayed it.

          Remembers things from the past in incredible, exhausting detail, but recent ones only sporadically? Cover of some kind.

          She claims not to know how to use her phone, yet always appears upside-down on FaceTime, which should be impossible without hacking capabilities.

          If he is to be believed, he spends hours playing bridge.

          He is walking non-threateningly at a public protest.

    • Avatar Hal Johnson says:

      I thought I was inured to anything said byDonald Trump, but it really pissed me off when he chose to smear the elderly protester.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Trump is most certainly classy, spelled with a K.

        What’s really scary is that he didn’t just choose to mock the old guy because he has zero capacity for empathy. He presented the smear in the form of a freakish conspiracy theory—claiming that the old guy could be Antifa, could have been jamming police radio, may have purposefully injured himself, and that the whole thing might have been a set-up.

        Dear Leader is obviously deranged.

        • Avatar Candace says:

          I loved reading that the gentleman “who got in the way” is on the mend and that it was reported by his buddy that when this gentleman heard of Trump’s Antifa conspiracy theory tweet, he got a good “chuckle” out of it. You know, like most normal people would. Don’t give this president any space. We know who he is and what he represents; don’t give him any more space. Drown him out; vote him out.

      • Avatar Gary Tull says:

        Especially since the guy was aggressively pushed backward and struck the back of his head against concrete so hard that blood flowed from his ear while he lay motionless (I couldn’t watch the video twice).

        Yep. DTs response to that is no less than despicable.

  39. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    Just because Doug calls Antifa fascists doesn’t mean they are. He thinks he gets to say they’re fascists “by definition” and that settles it. It doesn’t.

    Antifa are anarchists. To put it in terms that I think even Doug will understand, in the movie “The Dark Knight,” Batman is the authoritarian fascist, using force to obtain control and conformity. The Joker is the anarchist, using chaos to fight the the authoritarian forces of control.

  40. Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

    About the facist cops that shoved a 75-year-old peaceful protester so hard that he hit his head on the sidewalk and began bleeding from his ear… Today, the President Clorox the Idiot Tweeted, “Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?” Yeah, from Putin…. About OANN.

    That OANN reporter who inspired Trump’s deranged tweet? A Russian national who’s also employed by the Kremlin’s propaganda arm! Cool eh?

    Sure, we’re almost numb to President Clorox The Idiot’s deranged tweets, but seems the futher his poll numbers sink the further his intelligence declines, and his tRumpublican supporters try as hard as they can not to look at the want to be emperor’s naked stupidity. Scan that…

    • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

      Christian Gardinier, I, along with Hal in a previous post, am going to play Devil’s Advocate here. Why would a person approach a cadre of cops on an assignment? Would public opinion be different if this had been a younger man? This was a very unfortunate incident, but common sense tells us not to run headlong into a stampede.

      • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

        Beverly, you didn’t read the full statement from Trump. He was approaching the police officers with his sophisticated handheld radio blocking device so antifa could attack. Shame on that old man! He deserved to get his head cracked.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Beverly — He’s pretty damned old. Maybe his cognitive faculties are slipping. Maybe he thought he was gong to do one of those 60’s hippy moves, where he sticks a flower in a cop’s rifle barrel or something, and the cop smiles. Maybe he was going to say, “Be gentle in your work, brothers.” Who knows?

        He made a dumb mistake. Do we want to live in an America where a feeble old man who makes a dumb mistake gets put in the hospital by young cop who look like they were grown in vats of HGH, bleeding out of his ear?

        • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

          Do we want to live in an America where a president (Clorox) tweets information fed to him by a Russian national agent employed by Putin’s Kremlin propaganda arm?

  41. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    Ok…enough with Covid-19 and protests, I have a more pressing issue and question for you all. I just got back from walking my dog at the Sundial Bridge. Is anyone else annoyed by those stupid electric scooters zipping in and out between pedestrians? Or am I just being a cranky old fart? They just drive me nuts.

    • Avatar Kenny Barton says:

      Dude, seriously?
      Maybe the scooter people are annoyed by you. Ever think of that?
      Share the trail/road/world. It is for all

    • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

      Maybe 80 percent of ’em are okay, but the remaining 20 percent can be kinda obnoxious.

    • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

      Mesa, along with other cities, are banning electric scooters. It is more like 80% are bad and 20% are good. They abandon them at bus stops and the cities have started impounding them forcing many scooter companies out of Phoenix area.

      • Avatar Miguel says:

        The abandonment is another issue (and, so far, not a huge one in Redding). As far as obnoxious riding .. Meh. I’ve run into a bit of both. As might be expected, offenders are almost invariably male 17-25 .. and even there, by far the majority are respectful and polite. More clowning and wisecracking that actual bad driving. Obnoxious .. let’s talk about personal watercraft, 4 wheel ATVs, and 2 stroke dirt bikes. Now there’s a pounding headache!

        As an aside .. judging by the use, and abuse .. along with distant abandonment, I encounter .. I have a hard time seeing a valid business model with these rentals? After repairs and replacement .. is anyone making any money here? Other takes or opinion?

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Yeah, speaking of personal watercraft, a few months ago I was on the Sundial and there were a group of fly fisherman in the river, standing on the gravel island west of the bridge. There were 4-5 watercraft going up and down, around in circles right where these guys were fishing…for at least 20 minutes while I was watching. There are miles and miles of river, and these yahoos had to blast around right next to them….rude

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Jump (and other) e-bikes and e-scooters are extremely practical in densely populated cities like San Francisco, where they’re always available nearly everywhere, and dealing with car parking is a nightmare. I’ll bet they’re making plenty of money in those cities. Even if they raise their prices to make money, it’s still going to be hella cheaper than owning and maintaining a car.

          Not so sure about Redding—maybe that’s still and experiment, though leaving a dozen around Sundial Bridge is probably good product placement.

          There’s a joke that all Silicon Valley start-ups aimed at the millennial market are answering the question: “What does Mom no longer do for me?” The joke implies arrested development in millennials, and if you believe that, maybe you’d’ bet money that they’ll want to get around town on the toys of their youth, even to commute to and from work.

  42. Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

    To celebrate “the single worst incident of racial violence in American history,” when mobs of rioting white nationalists murdered over 300 African Americans and burt their section of Tulsa to the ground, on June 1, 1921, Clorox the Criminal Idiot will hold his first post Covid campaign rally in Tulsa on… yes, Juneteenth (June 19), a National Holliday that celebrates June 19, 1865, the Emancipation Proclamation.

    This is how Clorox pays respect and tribute to African Americans, the BLM Movement and to George Perry Floyd Jr., an African-American man who was murdered by white police.

  43. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    Couple things:
    I read today the HBO Max is shelving “Gone With the Wind” due to it’s racist overtures.
    I say preposterous…and I also suggest that history erased equates history forgotten. History forgotten is history repeated. Censoring art is not the answer. Might as well censor the Mona Lisa because she has a sexually implicit smile….or censor the Statue of David because his wee-wee is apparent. Throw a frickin’ fig leaf on that thing and move on.
    It may be more constructive to reconsider the naming of the celestial phenomena known as Black Holes. Sounds racially imbalanced to me, along with the theoretic concepts of Dark Energy and Dark Matter…
    I mean…doesn’t the “Big Bang” absolutely shout out sexual inappropriateness…? And how ‘bout those plumbers with all their sexually suggestive plumbing nomenclature…ballcocks, unions, nipples. Ever heard a plumber talk about laying pipe, reamimg pipe, or sweating pipe?
    Isn’t everyone as offended as I?
    ,,.and as long as we’re here, I think we may wanna rethink and condemn black licorice, black raspberries, black heartedness, black bears, black eyes, and dark chocolate as potential racial heresy. Feel free to add to this list as you see fit.

    • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

      Bill, why stop at Black titles. The US Military has named all their helicopters after Native American tribes that the US Military tried to ethnic cleanse.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Bill — To my knowledge nobody with any pull is working to ban or censure “Gone With the Wind,” so don’t get your panties all knotted up. HBO—a private company—took it off their HBO Max site because it normalizes racist stereotypes and is sympathetic to the “plight” of Southern slave owners. That’s their business decision. As consumers, you and Doug can protest by canceling your subscriptions. Knock yourselves out.

      I know your “black this, black that” laundry listing is meant to be humorous, but Candice is right. Equating those with a movie that more or less celebrates the good old Antebellum days when blacks not only were slaves, but were loyal to their massas and knew their place, is pretty goddamned grotesque.

      • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

        Steve –

        A truthful history of the US will reveal large injustices, persistent overtures of racial inequity, and huge gaps in responsive leadership. If an advanced country has ever been ripe to learn from it’s mistakes, it is the good ol’ US of A.

        My satirical post was meant only to undermine the effort to subjugate a national history rife with social injustice, political turmoil, and minority discrimination. Any attempt to change that profile constitutes a cover up, and a truthful history is a terrible thing to waste.

        HBO shelving GWTW is not an issue. The issue lies with whoever made that decision, and whatever misguidedly motivation brought them to believe it could possibly make a difference. Next thing you know, these same idiots will be editing “Moby Dick” because it runs counter to saving the planet’s whales; rewriting history is not the answer.
        That’s the issue…

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Bill — We’re on the same page regarding the perils of whitewashing or erasing history. But again, HBO taking GWTW out of their lineup isn’t that. It’s a business decision. I assume HBO execs care most about the bottom line, and were taking a preemptive move to prevent a boycott. “See how woke we are here at HBO?!”

          I’ve seen D.W. Griffith’s “Birth of a Nation” once, in a film class. We were taught that it was an extraordinary cinematic leap forward, and at the same time a racist apologia for the South. For many of the college kids in that class, I’m sure it woulda been nothing more than an example of a silent movie, just as some :::cough::: enjoy GWTW as a benign Hollywood love story that happens to be set in the glorious Old South.

          PBS and The History Channel (back in the day, before it went to hell) are probably the best venues for those movies, with commentary. I don’t really even mind them showing up on HBO again, without commentary. But people who don’t think they’re problematic are dangerously close to opening their coats and revealing their “I’m a White American Victim” T-shirts.

          • Avatar Miguel says:

            Speaking of problematic … Are your feelings the same .. different .. or in a totally different category .. regarding the cancellation of shows like COPS? And, did that too have anything to do with censorship, being “woke” .. or just plain bottom line business?

            (use to have a girlfriend that called this stuff Blue Porn …)

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            I’ve watched “Cops” a few times. I didn’t like it, for a couple off reasons.

            It depicted how shitty life is for a lot of poor, desperate Americans who turn to committing in most cases really stupid crimes, and how cops struggle to deal with the avalanche of those crimes.

            And it often portrayed the militarization and authoritarian turn that policing has taken in this country, and glorified it. The Warrior Cop is the star of the show—the kinds of guys one of my FB friends says look like they were all grown in vats of HGH in secret labs. It’s a pro-cop PR show masquerading as a documentary, where the police departments always had final screening and editing rights.

            “Cops” got cancelled ~4 days ago, so it likely wasn’t because of ratings, but rather the network getting “woke” (which again, to me means that they made a business decision to appear woke, at least in the moment).

            Buh bye, Cops. Door, ass.

  44. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    “Why stop at black titles…?”
    Now yer talking..
    Thratening black clouds, Black Sunday, black comedy, Black Sabbath…
    Ban it all….from bad weather to sad comedy….
    Used to be you could enjoy genuine Aunt Jemimah pancakes with your Log Cabin…
    But noooooooooo-o-o…
    Getting back to “Gone With the Wind”…the really sad part is that – ever since I was a little kid…
    Aunt Hattie was always my favorite. I know she’s looking down from up above, shaking her head…
    “ It ain’t right…It ain’t right… Just ain’t right.” Remember the look on Mammy’s face when Miss Scarlett asked of Mr Kennedy, “ I’m so cold, mind if I put my hands in your pocket?”
    Pure Mammy…

    • Avatar Candace says:

      If “Mammy” is looking down and shaking her head right now I highly doubt it’s for your imagined reasons. JFC those are some moronic and racist bullshit equivalencies.

      • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

        “…those are some moronic and racist bullshit equivalencies.”

        Glad you got the point, Candace.
        On the Misinformation Highway, I remain stuck in high gear…
        Somewhere between Dysfunction Junction and Reality Ridge.
        In today’s political climate, be sure to keep your tinfoil hat firmly in place….
        It’ll keep the aliens from reading your thoughts.

      • Avatar Candace says:

        Bill V, Yep. Trying a different tactic..

  45. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    And now because of presumed racial overtones Lady Antebellum is changing their name to Lady A. What’s next, changing Country Music because it reflects gun totting renecks driving around in pickups.
    If they edited Malcom X it would be a silent film.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      All this virtue signaling by guilty white liberals is just a distraction from dealing with the issues that need to be talked about. I’m sure taking Gone With the Wind off of HBO makes Candace feel all warm and fuzzy. But will do absolutely nothing to cure the problem. Will we have a discussion about the educating our black youths? Can we talk about school vouchers and charter schools? No…lets talk about a 70 year old movie, because that is what is important. I have it on DVD…maybe I’ll watch it this weekend. A great movie

      • Avatar Candace says:

        Sorry Doug, I know you miss our BFF status but other than this comment, I wont be rising to your
        (continual) bait. I suggest you figure out a way to go on without me. I know it’s painful and not as much fun but I think you’ll find it less painful as time goes on. Breaking up is hard to do.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Dang it…I felt we really started to bond. I will continue to respond to your comments when I feel you are going off the rails a bit. No need to reply back if you don’t feel the need to do so. But I enjoy reading your perspective.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Bruce — Nashville is already divided between (1) bro-dude pop country that basically sounds like riff rock backing idiotic rehashed lyrics about pick-up trucks, guzzling beer, girls in cut-offs and halter tops, dirt roads, guzzling more beer, and ‘Murica; and (2) (aka, East Nashville, Americana, Outlaw) with more traditional or grungy sounds, paired with lyrics that are introspective, smarter, and—yes—sometimes left-leaning. A decade ago the scene was pretty much underground relative to mainstream country. Today artists like Jason Isbell, Chris Stapleton, The Avett Brothers, Lucinda Williams, Steve Earle and others are more artistically renowned than the mainstreamers, selling recordings and filling arenas on relatively equal terms with the mainstream acts.

      Lady Antebellum has always sounded like the mainstreamers, but self-identified as Among alt-country fans, they’re considered pretenders. The name change to “Lady A” is an example of why. Like their songbook, it lacks any whit of creativity and originality, and everyone knows the “A” still stands for Antebellum—as dumb and unaware as bro-country.

  46. Avatar Miguel says:

    Wait a second .. Bruce, you can’t SAY that!
    “Country Music because it reflects gun toting rednecks driving around in pickup trucks.”

    Sir .. you cannot say that about an American institution ..
    And, besides .. you left out Mamma .. prison .. trains …. old dogs, and children .. and watermelon wine.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Miguel — Mama, prison, trains, old dogs, children, watermelon wine—that was classic country. Tom T. Hall, Merle, Johnny, Patsy, George (Jones and Strait), Loretta, and all the Texas Outlaw guys are cooler than hell.

      That’s been replaced by pick-up trucks, guzzling beer, girls in cut-offs and halter tops, flag waving and wearing, guzzling more beer, guns, and *real* ‘Muricans.

  47. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    Another blip on the radar wrt keeping aliens from reading your thoughts. The best material is thought to be Velostat (tradename Linqstat). It is a packaging material used to line avionics and digital relay equipment from electromotive interference (EMI), and also sees use in protective packaging of sensitive computer modules. Lightweight, non-magnetic, and non-conductive…this is the stuff that is sure to keep those nasty elongate-headed boogers from hijacking your mojo – a recognized prelude to abduction.

  48. Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

    Gone With the Wind? let’s hope so! This is what the right-wing is wringing out it’s Chinese MAGA tRump hanky while racist Clorox The Criminal Idiot’s approval is diving; Gallup 39% – CNN 38. In fact, Criminal got so angry he sent CNN a cease and desist letter because Idiot’s trailing the former vice president by 14 points, 55%-41%, among registered voters! Right, let’s see who that works out for Clorox.

    Racist Idiot got so fumed he yelled, “Will Not Even Consider'” renaming basses named in honer of his beloved Confederacy, named after racists White Nationalists that attacked and waged war upon the United States of America; after all, Racist Idiot needs his racist white nationalist votes in November, that base is about all he has left these days. But that was just in the morning.

    Next Idiot decided he would stage his acceptance speech in Jacksonville on August 27, in celebration of the sixtieth anniversary of the “Ax Handle Saturday” attack on African Americans in Jacksonville by racist white nationalists, brandishing baseball bats and ax handles. Yeah, that will show them….

    Then Idiot made sure those attending his celebration of “the single worst incident of racial violence in American history,” when rioting white nationalists murdered over 300 African Americans and burt their section of Tulsa, will have to agree not to sue Trump’s campaign or the venue, “or any of their affiliates, directors, officers, employees, agents, contractors, or volunteers,” if they contract Covid-19 at his non-mask rally. But wait,“You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero….” Talk about cease and desist.

    But, let’s complain about HBO removing Gone With the Wind, a great movie on par with D.W. Griffith’s The Birth of a Nation, actually titled The Clansman for its first month of release, where the Ku Klux Klan rises up to save the South from the Reconstruction Era-prominence of African Americans in Southern public life… And then raise up to save tRump’s presidency?

    Let’s take the names, the statues and flags, and like the Iraqis did with Saddam Hussein, pull them down, and like NASCAR did, remove them. Then put them in a museum so children can learn about the 300 year systematic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of African Americans and so we don’t have to own these tribute memorials of America’s racism, apartheid and murder, in our public space.

    You can put your movie back on… But most of America has seen it, and don’t like what we see.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Trump’s detestable racist trolling includes a planned return to holding his race-baiting rallies—starting on “Juneteenth” (June 19th) in Tulsa, the day on which blacks were massacred by whites—including incendiary bombs dropped from WWI-era biplanes—in Tulsa’s most affluent African-American neighborhood.

      That’s right. Der Pumpkinführer and his brownshirts are going to own the libs and the blacks by thumbing their collective nose, holding a rally on the date and location of a horrible massacre. He’s a piece of $#!+, no two ways about it.

  49. Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

    And it still continues in sweet Oklahoma. Just yesterday awhite Oklahoma police major said in a shocking interview that African Americans in the US are being killed ‘less than they probably ought to be…. There’s no racism in the police force.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Christian, just as you think President Trump said we should drink Clorox, this story is also misrepresented. Sometimes you have to dig deeper than scary headlines.

      What the Major was saying is that “Americans believe that cops are just hunting blacks down in the street and killing them. And it’s completely the opposite of what the research says and what the data says.”

      There are a number of studies and FBI statistics that show blacks disproportionately commit more violent crimes than whites do. Half of the murders in the US are committed by African Americans who compromise about 13% of the population. The Major was just pointing out that statistically, there should have been more shootings of blacks than there are due to the the high crime rate of blacks compared to the white population. He wasn’t advocating to shoot more black men as he explained, “…When asked if he believed black Americans weren’t being shot enough, Yates responded, “That is absolutely nuts. I’m amazed that anybody would even ponder that. That’s crazy. I was citing data, that said they’re underrepresented in that data. And so, I don’t want anybody to be shot. Nobody does, but the data that most people are believing, there is alternative data out there and that’s the data I was citing.”

      He was citing data…not his opinion.

    • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

      Tulsa Chief of Police Wendell Franklin, the first African American to hold that position, on Thursday denounced the incendiary comments made by Major Travis Yates, who persisted that, systematic abuse of power and racism. That just doesn’t exist. ”

      Digging deeper we find Yates is quite the writer. In 2016 he wrote an essay called “”Follow Commands or Die,” that stated American police were “at war” and implied Black Lives Matter activists should not be allowed to visit the White House. Incredible…

      “Chief Wendell Franklin and the Tulsa Police Department want to make it very clear we do not endorse, condone or support Yates’ comments made on the show,” a statement from the TPD said. “This matter has been referred to our Internal Affairs Unit.” The chief is also demanding an apology…. Let’s see if it comes or not.

      I expect Clorox the racist Criminal Idiot himself, who along with his supporters dismiss the idea of any systemic problems, will tweet on the Yeats statement soon. But America is speaking already. “A Washington Post-Schar School poll released this past week found that 69 percent of Americans think Floyd’s killing signals a broader problem within law enforcement, compared with 29 percent who consider it to be an isolated incident…” And. Two-thirds of black Americans don’t trust the police to treat them equally. Most white Americans do.

      In closing, more than half of Americans, including large majorities of blacks and Hispanics, think President Donald Trump is a racist. More than half think his policies have made things worse for Hispanics and Muslims, and nearly half say they’ve made things worse for African Americans. ( Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research). tRumpublicans? Naw, ain’t no problem, “only 21 percent of Republicans agree” that there is a problem.

  50. Avatar Candace says:

    At this point, IMO, if one has seen the countless videos of police brutality and violence and one is still going on about “good cops”, and only needing police “reform” (as opposed to massive defunding, dismantling, and reallocation of resources to programs/services that actually help people), then at the very least, I suggest one takes the time to educate oneself on the history and current reality of policing in America.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      “But the good cops” = “Not all men”

      It doesn’t matter that it’s true. It’s a misdirection play. A purposeful misdirection play to avoid dealing with the issue, and a form of gaslighting.

    • Avatar Mia DeRouen says:

      At this point, IMO, if one has seen the countless videos of pit bull attacks and one is still going on about “good dogs”, and only needing dog “training”, then at the very least, I suggest one takes the time to educate oneself on the history and current reality of pit bull violence in America.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Great analogy. The majority of pit bulls may be “good dogs,” but they were bred to destroy tissue and not stop until the job is done—those are their their temperament and tools. They’re militarized dogs, like militarized cops. And when they go off—especially if it’s a mistake—it can be a very bad scene.

        Extending the analogy, people who love their pit bulls absolutely do not want to hear it.

  51. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    I decided I needed to up my brain trust on background of the Bethel Church, and right away googled into reports of “grave sucking” and attempts at postponing the afterlife by the Bethel Dead Raising Team. Do these Bethel behaviors put the Redding area at risk of being the epicenter of the imminent Zombie apocalypse?

    On another note, I’ll be designing a Fall fashion line of Velostat-lined hats soon. These hats will be designed to prevent attempts to read your thoughts, whether by big gubmint satellite surveillance, localized drone-supported scanning, even by abduction-minded alien presence channeled from the Mothership.
    If you have special fashion needs, or would like a custom gift for that special someone, let me know.

    I am an equal opportunity hatmaker, and am willing to build to any specification, regardless of race, color, creed, political fixation, religious inclination, sexual orientation, previously undescribed gender identity, or unreasonable propensity for social recrimination.

    If you have a head, we will build you a hat to fit.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      I’m a ball cap guy, as is our pal Matt. I think we share the problem of weird vibes getting into our skulls, so make sure you have a line of ball caps, please. Blue is my color.

      My ball caps also serve to prevent sunburn and skin cancer on my balding dome. I don’t know how Hal goes around just letting those UV rays wreak havoc with the DNA in his scalp, whistling and warbling like all is well. It’s like that guy doesn’t have a damned care in the world.

      • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

        Of course, my ruse as a “hatmaker” was a contrivance to introduce my addition to the roster of anti-discrimination lingo, as might become a future mandate.

        Despite that, Velostat-lined hats are a very real phenomenon, and the product is reasonable, durable, and proven effective under a variety of electromotive circumstances.
        Look it up…

        Getting back to “propensity for social recrimination”…
        I don’t stroll through through life looking to affront anyone. In return, I ask others not to affront me. If my behavior is untoward, I normally know this before it can be brought to my attention, and I suspect this is true of most of us. Each of us carries a filter through which we must discern rights, wrongs, and impartialites. Damage to this filter occurs when we are intentionally trespassed, or we might choose to modify that filter as we perceive the trespasses of others.

        As Steve has mentioned, a redneck check will not be detected by 23andMe as having a specific genomic profile. There is also no specific genetic determinant of hatred, bigotry, religious persecution, political inclination, sexual orientation, or propensity for recognizing the significance of the space time continuum (maybe – this one is conjecture on my part)

        We are so alike one another, it is frightening. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.Live and let live. Give Peace a Chance. Holy Moroni pass the Bologna…

  52. Steven Towers Steven Towers says:

    Commander Shinsplints offering up yet another platter of meats, cheeses, and fruits to appease his master, Emperor Vlad the Puppetmaster—a plan to significantly draw down our military presence in Germany, primarily out of spite.

    “Da, is pretty good. But you can do better, my precious tangerine toy.”

    • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

      In addition, the angry pitchfork-wielding,torchlit villagers are at the capitol gates in Seattle:

      “Ve vill gedju, Herr Fraunkenschtein von Cretinschtein!”

      Last I heard, those landgrabbing CHAZ holders were putting in field crops…

  53. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    Hal –
    Wrt vitamin D:
    I’ve been following Dr Michael Holick for vitamin D research. He has recognized a global vit D deficiency pandemic for at least 12 years, which he attributes at least in part to overzealous sunscreen use, poor diet choices, and sedentary indoor post-internet lifestyles. The gist of it is…
    Healthy lifestyle matters. If you choose sunscreen, take a vit D supplement. They actually make a 50K supplement, which wife and I sometimes use to battle sickness, excess fatigue, or long bouts w/o outdoor exposure.

    Conversely, it is also possible to overdose, so we add an occasional vit D count to our regular blood work.

    Vitamin D doesn’t work in a vacuum, but works w vit C, magnesium, and calcium levels to assure immune response, intracellular signaling, and – maybe most importantly – T cell production. Latest research findings suggest us oldsters en masses suffer from thymic insuffiency. Remember the thymus, that little organ behind the sternum we were taught was useless? Not so…

    The thymus is now thought to be the primary support organ of a healthy imm7ne response – thus, T cells. The thymus is also thought to function better in a vit D rich environment.
    Lots of great research in this area. Happy hunting!

    • Avatar Hal Johnson says:

      Thanks for that info, Bill. My awareness of the importance of Vitamin D was prompted by hearing Dr. Rhonda Patrick on a podcast.

      • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

        Ever since I was a youth, I’ve watched with great interest as gainful understanding of vitamin D has grown from it’s initial acknowledgement for benefit in bone remodeling to it’s powerhouse considerations in regulating autonomous health, boosting innate immune response, and optimizing the efficiency of the cell signaling cascade.

        Taken in combination with the advances in understanding of the thymus, it’s unique relationship to immune response, and it’s notable deterioration over the course of a lifetime, I encourage you to enlist your research skills on behalf of maintaining a healthy thymus.

        The gainful strides of this thymic/immune research have been slow to surface, but – for my money – they hold remarkable insight into improved human health, greater longevity, and vastly extended years – and perhaps decades – of healthful, productive, active aging.

        JMO, but the US fell quite far behind in these areas of research when fetal stem cell research was politically disabled. The countries that stayed on that bandwagon have made great gains in synthesizing organ tissue for transplant, biocompatible lattice constructs to encourage spinal cord repair, and stem cell repairs of a wide course of cardiovascular and pulmonary dysfunctions.

        Long story short: no surprise that the science has been downplayed in this pandemic /political climate. It’s merely an extension of the history of scientific denial in the US, a denial that has – of itself – reached epidemic proportion. As I see it, this epidemic denial lies at the very core of the mask/no mask controversy – a most curious phenomenon to me.


        • Avatar Gary Tull says:

          Bill V. — Your interesting observations are noted and appreciated. Salut…

        • Avatar Hal Johnson says:

          Bill, what Gary said.

          About eight years ago, I was on a flight from New Orleans to Denver, sitting next to a guy who was a professor at the University of Colorado School of Medicine. He told me that he thought flu shots were effective, but for folks who wouldn’t or couldn’t get the shots, he recommended a combination of Vitamin D and American ginseng.

          We’re not anti-vaccine in our family, but we never got around to getting flu shots that season. I took the Vitamin D/American ginseng combination faithfully. My wife and son usually forgot. They got the flu and were flat on their backs for a couple of days. I felt nothing but mild headcold symptoms for three days.

          That’s awfully scant anecdotal evidence that Vitamin D or the Vitamin D/American ginseng combination is effective for boosting immunity, but it made an impression on me.

          • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

            “combination of Vitamin D and American ginseng.”

            Never heard this, but will look at the rationale. Wife believes modern vaccines are the Devil, so we abstain.

            Personally, I feel manufacturing processes are the most damaging consideration of the whole anti-vaccine thesis, but I also look at big Pharma litigations regarding side effects. The lawyers always get their share, and if a strategy to scab a buck exists, they find it.

            I also look at clinical trials for good info on combinations of drugs, little known herbal concoctions, and the whole of experimental drug analytics – from the common cold to all the known cancers. Great free website:


            This site, sponsored by the National Library of Medicine, lists every approved clinical trial on the US – regardless of sponsorship. Great search engine, and it plays well with my investing thesis, emphasis on biotech, primarily cancer stocks. Check it out…in fact, plug in your Vit D plus ginger combo, just to see what you find. You might be surprised.

          • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

            Hal, we have been taking Vitamin D for years. My husband is very susceptible to flu even with the annual shot. Could you explain how you take American ginseng: capsule (if so, what dose) or slices of the plant?

          • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

            Beverly, I normally take two NOW brand capsules in the morning on an empty stomach. The capsules are a half gram each, so I take total of one gram a day. I take vitamin D at the same time; some sources say that it’s okay to take D on an empty stomach even though it’s oil soluble. Just in case they’re wrong, I take half my vitamin D on an empty stomach, and the other half later with a meal.

          • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

            I’ve run out of Reply; so I’ll thank Hal here for his information regarding dosage of American ginseng. I figure it’s worth a try.

  54. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    The Seattle Times has stated FOX news used digital altered scenes to show protests in Seattle. One picture captioned Seattle Burns was actually of burning businesses in ST Paul, MN. And the Seattle police chief said that the claim that protesters were charging businesses protection money is totally false.

  55. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    Can’t somebody please tackle POTUS and pin his ass to the ground before he strikes up the band at his COVID-spreading Tulsa rally? Trump is headed for the unique and dubious historic distinction of single-handedly wiping out the senior leadership of the 2020 GOP. I have a premonition to share, and it ain’t pretty:

    Trump: “On behalf of myself, Vice President Mike Pence, and my new Pandemic Response Team lead advisor – Les Baugh, of Redding California….we’d like to welcome you to Tulsa, Oklahoma! Tell ’em all your barber shop story, Les. Tell ’em where they can stick all those silly masks, Les!”

    I propose we defund the office of the Presidency, turn the pandemic response over to a family of lesser primates, and put Zippy the Pinhead and the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers in charge of riot control and police action. We’d get a much fairer shake going forward. Might even have a laugh or two…

    • Steven Towers Steven Towers says:

      I hope we can all agree that Freewheelin’ Franklin was the undisputed leader of the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers. His irascible temperament made him first among equals, for sure (with the exception of Fat Freddy’s Cat, who was ruled by no man).

      • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

        My favorite FFFB was the one where Franklin cooked a turkey for thanksgiving. “Great stuffing!” say the other two. “Stuffing? It was already stuffed!” says Franklin.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Bill, I’m assuming that you would also be in favor of ending all BLM protests? Ending the occupation of a Seattle neighborhood?

      • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

        “…in favor of ending all BLM protests?”

        Not at all, but the Seattle situation is setting a precedent that will eventually require a settling, an affirmation, or further concession. Or it’ll set a precedent for Federal intervention. I firmly believe it should be handled at the local level.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          What I am getting at Bill. Is that you seem to be in favor of canceling a Trump rally because of the danger of Covid 19, but are ok with BLM protests. Why is that? Different messaging?

          • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

            The science is clear: social distancing work, masks work. Group gatherings constitute at-risk behavior. Risk is really only quantifiable at the personal level. Those that rally, riot, or participate in at-risk behaviors should plan on self-isolation for the prescribed 14-21 days.

            When you look at it objectively, it’ simple. No cause is so great it should put the innocent at risk. It is everyone’s best interest to play very heads-up. Should the proposed Trump rally come off cleanly, without evident COVID community transfer, it won’t be due to any particular precautionary posturing. It’ll be pure dumb luck. If it produces a nationwide spread of disease, it is undoubtedly a potential disaster. For the life of me, I can’t understand why Trump is so insistent. Even Tulsa has told him to stay home, and is actively discouraging visitors. How many chosen convention cities do that?

          • Avatar Damon Miller says:

            One event is protesting systematic racism and injustice, the other is promoting these things. It’s not difficult to tell the difference, dude.

  56. Avatar Karen Bennett says:

    Doni ~ I’m sure you’ve answered this question before but my memory fails me. What’s ANC’s thinking in allowing commenters to comment using only first names or aliases rather than full names? Thanks ~

  57. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    Redding’s Trump-loving Bethel Church has now co-opted the scene of George Floyd’s murder to hold a revival. There are no words to express how outrageous this is:

    • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

      Thanks Patricia, loved reading the comments on the article especially calling Bethel the new Westboro Babtist Church. I posted a picture of Sean to show who they were calling an A++++e.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        Bruce…I did the same thing and read through some of the comments on Patricia’s link. Wow…and she calls me a radical. Too funny

        • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

          Doug – I never called you a radical. I’M the radical. You’re just someone who mindlessly parrots fact-less ultra-right-wing talking points.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            You continually call me a ‘radical right winger’. Of course to you, anyone to the right of Trosky is a radical right winger.

          • Avatar Damon Miller says:

            Careful, Doug, Someone might think you’re a snowflake, dude.

            (Have you tried NOT being a radical right-winger?)

    • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

      George Floyd’s family attorney might be interested in this…

  58. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    Seven new cases of COVI today. Be careful, kiddos.

  59. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    “Unbelievably reckless” Trump rally petition signed by hundreds of med techs, docs, nurses…
    As Trump rally increases venue to 62K in two locations…

    JMO, but this constitutes reckless neglect beyond reason. Time to invoke the 25th…

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      But hey…lets support thousands of people in close proximity protesting. Maybe you should have concern for protesters health as you seem to have for Trump supporters

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:


        If it weren’t for all the innocent people they might later infect, I’d say let them have their rallies every day. That could go a long way toward wiping out the dregs of humanity before the election.

        Also, I’ve seen masked people at OUTDOOR protests. It’s a given there will be virtually no masks at Trump rallies, since his followers are too stupid to realize that everything is not just some imaginary conspiracy against their Glorious Leader.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          “… That could go a long way toward wiping out the dregs of humanity before the election.”

          Let’s read that comment again…what Patrecia is advocating for is the death of conservative voters, “..the dregs of humanity”. Someone with a different political view is deserving to die according to Patrecia to help swing the election to Biden.. Tell me Patrecia, will you be happy if I die of Covid-19? Another ‘dreg of humanity’ off the planet?

      • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

        I am completely apolitical in this regard, and stand by my former statement regardless of race, creed, color, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, gender identity, or pre-dispensation for sexual reassignment.

        Regardless of your cause, if you participate in at-risk behavior: wear a mask, practice social distancing, and optimize your hygiene. The inconvenience is small, the benefit great. Absent a return to normalcy, it is our wisest choice in a field of inconvenient options. FYI, it is referred to as NPI, and I may use the term interchangeably in future reference to these vital components of Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Bill…I agree that having a rally at this time is unwise. I’m not a rally guy, I have never watched a Trump rally…don’t really care. But let’s be honest. Before Covid-19 the left was getting the vapors every time Trump had a rally. The virus is just another excuse to criticize conservatives getting together. Social distancing was the supposed excuse to criticize the Board of Sup protest…but that went out the window with the Floyd protest. (which less than half were masked from the videos I saw).

          I fully support the steps you recommend, wear a mask, practice social distancing, and optimize your hygiene. But let’s not pretend that there isn’t a bias against rallies or protests from more conservative groups, and a pass given to left leaning protests.

          • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

            “…having a rally at this time is unwise…”

            Doug, listen to the science. The GOP rally is not unwise, it is an incredibly reckless, completely detached-from-reality, totally narcissist immersion into Trump’s version of reality.

            It is a disservice to the citizens of Tulsa, the residents of Oklahoma, and the entire USof A. It is a totally irresponsible response to proven science. Your president is well-given to displays of lunacy, none greater than this decision to compromise the health of his electorate. Trump is telling the US the pandemic is on the decline, the data suggest otherwise.
            It constitutes not simply a controversy, but national crisis.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — People who don’t wear masks to rodeos, Trump rallies, BLM rallies, and Target are stupid. If you don’t wear a mask in public—especially in confined spaces where you’ll be at close quarters with others–you’re behaving like a selfish, reckless, m dumb-ass penis with limbs, no matter where you fall on the political spectrum. Hard stop.

            There. Does that make it better?

            No, of course it doesn’t. You have to go on pretending that there’s a black-and-white case of false equivalency going on. It’s what you do.

  60. Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

    Another piece of good news this morning from the Supreme Court. The fight isn’t over ‘til Trump is out but for today Steven Miller can eat you know what.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      I’m assuming you are talking about the DACA decision? It was a good decision by the SCOTUS. If you remember DACA was an executive order by President Obama. Why? Because he was frustrated with the lack of action of Congress. At the time of the signing President Obama said this, “This is a temporary stopgap measure”.

      Congress was supposed to step up to the plate and tackle immigration. But of course they ignored it. They ignored it when the GOP was in charge, and they are ignoring it when Pelosi is in charge.

      It is not the job of the SCOTUS to legislate for Congress, to do their job. Has Congress done anything with immigration?remember, that which was the number one issue not too long ago?

      It is also interesting to me the outrage and angst shown by the left over the new SCOTUS, and all the evil things they will do with a conservative majority. So far, they have been fairly moderate in their decisions.

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:


        The decision to include gay people in civil rights law was due to the fact that Neil Gorsuch swung (and the religious “right” and their ilk are now screaming that he betrayed them, and that America is “destroyed”). On the other hand Trump appointee Bret Kavanaugh led the charge to keep violating the civil rights of the LGBT community.

        A major abortion decision is coming up, which will affect millions of women, and will create phenomenal suffering if it goes the wrong way. THAT will be a big test of Trump’s Supreme Court, and is actually the #1 reason Trump appointed Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          It was a 6-3 decision, not 5-4. The dissension was not because Kavanaugh wanted to violate civil rights, it was based on, once again…the perception that SCOTUS is responsible for doing Congress’s job. If it is important to include the LGBTQ community in Title IX law…which I have no problem with, then have Congress deal with it. Not kick it yo the Supreme Court. This is becoming more and more prevalent, expecting SCOTUS to pick up the slack from a do nothing Congress.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            “Do-nothing Congress” is a bald-faced lie.

            The House has passed hundreds of bills over the past two years—many of which are bipartisan—that sit on the graveyard of Moscow Mitch McConnell’s desk because he refuses to take them up. They aren’t even being debated, let alone going to committee for the usual back-and-fort between the House and Senate until a compromise can be reached.

            Moscow Mitch has effectively made himself the Senate’s legislative black hole, grinding Congress to a halt. He’s pulled off one of the most spectacular flip-flops in our country’s history—he’s now 100% in favor of rule by executive fiat, and executive fiat only.

  61. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    Everyone is supposed to wear a mask in public now. Guv’s order.

    It’ll be interesting to observe once again the cries of “Oppressed! We’re being oppressed” paired with zero local enforcement here in Shastanistan. Newsom will again fail to send the California National Guard across Cottonwood Creek to force compliance with the order. Our perennially paranoid and victim-mentality local conservatives will predict and then imagine Gestapo tactics, as the state once again treats us as far less relevant that we think we are, and largely ignores us.

    • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

      “Everyone is supposed to wear a mask in public now.”

      Been expecting this…the science supports the notion. Inconvenient though it is, it’s really a renowned, super effective non pharmaceutical intervention (NPI). Current consensus is that the Feds lied to us early on to ensure PPE for first response front liners. To my knowledge the science has always been in place. I have past experience as a WFR (wilderness first responder), and masks, gloves, and blow barriers always a hands-on standard. Dunno why in the world it would be different for anyone else under close quarter conditions.
      The whole mask controversy made no sense to me from the start.

  62. Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

    Poor trump. At this point, with the economy still teetering on collapse and Covid 19 on the rise, all that Clorox the Criminal Idiot has left is to pander his racism to his base, and even that is not working all that well as evidenced today by the removal of his Nazi symbolism from social media and the rejection by the Supreme Court of his racist anti-DACA policy. But that’s not all folks… The supreme Court has ruled that Trump’s attempt to make LGBQT citizens illegal or third rate citizens not worthy of his white nationalism vision is also illegal and they put it into one facet of it.

    Why, this week’s set backs for Clorox is going to give Rush Limbaugh an aneurysm as he is absolutely going nuts on the radio in the last couple of days. Let’s all be sure that we give him one of his biggest setbacks come November 3rd of this year.

  63. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    Redding’s Bethel Mega-Church has once again made the national news for its blatant racism and hatred:

    • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

      Patricia, as much as I enjoy reading these links you and others post from obscure, not national, sources I am more worried as the majority of the nation and the world are about the COVI pandemic than what a hippie from a cult church in a small town is doing.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        Yeah, not exactly a national news source. And it doesn’t appear that Patrecia actually read her own link. First of all, Sean Feucht is a singer, he is not Bethel Church. Secondly, he said that he was against BLM as an organization…not as a statement. He supports the stand against racism and injustice.

        I saw an interview today with a famous rapper, sorry…can’t remember his name…I’m not on top of the latest rappers. He said basically the same thing that the BLM movement has been taken over with peripheral causes. If you look at the BLM website, it has morphed into Palestinian rights, LGBTQ rights…issues that the black community have not been keen on as a whole. That is what Sean Feucht was saying…it isn’t a racist statement, it is a statement that many blacks are saying.

        But hey, Patrecia…maybe Sean…a ‘dreg of humanity’, will die of Covid-19. That’ll make your day, right?

        • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

          Doug, I keep thinking you would be a great addition to the public relations department of The Clorox campaign team. You seem to be able to spin much better than some of his talking head flunkies he keeps pushing out for Fox News to pimp his failing agenda. You do a good job, seriously. Just wondering, are you involved with any re-election efforts by the Republicans here in Shasta county?

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

   is almost a full time job keeping up with the false and misrepresented statements coming from many of you. You amusingly address the president as ‘Clorox’…but I bet you can’t find any quote from him about recommending using Clorox or any other disinfectant, right? How about going to his actual quote. It is fake news…

            And just a bit above these comments, we have a comment from one of our tolerant progressives advocating for the death of conservative voters…you know, the ‘dregs of humanity’. You mean I am the only one to call her out on that?
            “…That (Covid-19) could go a long way toward wiping out the dregs of humanity before the election.”

            If it makes you happy to hear just one side of an issue. feel free to skip over my comments, I’m sure many do. Won’t hurt my feelings. But try this, do a little research and find some of the prominent blacks out there that think BLM has been hijacked and are pushing issues that have nothing to do with black lives….I didn’t make it up.

          • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

            Doug, keep up the full time job! Actually, I love it! It gives us the opportunity to show center of the road voters how ridiculous – and dangerous – Clorox the Idiot and his alt right tRumpublican base have gotten. See you in Tulsa?

        • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

          Doug Cook,

          You are WAY off. Even my article (which actually is a national source) points out his affiliation with Bethel. In fact he has a so-called Bethel “ministry”, is recorded by Bethel Music, and was backed to the hilt in his failed run for Congress by Bethel leaders.

          And I’d suggest you read both of the links I posted about his despicable attempt to take over the site of George Floyd’s murder. He’s calling BLM a fraud partially because it doesn’t condemn abortion. Bethel leaders are fond of doing racist things like comparing early abortion to the lynchings of countless actual, feeling, aware human being by the KKK.

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:


        It’s possible to be concerned about BOTH the coronavirus pandemic and the religious take-over of Redding by a malignant international cult.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          ..and I am concerned Patrecia over someone wishing for the death of conservative voters by Covid-19. You know…those ‘dregs of humanity that deserve to die.

  64. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    Good find, Patrecia.
    Personally, I subscribe to the philosophy:
    God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy…

  65. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    As of Friday at 5PM most of Arizona will be under mandatory masks in open areas.
    300 National Guard are being brought in to aid with Tracing. If you don’t know what that means add it to the PTO problem that the healthcare is having.
    COVI is the number one problem in the world right now.

  66. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    The four new cases of COVID-18 reported yesterday, all apparently unrelated instances of community transmission, should probably worry us even more than the seven reported the day before, apparently from a single “superspreader” event.

    Hopefully, local stores will start enforcing the new State-wide face mask rules soon enough to help keep the COVID-19 chart on ANC’s home page from doing a full “hockey Stick”.

    Look for Redding HRR to show up in bright (?) red, for fastest growth rate nationwide, after this map is updated in~two days:!/vizhome/covid19-atlas-hrr-growth/CasesGrowthRate

    “Four new cases unrelated to party
    5:48 p.m., Thursday, June 18

    Four new coronavirus cases were confirmed Thursday in Shasta County, but none of the people sickened had ties to a large family party that has so far been connected to seven cases of the virus, county officials said.

    That brings the local confirmed total to 62 infections.

    The latest people sickened are two women in their 50s who don’t have symptoms, a man in his 40s with symptoms and a woman in her 30s with symptoms.

    Shasta County reports single-day high in new cases
    5:30 p.m., Wednesday, June 17

    Shasta County health officials announced seven additional cases of the coronavirus on Wednesday, the most reported in a single day in the county since the outbreak began.

    The increase brings the county’s case total to 58.

    Six of the seven cases confirmed Wednesday were connected to a case reported Sunday belonging to a man in his 20s who had recently attended a large family gathering, said Kerri Schuette, spokeswoman for the county’s Health and Human Services Agency…”

  67. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    Probably the most promising study published to date on the use of convalescent plasma to treat COVID, just released by the Mayo Clinic:

    I see this as really, really good news.
    My short take: if you are positive for COVID antibodies, give blood. Often.

  68. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    Trump will be packing thousands of screaming morons into an ENLOSED venue, despite the fact that coronavirus cases have surged in Tulsa and the surrounding county (more than eight hundred new cases in just the past two days).

    But of course he doesn’t care that countless innocent people may later be exposed – and some will die – as long as he can surround himself with his adoring Nazi fans.

    He’s been warned by the CDC that he’s creating the most dangerous situation possible. However, he thinks he’s personally off the hook by having attendees sign something promising not to sue him or his campaign if they get sick. What about all the innocent bystanders who will be exposed when attendees go back out into their communities?

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      “…“…That (Covid-19) could go a long way toward wiping out the dregs of humanity before the election.”- Patrecia Barrett, 6-18-20

      Isn’t that what you are hoping for, Patrecia? That the ‘dregs of humanity’ will be wiped out?

      • Avatar Joey Nicoletti says:

        Alright doug,
        Thats about enough. I just went and read the comment. She does not state that she is hoping for the dregs to be wiped out. She merely points out that it is a possibility. Pointing something out is not hoping for it. Really that is about the best we can do with the deplorables. If we all stood up and said ” Dont do that people will get hurt” Do you think that would stop them? or do you think that would make them more inclined to do it? We cant save them from themselves so we are reduced to observing from a safe distance. Step away from the keyboard brother you sound more unhinged by the day.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          No Joey…it is not enough. Let’s look at the entire quote. “…If it weren’t for all the innocent people they might later infect, I’d say let them have their rallies every day. That could go a long way toward wiping out the dregs of humanity before the election.”
          Let’s flip it…let’s say that I made the same quote talking about BLM protesters. Would you be as tolerant if I made that comment? I think not.

          I sound unhinged because I call someone out for calling the 61 million people that voted for Trump ‘dregs of humanity’ and hope they die of Covid-19?

          • Avatar jeff says:

            Perhaps Less could get a penny whistle and lead them over the cliff.

          • Avatar Joey Nicoletti says:

            A) Nice way to completely ignore the point. She didn’t say that she hopes they will die
            B) Yeah I would be just as OK with that being said about BLM protestors. If you are stupid enough to go out and congregate you get what you deserve.
            C) Yes you do sound unhinged

    • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

      “…warned by the CDC that he’s creating the most dangerous situation possible.”

      Trump stands to be regarded as the most reckless, selfish president in history. The has the potential to blow up into a disaster rivaling Enola gay’s bomb drop on Hiroshima for lives lost, recovery costs, and human suffrage. Embracing this avenue of unnecessary risk makes as much sense as hosting an open orgy during the height of the AIDs epidemic. There oughta be laws in place that preclude such outright recklessness. Unbelievable.

  69. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    14 new cases in SC today. WHO warns of entering into “dangerous phase” as pandemic fatigue drives folks out of shelter in reopening process. Trump rally begins tomorrow, and OK Supreme Court refuses to enforce CDC guidelines at BOK. Fauci and Birx tried to dissuade Trump’s Tulsa excursion this week, guess he told them to F*** off cuz it’s party time.

    T for Tulsa, T for Tennessee…
    T for Thelma, the gal that made a wreck outta me…

    It ain’t pretty…

  70. Avatar Fact Check says:

    Pet Peeve: Juneteenth was NOT the end of slavery in the US. It was merely the end of slavery in Texas. Legal slavery remained in effect in Delaware, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Missouri, New Jersey, Tennessee, Washington DC, and West Virginia until the adoption of the 13th Amendment six months later on December 18th.

    But wait, you say, Tennessee and Louisiana were Confederate States and Juneteenth definitely marked the end of slavery in the Confederacy! Not so, in addition to the pro-Union slave states, the Emancipation Proclamation also excluded any Confederate territory under Union control at the time of the proclamation.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Feckless Check — Weaksauce attempt to de-legitimize Juneteenth, buddy. Nobody cares. The date on your calendar isn’t what’s being celebrated.

      • Avatar George Orwell says:

        Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.

  71. Avatar Miguel says:

    True enough. Also true that the black community themselves have chosen this date to commemorate. It grew up organically .. of their own efforts .. and their own traditions.

    Given the general squishiness of dates, historical accuracy, observation and intent on other observed holidays …. (Christmas, Thanksgiving, President’s Day, Memorial Day) … I don’t think Juneteenth really suffers much by comparison.

    • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

      In a hood wink – dog whistle fashion – to white nationalists in his following, Clorox The Criminal Idiot, picked Juneteenth, a sacred African American Holliday, celebrating the Emancipation of slavery, and Tulsa, where a hundred years ago white nationalists racists killed over 300 peaceful African Americans, wounding thousands and destroying a complet section of a city, to make a “comeback?” And Clorox snivels about Seattle? Clorox has been sued over 3,500 times, made his fans sign a statement saying they will not sue him if they contract Covid 19 in Tulsa today. And Clorox snivels about Seattle?

      After this nation became alarmed of Clorox’s blatant display of his racsim, Clorox changed the date…. to June 20, and tweeted, threat: “Any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are going to Oklahoma please understand, you will not be treated like you have been in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis. It will be a much different scene!”

      The PIG, who celebrates his white nationalist storm trouper militias when they occupy state capitals with assault riffles but seems to forget that protesting by people that don’t worship and bow down to him have the constitutional right to protest.

      But many of Clorox The criminal Idiot worshipers will be kissing his ring today and Clorox told the Tulsa police chief and mayor to withdraw the curfew around the BOK Center so they could be in the streets. Perhaps Clorox is hoping his tiki torche brown shirts “very fine people” will hold another Charlottesville white supremacist rally today in Tulsa in honor of his want-to-be-fascist presidency?

      Or could Clorox be freaking out that the Supreme Court, who has not exactly kiss his ass this week, is about to hand down a decision on Deutsche Bank and this is why Clorox tried to fire the US Attorney from the Southern District of New York, Geoffrey S. Berman, who is about to use the Deutsch information to unload a shit storm on Criminal Idiot that would expose a ton of Criminal Idiot’s collusion with Russia and his money laundering crimes?

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Also in the news, Der Pumpkinführer’s campaign gets caught using the NAZI symbol worn in concentration camps by political prisoners or those caught assisting Jews—an upside-down red triangle. The ads were removed by Facebook.

        Team Trump’s defense? “It’s an emoji.” No denial of the icon’s meaning—just that a red upside-down triangle is available as a Facebook emoji (as is a right-side-up triangle). That’s like saying that they used a NAZI swastika in their FB posts because it’s available as an emoji. (It isn’t, but the logic is the same.)

        It’s like Salome’s dance of the seven veils. The Trumplings are dropping their veils, one by one, to reveal themselves as the neo-fascists that they are.

        • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

          Dropping their veils, GOD, that’s an ugly picture, kind of like dropping their drawers… Question is, will they complet enough of their agenda to find away to cancel the elections?

  72. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    The fact, that most posters on here half ignore, is that whether it is Trump rallies or BLM protests they are ignoring CDC warnings that they are likely to spread COVI. Phoenix is scheduled for ONE Trump rally while the streets have been filled with BLM protestors every single night going on almost three weeks now.
    Arizona is one of the states rising in COVI cases and deaths and we haven’t had a Trump rally yet.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Bruce — In response to one of Doug’s similar comments, I said without reservation or qualification that they’re all reckless and stupid.

      It’ll be of interest to epidemiologists to see if either type of event results in outbreaks. The conditions are not exactly the same. Both involve the kind of yelling and cheering that has Dr. Fauci worried about plans to allow crowds at NFL games this year (drawing Trump’s quick rebuke). But Trump’s rallies will be indoors, more tightly packed, with longer exposure periods to the same people because of seating (rather than marching), and with very few people willing to don masks because Trump and his goons have politicized them.

      George Carlin used to have a bit about Shriners doing a lot of anti-drug lobbying and such. Carlin pointed out that alcohol was not only excluded from their efforts, but extensively abused among their ranks, with the usual deleterious impacts on health.

      “And that’s why I always say, ‘Drink up, Shriners!'” he’d conclude.

      One regular here would respond that my allusion to that joke is wishing illness and death upon the Trump rally attendees, if he hadn’t some time back sworn off responding to my comments. (Man, I’ve enjoyed having the final word for a change. Thanks, DC!). Nonsense—I don’t wish the illness upon them or anyone else. I’d just enjoy the delicious irony of a self-inflicted outbreak among deniers who deny because they believe every idiocy that Trump utters to them.

      • Avatar Ed Marek says:

        The good news?

        Only one person on the planet cares so little for human life as to demand that the pandemic be exacerbated by intentional mass infection.

        The bad news?

        That person, in violation of the Constitution, is allowed to remain in the office of President of the United States:

        “Officials worry Trump’s Tulsa rally will be ‘perfect storm’ for coronavirus spike

        …“As best I can tell, there’s nowhere in the world that’s doing large indoor events,” said state Rep. Monroe Nichols, a Democrat who represents Tulsa. “Definitely not events with 20,000 people in the middle of a global pandemic. It’s just not a thing.”

        Trump’s rally Saturday is “a worst case scenario. It’s a perfect storm for the further spread of the virus,” Nichols added.

        Oklahoma has seen a sharp rise in the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases since the state lifted most restrictions related to the pandemic earlier this month. Tulsa County has the largest number of cases of any county in the state, according to state data…

        Dr. Anthony Fauci, the Trump administration’s top infectious disease expert, also weighed in on the rally in Tulsa, saying this week that he wouldn’t attend and suggesting that an outdoor campaign event with “no crowd” was preferable to a crowded indoor gathering…”

      • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

        Thanks, Steve, for this: “I don’t wish the illness upon them or anyone else. I’d just enjoy the delicious irony of a self-inflicted outbreak among deniers who deny because they believe every idiocy that Trump utters to them.” No one wants anyone to contract the virus or die from it. But, I, too, would enjoy the “delicious irony” if we see a full-blown eruption after Tulsa.

      • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

        Delicious irony of a full blown eruption? We are having a full blown eruption here in Arizona already. I would at least expect a little sympathy from safe Shasta County posters but I guess I was wrong. And I hope you stay safe in Shasta County and avoid a delicious irony of a full blown eruption there because it isn’t delicious in any sense of the word. I can tell you that with first hand knowledge.

        • Avatar Ed Marek says:

          Why is Arizona in this disastrous predicament?

          Ranking worst among the worst, the the four states that both have infections more than doubling every two weeks, and with new infection rates higher than .01% per day?

          Quite a coincidence that all four of those states voted for trump 2016, isn’t it?

          Sympathy? of course.

          How else could you feel for the mentally disturbed, committing mass suicide?

          • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

            In 2018 the Blue Wave hit Arizona and a bunch of Democrats replaced Republicans at the local, state and national level. And then the COVI hit.
            Sympathy? Yes, for the mentally disturbed who blame it on Republicans.

          • Avatar Ed Marek says:

            Anyone “who blame(d) it on Republicans” would be wrong, but not necessarily “mentally disturbed”.

            I have never held legitimate Republicans responsible for the over 100,000 unnecessary American COVID-19 deaths to date, I blame the debased trumpists, like your governor:

            “In national spotlight with COVID-19, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey avoids aggressive response

            In the early weeks of the COVID-19 pandemic, Gov. Doug Ducey brushed off criticism he was acting too slowly to curb its spread by pointing to other parts of the country.

            “What’s going on in Arizona is dramatically different than what’s going on in New York and New Jersey,” he said during a March 27 radio interview, explaining why several other governors had closed schools, shuttered restaurants and issued stay-at-home orders before he had.

            “We’re in a position where we can prepare and we can plan,” Ducey said.

            For a few months, that was true.

            But now — a month after Ducey allowed his statewide stay-at-home order to expire, despite warnings from some epidemiologists — the state has drawn national attention for the steep incline of its COVID-19 curve. And other state leaders, such as Gov. Jared Polis of Colorado, are eyeing Arizona the way Ducey once looked at New York.

            As he has done throughout the pandemic, the governor waited until the data and public pressure were overwhelming to implement measures to combat the virus.

            By the time he announced Wednesday that he would let local governments impose mask policies and expand contact tracing, hospitals were reporting more than 2,000 new cases a day and nearly 1,000 medical professionals had begged for a statewide mask mandate.

            At a press briefing, he acknowledged the state was “headed in the wrong direction” and that he’d made “mistakes” — statements that went further than those from Republican governors in similarly hard-hit Florida and Texas.

            But he continued to resist taking more aggressive action, indicating he had no plans to pause the state’s reopening, as Utah’s governor has done, or implement the type of statewide mask requirements seen in New Jersey, New York and elsewhere. Instead, he repeatedly stressed personal responsibility…”


            Can you imagine a legitimate republican like President Eisenhower, Ford, or Reagan or even one of the incompetent Bush’s, making such an asinine statement?

            Nobody who supports trump in his assault on the Republic deserves to be referred to as a member of Abraham Lincoln’s Party.

          • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

            Ed I did not read your long winded feeble excuse like I don’t read most of your long winded feeble excuses. Shasta County went overwhelming for Trump and all Republicans in every election and is relatively free of COVI Which proves COVI is non political. A new study has shown how COVI travels interstates and one of those interstates is I5. Better worry about your own area.
            What I find is delicious irony is, that despite all the liberals on Anews protests, is that Bethel has taken over Redding lock, stock and barrel.

          • Avatar Ed Marek says:

            “…I did not read….”


            The ignorance of your reply shows that you don’t read much at all.

  73. Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

    “We are going hard on the charge,” Bannon, Trump’s former chief strategist and executive chairman of Breitbart, told me. “Pack’s over there (VOA) to clean house.” Clorox the Criminal Idiot continues his creep towards fascism. Clorox, who states in fascist fashion that “The Media IS The Enemy Of The People,” and who is getting tired of Fox News calling him out on all his lies, decided to take over VOA, a taxpayer funded beacon for Democracy, fire the whole so he can use it for his own fascist propaganda network.

    This right-wing attack on America and Democracy, is a dangerous affront and warning of what a next term of a Clorox The Criminal Idiot’s presidency! I just put more money in the New Cafe’s tip jar. At lest we still have one beacon of the First Amendment here in The North State!

  74. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    Trump’s choice of time and place for his Rally for Racists was no coincidence – it’s a deliberate slap in the face to every Black person in America.

    He is also no doubt hoping the large number of Black people already in the area will bring out massive protests, and that some protestors will get out of line so he can exploit that to incite his base.

    Of course nowhere has he acknowledged what the intelligence community has determined – that white supremacists groups are behind most incidents of violence and destruction, in an effort to discredit BLM protestors and their cause.

  75. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    Hockey stick forming on Shasta county confirmed cases graph?

    “6:12 p.m., Saturday, June 20

    Four more cases of COVID-19 confirmed in Shasta County

    Shasta County reported Saturday evening that it had confirmed four new cases of COVID-19.

    Shasta County has now reported a total of 80 confirmed cases of the virus. On Friday, 14 new coronavirus cases were reported…”

  76. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    Consider this:

    Want to see how bad the pandemic can be at worst?
    Brazil is currently considered to have the highest RO value in the world. They have performed =2.4 M tests with ~1.2M positives. By comparison, the US has performed ~23M tests with ~2.2M positives. The per capita testing ratio is approx the same at a 10-1 ratio.

    Without compensations for variables of population density, ruralities, lockdown benefits, NPIs, etc…
    These data suggest a projected case load upwards of 55-75M…
    Of all the current global hotspots…
    Brazil holds the promise of taking over the #1 caseload spot from the US, despite reporting their first case 3/3/20.

  77. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    Also consider this:

    Although the “superspreader” (SS) event has been recognized as a real phenomenon, it lacks definition and remains outside any recognizable pattern of transmission that might be predicted.

    In late February, the first COVID SS event was described at a Marriott Hotel in Boston Ma. where 170 management employees of Biogen Idec met over luncheon. Here’s a description of what ensued, taken from a March FierceBiopharma:

    “Just as COVID-19 started spreading within the U.S., Biogen hosted a meeting of about 170 managers in Boston. Afterward, dozens became sick. Many traveled back to their home states or to Europe, playing a role in outbreaks elsewhere.
    Aside from contributing to dozens of early cases in Massachusetts, employees carried infections to six states, the District of Columbia., and three countries, the New York Times reported Sunday.”

  78. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    Trump’s big Tulsa rally was a bust. At least a third of the seats were empty, and Trump was forced to cancel his first speech to people in the overflow area because almost no one was there.

    Of course he blamed it on “radical protestors” and aggressive media people supposedly scaring his adherents away, but nothing like that was actually going on.

    His main speech was just a bunch of unhinged ravings, racist remarks, and his usual lies and delusions.

    • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

      Patricia, hopefully his Phoenix rally will also fizzle.

      • Steve TowerS Steve TowerS says:

        I think there’s going to be a huge attempted face-saving campaign for the next rally, With a lot more care given to ticket distribution, so I wouldn’t count on it.

        But we can hope the teens find a clever way to hack the next event, too. They’ll certainly have the total bumble-fuck ineptitude of Team Trump in their favor.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      The President and his COVID-depleted campaign staff got plunked by a bunch of teen TikTok users and K-Pop fans. So much winning.

      If you watched any of Orange Mussolini’s performance, you were treated to the usual stream-of-consciousness airing of grievances, paranoid delusions, petty insults, wildly fictional boasts, cheap threats, bald-faced lies, and gibberish. Hella, hella gibberish.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        *got punked. Damned spellchecker.

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

        Ticket hacking doesn’t explain the almost complete absence of an overflow crowd. As far as I can determined, Trump’s 2016 rallies all had thousands of people in overflow areas watching on massive screens, and hoping to get a live glimpse of their white supremacist hero. I think this probably tells us that Trump is losing support – even among the dregs of humanity.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          You must be disappointed that fewer ‘dregs of humanity’ will die now.

        • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

          Google the name Mary Jo Laupp. She apparently crafted a Tik Tok – based ploy to encourage users to reserve rally tickets, only to no show. She is said to be a former campaign worker for Pete Buttigieg. Pretty clever scam, but not if she doesn’t end up on jail, of course.

          The scope of such a fraud could easily be viewed as a felony, no?

      • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

        Steve, can you think of a way they can prevent people from ordering tickets?

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          This pandemic works well for the Biden campaign. It allows him to hide in his basement and avoid his frequent loose tongue gaffes. With the lockdowns ending, Biden will lose his advantage of staying out of the spotlight. His numerous “senior moments” will be of a concern for many Democrats.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            After Trump’s incredibly deranged two hour rant at the rally, his plan to cut back on testing and risk countless American lives, and his apparent decision to devote the rest of his campaign to promoting racism, violence, and division (per my link below), I can’t imagine how anyone in their right mind could conceivably compare Biden’s occasional harmless wanderings to Trump’s phenomenally harmful flat-out lunacy.

          • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

            Conversely, this pandemic works well for the Trump campaign. It allows him openly flaunt his total lack of understanding of pandemic science, and blabber on relentlessly about issues he knows nothing about. With the lockdowns ending, Trump will lose his advantage of targeted grandstanding, as many of his constituents will have abandoned their conservative bent and sided with the DNC. Trump’s numerous moments of self-embellished reality in which he fabricates truths to align with his agenda will be of concern to Republicans.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Here is my take on the election, Bill. I am inclined to not support the president for reelection for a number of reasons. A president’s 2nd term is usually more difficult than the first. The country experimented with electing a populist candidate, a non politician. For the most part it has been a failure and I believe the country is in need of a more professional politician. The political division that is sweeping the country, the acrimony…I have had enough of it. Some of it is because of the president, most of it is because of the obsession the left has on every move the president makes.

          That’s not saying that President Trump was not effective. He tackled issues that other presidents ignored. But of course anything good that he has done is ignored by his distractors.

          Biden will be a one term (if he lasts that long) seat-filler president. He won’t do much in his 4 years, he’ll probably have a chance to fill a SCOTUS position…but he will nominate a moderate that few will have an issue with. Having Biden, will set up the GOP for a solid run in 2024 with I assume will be Nikki Haley as the leading GOP candidate.

          Of course, Biden could easily screw this up as Hillary did. Usually it is the incumbent that wants to limit debates…but it is Biden that does not want to debate? Wonder why. Unlike many of you…I don’t consider the president the ‘King’ of the country, but just one branch of the federal government. What affects our life more is the local elections, our city council members, our state representatives, our Congressmen.

          Biden’s VP? Mark my words…I can guarantee that he will select Sen. Tammy Duckworth. Sen Duckworth is a U.S. Army veteran and Purple Heart recipient who is also a minority…and disabled if you want to check all the boxes that are oh so important to the left. I have always like her and she would be attractive to many moderate Republicans like me. Kamala Harris would not be.

          • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

            WOW! Hold the press…. Hmmmmm, well, change could do you good. T. Duckworth is a good pick…. out of many!

          • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:


          • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

            Thanks, Doug. My take is far simpler.
            Trump was a mistake from the start – a poor choice to represent this – or any nation. A national leader should have a minimum equipment list of developed skills, military background , and political experience. Sorry, but the Donald was never much more than a business-buttinsky, real estate dreamer slumlord that went the way of reality TV.

            I consider myself to be a Relpublican. For the sake of this discussion, I’m a never Trumper. I simply never saw in Trump, the qualities I would require of a leader.

            Conversely, Biden’s no huckleberry. He is the weakest of a weak party, but I also believe that Biden knows his weaknesses, and will be evermore inclined to surround himself in cabinet members that have talent, knowledge, and background. One of Trump’s major failings was surrounding himself with a merry of round of disposable nametags. I don’t imagine we will see a counterpart for a Jared Kushner in any Biden camp. If the Bolton tell-all has any credibility whatever, Trump will fall under a landslide of Republicans swinging left right out of the balloting gate.

            America’s had enough. Up until the pandemic broke, I would’ve said Trump had a chance at re-up. In the wake of the subsequent COVID crisis, the testing crisis, the failure to acknowledge expert opinion crisis, the civil rights fiasco, the police defunding fiasco, and Trumps continued insistance of holding absolute authority only to abdicate responsibility to others…variously the States, Obama, Hillary, China, WHO, CDC – as he has done repeatedly for the last 6 months…well…
            I gotta say he’s done. It’s over. Kaput. Trump wasn’t a great choice looking back, and Biden isn’t a great choice looking forward. The country is at impasse, and widely ready for change. It’s as simple as that.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Hal, If you have followed my past comments, you would know that I did not support a Trump candidacy and did not vote for Trump. I didn’t vote for Clinton either. After the election I was pleased with a lot of what the president accomplished, but was disappointed in many aspects of his presidency. I thought he would put together a solid team of advisors…he did not. I thought he would become more presidential and put away the Tweeting…he did not. The president wants a bunch of yes men…that just doesn’t work. But I never thought that the media would be as biased against him as they are. 90 % of news reports on Trump are negative. That is one reason I come to his defense a lot on here. That fake news, the misstatement, the obsession with Trump is too much for me to take. When comments are made that Trump voters are ‘dregs of humanity’ as my friend Patrecia calls the 61 million voters that cast their vote for Trump or they are Nazis and racists…I just can’t sit idly by and let that pass.

            As I said, it was a good experiment… I clearly remember after he won, all the hyperbole, the pearl clutching about Trump starting WWIII, he’ll start a nuclear war…you remember that don’t you? Of course none of that happened. Trump governed fairly moderately for the most part. Excuse me for not thinking he is some sort of evil master. He did a lot of good things, he did a lot that wasn’t great…the same as Obama and every other president. The difference is Obama rarely got scrutinized by the press, or Democrats, whereas Trump’s every word that comes out of his mouth is a new scandal…it is tiresome, and I’m over it.

            I would have preferred a better Democrat candidate to look at. If you think Biden is the answer…you are mistaken. As I said, Biden will be a seat-filler president that hopefully won’t do much in his 4 years….I can live with that.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Bill…Just think how boring this comment section will be with Trump out and Biden in…yawn

            I’m not willing to say that Trump was a mistake from the start, it was a reasonable experiment. It was obvious that the electorate was tired of the status quo and wanted a change. I was as surprised as any with the success of a Trump campaign. I was pushing for Rubio and then became a Cruz fan.

            Obama didn’t have a lot of skills or experience…he was a community organizer and a Senator for a cup of coffee. I guess he was a pretty good politician which helped. But all presidents learn on the job. I don’t hold that against Trump.

            I fully agree with you that the country is at impasse, and widely ready for change. I just don’t know if Biden can pull it off. There is every indication as we open up…the economy will improve faster than thought. That wouldn’t be good news for Biden. It is what makes me suspicious about what I think is the left’s desire to put the worst face forward with the virus, squelch the good news, promote the gloom and doom news and try to pin the blame on the president.

          • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

            Doug, I do recall some comments you’ve made about not voting for Trump. I admit that I conveniently forgot about those comments in order to have some fun at your expense.

            But, if you are to force me to be serious, I will say that you’ve nailed it in regard to Ms. Duckworth. It’s hard to imagine a better running mate for Biden due to the reasons you’ve cited.

            However, you forgot to mention what truly elevates Tammy Duckworth over other potential running mates: she’s a helicopter pilot.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Hal…I will overlook that part of her resume.

          • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

            Oh, man. MEDIC!!!!

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Doug Cook,

            If 90 percent of mainstream media coverage of Trump is bad, that’s only because 90 percent of what he does is HORRIBLE.

            No other president has directly inspired several mass shootings, multiple other murders, and a staggering amount of violence against groups he’s constantly scapegoating (and he’s now doubling down on that rhetoric).

            No other president loaded the highest levels of our federal government with totally unqualified God-in-government religious fascists, or expended so much effort to try and deprive groups they hate of employment, housing, and other hard-won basic rights.

            Even the so-called “good things” you think he’s done (and are always touting), like “opportunity zones” are set up as massive taxpayer-financed give-aways to wealthy developers (like Trump and his son-in-law) so they can go in and gentrify poor neighborhoods with swanky upscale housing and other projects that force poor people into the streets, and in no way benefit them.

            Black employment rose steadily during Obama’s two terms, which has not only slowed under Trump, but there is now a widening disparity between wages for Blacks and Whites.

            He made baby concentration camps standard practice, and wanted to just shoot down asylum-seekers at the border en masse (he actually had to be told that mass murder is illegal).

            He has come to the defense of Nazis and other white supremacists at every opportunity, and has repeatedly called them “very fine people”.

            Now he wants to stop testing and just throw the country wide open, despite the fact that there are now huge surges in illness in half the states (and you actually believe that hundreds of thousands of deaths are a hoax).

            Trump is not like any other president. He’s a deranged, criminally corrupt sociopath.

          • Avatar Ed Marek says:

            While Tammy Duckworth would be my personal choice, I think Kamala Harris is the most likely pick for VP.

            Even though America’s oil wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were both lost during W’s first term, many Americans have invested far too much over the last generation to ever accept that reality.

            Duckworth would probably be most capable of bringing these two multigenerational multinational nightmares to a (near) peaceful end.

            If Biden does choose Duckwroth, we should expect the trumpists to mount a double-barreled frenzy of “birther” and “swift-boat”attacks against her.

          • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

            Look, no one is saying that all Clorox’s supporters are Nazi and or white nationalist confederate hold outs. That would be absurd. No, that said, Clorox does hood wink – pander to the hard right section of his base that include both the former and latter and espouse racist thinking and behavior. I do think he is a racist, sexist and elitist, and we all know he will go down in herstory as one of the most open faced lairs the nation has ever had. He and his punks that make up much of his administration are not only dangerous but have been destructive over the last few years, putting Democracy, the life of many, our safety, our health and wellbeing, at risk like no other “president” has before him.

            I heard this the other day and it’s important. We all know their are racists in this country, but now, due to everything going on, many people are waking up and beginning to understand that our county is racist, meaning that our collective systems are racist, as in systemic. This nation started that way and still is in lesser but affecting way, unjust, unequal for many and damaging to all in detrimental ways.

  79. Avatar Candace says:

    Steve, a person in my family got 2 tickets using the name Hugh Jass. He was not alone.

  80. Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

    Many of you have come up with clever epithets for Trump. Here’s one I saw on The Lincoln Project’s Facebook page: Agolf Twitler.

    Btw, The Lincoln Project has created powerful anti-Trump ads that they’re running in swing states. The ads are so good that I’ve donated to help fund them. You can see them on Scroll down and click on “View Update.”

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      It never ceases to amuse me how obsessed you all are about anything Trump.

      • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

        For anyone who thinks trump is not worthy of obsession is someone who is blindly accepting of the danger, the hypocrisy, the racism and un-American attributes the pos exposes everyday.

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

        The country has never had a deranged sociopath with the emotional maturity of a spoiled 5 year old as president before (at least not in my 81 years).

        However, he’s crafty enough to have gone a long way toward implementing fascism in America. Our federal government in now in the hands of fanatical Christian Nationalists, since control by fundamentalist religion is a prerequisite of fascism – it creates a docile, dumbed-down population that will accept any action of its leaders as “God’s will”.

        Scapegoating is another requirement of fascism, which Trump has based his campaign and presidency on. You can’t have fascism without easily recognizable – and relatively powerless – scapegoats the Master Race (white Christians of European decent) can blame all their problems on.

        • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

          Doug, it never ceases to concern me that you are a propionate and passionate supporter of Clorox, a racist, bigoted, sexist, class elitist, want – to – be – fascist, as the supposed figurehead of America and leader of the free world. The rotten stench of Clorox and his tRumpublicans is permeating, threatening America and putting at risk our Democracy itself.

          Before he came to power in Germany, some people were also “obsessed” about another want – to – be dictator, you know, the guy that wrote a book that Clorox kept on his bedside night table? Hope you wake the —- up!

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            LOL…Goodwin’s Law

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            It should now be obvious to every person in America that Trump is ALL about promoting racism and violence, dividing the country, and gaining power by exploiting the basest instincts of the stupidest, most malignant voters. He has apparently decided to go full-on Hitler during the rest of his campaign:


          • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

            Doug thinks these posts would be boring if trump were not the potus

            My how soon people’s memories are so short or so easily forgotten.
            Evidently Doug has selective memory concerning the blatant racism aimed at Obama. Almost on a daily basis across America.
            Ridiculed for his attempt at his beer summit.
            Daily accused of not being a legal citizen.
            Scoffed at for trying to bring climate change to the forefront.
            Called a traitor for bringing Iran into a peaceful agreement.
            The daily attacks against Michelle Obama’s for promoting healthy lifestyles.

            Part of people like Doug’s selective recall can only be attributed to one thing.
            His defense of trumps stupidity and egalitarian governing are attributed to a single thought process.

            They are OK with systemic racism, with institutional hate toward anyone not falling in line with trumps advance to fascism.

            Regardless of who is elected in 2020, there will be plenty of issues to discuss, to argue about. The potus has many brain dead followers who will jump at any opportunity to continue their war on normalcy.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Chad, why do you immediately go to racism when anyone criticizes the policies of Obama? That right there is the core of the problem…because Obama was black, nobody can criticize any policy of his? If you do, you are a racist? I opposed the Iran deal…not because it was a black president that accomplished it…but because it was a bad deal.

            I didn’t vote for Obama because he was black, I didn’t vote for him because I disagreed with most of his policies and he was too liberal for my taste. But to the guilty white is all about race.

            The frequent attacks on Melania Trump seem to be acceptable to you. Why? Because she is white? Or that she is married to Trump?

            Selective recall, Chad? Stand in line.

          • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

            “The frequent attacks on Melania Trump seem to be acceptable to you. Why? Because she is white? Or that she is married to Trump?”

            Doug, do you not remember how Michelle Obama was treated by Fox and other right-leaning media outlets? Just imagine that she had been born in another country and had been featured in the sort of photo shoots that Melania had appeared in. Sheesh, do you think the right-leaning news outlets would have been the model of restraint? Do you think the right-leaning news outlets are the model of restraint NOW?

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Hal…can you give me some examples of how Fox treated Michelle Obama? I used to watch Fox quite a bit back then and don’t remember much other than criticism of some of her causes. I know she took some flack when she made the comment about “…never been proud of America until now” She took some heat over her school lunch program that was a dud. But overall, I think she was treated rather fairly. You can go back to Laura Bush and the lefts disgusting narrative about Mrs Bush killing a man as an example of the left’s attack on First Ladys.

            Our current First Lady was a super model…many supermodels pose in provocative layouts. Big deal. My good friend Patrecia like to call her a ‘sleazy porn star’. Think that’s fair? How many attacks have she taken over her fshion sense and what she wears? Melania Trump has been a fine First Lady. She is obviously uncomfortable in the public spotlight so is not as active as many past First Lady’s. But that’s fine…we don’t elect First Ladys and there is no requirement that they have to push policies or a cause.

            Again…I go back and reject the assertion that any criticism of President Obama is because of racism as Chad was insinuating.

    • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

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        The ads are at the bottom. I hope you like them as much as I do.

  81. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    These are unprecedented times. As such, I am incredulous that there is no mechanism of enforcement that can be enlisted by public health officials to create enforceable policy. There simply shouldn’t be an interpretable option in the enforcement chain that permits law enforcement to undermine sound, reasonable, evidence-based policy with such a blanket statement as “We will not enforce mask usage cuz we don’t need no stinking masks, we don’t want no stinking masks, so we won’t wear no stinking masks.”

    It sets an ugly, ineffective, Neanderthalic precedent of under-informed response to a unique biological imperative, such as is SARS COV2. The implementation of public health policy should have a emergency rider that prioritizes policy adherence during crisis. Further to this…

    When alien abductions finally reach epidemic proportion, and the Grays are carting off conservatives by the Mothership-full for sexual experimentation, sexploitation, and ultimate processing into Soylent Green – I promise you I will remember this time of selective responsibility. Not only will I remember, I’ll be first in line to do absolutely nothing except cheer ‘em on while they load up, and prep the LZ for their return.

  82. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    The USA is the only Developed country in the world that has no coherent federal response to the virus.

  83. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    The truth about the novel human diseases that cause pandemics is that THEY are not looking for us.

    When we plunder the last natural biotic communities on our planet, WE are looking for them…

    “‘Like Poking a Beehive’: The Worrisome Link Between Deforestation And Disease

    …Zoonotic spillover

    A disease that jumps from animals to humans is called a zoonosis. The jump itself — the event in which a pathogen jumps from animal to human or vice versa — is called a zoonotic spillover, or simply a spillover. And it’s more common than you might think.

    Six out of every ten diseases in humans, and three-quarters of the world’s emerging infectious diseases, are zoonotic.

    Many of them are familiar: Salmonella, malaria, Lyme disease. Others, like Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever or Rift Valley Fever, are more rare. Some are benign. Others, like the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, can be deadly.

    For a spillover to occur, a number of things need to line up.

    First, a pathogen (think: virus, bacteria, fungus) needs to find a way to make the jump from animal to human…

    However the pathogen arrives, its next job is to stick the landing, so to speak, warding off or evading the new body’s defenses long enough for it to replicate and put down roots.

    All of this can be made easier for a pathogen by a simple thing: proximity.

    The closer humans are to animals (we’re usually the provocateur), the greater the likelihood of interactions between them, and the greater the opportunity for zoonotic spillover…”

    • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

      A spillover occurrence I recently read about was viruses and bacteria from unusually fat animals (due to the virus or bacteria) can infect humans causing them also to be overfat no matter what their diet.

  84. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    Good find, Ed.

    In addition to issues of emerging disease due to deforestation, there have been documented encounters with ‘so-called “zombie” infections that emerge from the permafrost under unprecedented thaw conditions, generally attributed to global warming. You can read about that phenomenon here:

    Further to this, there have been instances of “zombie” bacterial infection amongst archeologists working permafrost digs in Alaska – a compelling warning that suggests precautions become a mandate of exploring Earth’s past.

  85. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    I found this story interesting and is a good representation of where we are at nowdays. NPR posted a story with a headline, ““Vehicle Attacks Rise As Extremists Target Protesters” and they posted a clip of a car going through a crowd. Except the video was edited, and did not show what really happened. That the car was surrounded, that protesters reached into her car, grabbing her hair, one pointed a gun at her..and she did the smart thing, she got out of there. She hit a protester that was rushing towards her. Arrests were made, the handgun was recovered.

    If I was in a similar situation, I would do exactly the same thing, especially if I had my family in the car. Wouldn’t you? How irresponsible of NPR to further stoke racial tensions unnecessarily by a heavily edited video clip.

  86. Avatar Miguel says:

    “Vehicle Attacks” there’s a plural involved. Something like 50 reported? But of course the real story here is NPR stoking racial tensions.

    Here is NPR’s story this morning (accessed online minutes after the above post):
    Editor’s note: A previous version of this story included a photo of a protester being struck by a car in Louisville, Kentucky. The photo, chosen by editors, does not appear to be an example of the assaults described in the story, and has been replaced. Police have not charged the driver, but have charged two of the protesters involved in that incident. Authorities continue to investigate.

    Right-wing extremists are turning cars into weapons, with reports of at least 50 vehicle-ramming incidents since protests against police violence erupted nationwide in late May.

    At least 18 are categorized as deliberate attacks; another two dozen are unclear as to motivation or are still under investigation, according to a count released Friday by Ari Weil, a terrorism researcher at the University of Chicago’s Chicago Project on Security and Threats. Weil has tracked vehicle-ramming attacks, or VRAs, since protests began.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      NPR retracted the story after the backlash of the heavily edited video. Hence the Editor’s note. It was false reporting. Why are you making excuses for them? I will ram anyone that threatens me and tries to attack me in my car. Google Reginald Denny as an example.

      • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

        Hey Doug, so you knew NPR retracted but needed to have some liberal media (the enemy of the people) to try and make a point? At lest they retracted, somthing fox news and Clorox never does. Next time perhaps you don’t use the tactics of the alt-right and the Clorox press team by passing along bullshit out of context?

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          What was BS? NPR posted a misleading headline and tweet, and purposely left out pertinent parts of the video. Identifying the woman as an extremist. This was a woman in fear of her life…what would you have done if you were attacked like that? There were comments on here lambasting Fox because they used a picture from another protest and saying it was from Seattle…I’m just giving another example of improper reporting, but from a liberal news source.

          • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

            If you knew the story by NPR was retracted why did you post other than to mislead as an excuse to kick the “enemy of the people” in the nuts? Think NPR “purposely” left out video to skew and and promote a liberal agenda? Prove it. Think the leader of your political party Clorox ever retracts? The rest of the story seems to stand on its own, agreed?

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            “…Think NPR “purposely” left out video to skew and and promote a liberal agenda?”

            Yes I do. It happens all the time. The Covington students reporting is a good example. There is a reason CNN’s decided to settle a multimillion-dollar defamation lawsuit.

          • Avatar Michael Kuker says:

            I can’t imagine how reactionary you’d have to be to not see NPR for what it is—a painfully middle-of-the-road network that takes great pains to present “both sides” of a story, even when it’s abundantly clear that only one side is not a bald-faced lie.

          • Avatar Miguel says:

            NPR never posted the video (misleading or not) — they posted a still screen shot. And the story had to do with vehicle attacks (again, “attacks” multiple) on protesters, not the content of an individual video. Your takeaway — that NPR ran this story intending a deliberate distortion in order to stoke racial strife is — unique, at very best.

  87. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    COVID-19 will rage “like a forest fire”…

    Careful out there…

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Maybe that’s not a bad thing, Bill…we have all heard of herd immunity. It is important that many people get the virus. That will help eliminate it. The data confirms that the vast majority of us that get the virus are asymptomatic. I posted on here a while ago that I suspected that I caught Covid-19 way early on. I went to the VA a few weeks ago and got a antibody test..and sure enough I tested positive. I’m a 64 year old diabetic and I got through that illness relatively unscathed. I missed a week of work at the time, and suffered through about 6 weeks of respiratory issues. It was rough, but I got through it just fine.

      We can’t expect a zero risk factor. It is ok if people, especially healthy people test positive. I think how we should look at this is figure out what the Delta is of deaths compared to previous years. Do we know the death rate compared to say, last year. Is the number of deaths in the US appreciably higher than prior years? I don’t know that number. What if there is not a statistically higher number of deaths? it would be interesting to see that information.

      • Avatar Ed Marek says:

        Mr. Cook can pack an incredible amount of misinformation in just two paragraphs.

        Anybody need any particular false assertion or speculation he’s made here that needs to be refuted by the facts, yet again?

  88. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    “It was rough, but I got through it just fine.”

    Sorry to hear you were sick, Doug, and glad you survived, but I also expect you are aware of your good luck in surviving with multiple strikes against you. Here’s the most noteworthy thing regarding the long road to herd immunity, and the medical community agrees:

    If we go the long slow route without an effective treatment, a cure, or a vaccine, that long road will be riddled with the corpses of those less fortunate than you. Achieving herd immunity is only a viable strategy if you are willing to accept death in the millions…and possibly 10s of millions.

    Any plan that throws a generation of Baby Boomers under the bus is unlikely to be a popular choice…

    As far as US death rate info, I think it’s too early in the game, but the assumptions that have been published are large enough to concern. Disease modeling is as inexact as the assumptions that power the model, and those assumptions are yet evolving. Further to that, I suspect the larger assumptions remain classified for obvious national security reasons. No one at the top of this crisis wants a worse case scenario seeing early light, especially this being an election year.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      My positive test confirms that the virus was in California much earlier than thought, which probably helped California. In my current job, I am in contact with a number of Chinese nationals new to the country coming up from LA. I got sick during Christmas week… December 22nd to be exact, was in bed for a week and had adverse effects through mid Feb. I went to the VA urgent care on Dec 27th and the doctor told me it was a nasty virus that they have been seeing. They of course didn’t know what it was at the time.

      As we are seeing a spike in positive cases, is there a correlation with the number of deaths? I don’t know that number.

      • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

        “…there a correlation with the number of deaths?”

        Absolutely, and has it has been noted many times by Fauci and others, the death curve lags substantially behind the case load curve. There will eventually be a pricetag attached to the recent spike in case numbers, though it is likely to be a lesser percent than we have already seen, but that is based upon precautions being adhered to, as we can easily see is not the reality.

        Vulnerable populations, and those with comorbidities exercising accelerated caution will be a key factor. There is a huge element of unknown that remains in the genetic determinants of the cytokine storm that can accompany COVID induced pneumonia, even in the young. Given the dynamics of autoimmune response gone haywire, that subset of vulnerables may require research that has yet to be initiated.

        Giving blood, good for you! If there is a way out of this mess for us old geezers, it’ll be by a coordinated effort to hasten herd immunity. If we have to wait for it to take place naturally, there will a very dear cost to Baby Boomers. That’s not just my personal opinion, it is held by consensus of disease modelers across the globe.

        Those models are not getting much press, as they are not a popular read.
        …but they are out there. I know Trump has been briefed on this downside risk.

  89. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    Doug, all that pandemic gloom and doom covered…
    I encourage that you consider giving blood. The research endeavor surrounding treatment of COVID-driven illness is showing solid early results, and the least devastating path to herd immunity will surely revolve around some aspect of what is known as convalescent plasma therapy. By sharing antibodies with the uninflected, you hasten the advance of herd immunity, theoretically without sharing the severity of the disease. Personally, I think that’s worth waiting for…

    My own dad is 91, still plays golf 3 times weekly. I’d hate to see that sweet old guy shot down in COVID flames, though I sadly recognize the potential.
    Give blood. You could help make all the difference for your peers.
    Perhaps , even your own family.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Bill, I was encouraged by my doctor to give blood, which I have done already and will continue to do. My father is a bit older than yours, he is 92. It is a good thing I got as sick as I did right away, we were supposed to go to a large family gathering the day I took ill…I wasn’t feeling up to it so I stayed home. I would have hated infecting my father.

    • Avatar Candace says:

      My daughter and her live-in boyfriend thought they had the virus in early March but testing was not available at the time so they couldn’t make the claim that they were correct in their assumption. They stayed home anyway. Fast forward to June; a week ago they both chose to be tested for antibodies as both were wanting to give blood. My daughter tested negative for having the antibodies while her boyfriend tested positive. Same doctor, same lab. Due to their close proximity to one another I’m wondering if my daughter’s test result was a false positive for not having the antibodies. Meanwhile Chicago further opens up restaurants/bars, etc., where my daughter lives and works in the service industry. Imagine you wait on a table of 8 at a bar/restaurant. You as the server are required to wear a mask. The 8 customers are required (not an option) to wear masks as well with the exception of when they’re ordering, eating and/or drinking. Do the math. Now imagine a loud (music…young people excited to be out again…) environment where the customers need to shout out their orders (while unmasked) to the server in order to be heard. Not Ideal. Call me an alarmist but I’d rather my daughter, her boyfriend, friends, customers aren’t used as sacrificial lambs in order to prove out a herd-immunity experiment loosely based on “hope this works!”. My daughter doesn’t hold animosity towards her current employers as she thinks they’re being put in an impossible position and having to make impossible decisions regarding the safety of their employees in order to survive. That said, she’s in the process of looking for a job with a non-profit or progressive law-group that can be done remotely from her apartment. It’s a crapshoot as to whether she’ll successfully land a remote job but it’s better than doing nothing and settling for the crapshoot alternative; an alternative that carries the possibility of ending her young life. Needless to say, as her mother and as a caring human being, the latter crapshoot terrifies me. Vote Trump out. Just as important if not more, vote for progressive down ballot candidates. Please and pretty please.

      • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:


        I did a quick C&P of the essential info from the NIH website:

        “Specifically, the researchers determined that nearly all of the 285 patients studied produced a type of antibody called IgM, which is the first antibody that the body makes when fighting an infection. Though only about 40 percent produced IgM in the first week after onset of COVID-19, that number increased steadily to almost 95 percent two weeks later. All of these patients also produced a type of antibody called IgG. While IgG often appears a little later after acute infection, it has the potential to confer sustained immunity.”

        The IgG antibody is the important one, as it has durable response. It’s also important to understand that a small subset of the population has been determined to produce no antibodies at all, and these are thought to be vulnerable to reinfection.

        This antibody research is in it’s infancy, relative to the onset of COVID, and those kids (I presume) want to pay close attention going forward. Your daughter testing neg boyfriend testing positive is unlikely, given what is known of the high transmissibility of COVID, and I suspect false neg or your daughter lies in that small group of negated immune response.

  90. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    Doug Cook’s past stories about poor little right-wingers being attacked by big bad protestors have been wild distortions – if not outright fabrications.

    He once claimed that a group of protestors “attacked” an elderly man while he was just innocently driving down the street. As it turned out a very fit-looking older man actually broke through a red light so he could deliberately crash his Lexus into a group of protestors, hitting one person (he could have just as easily taken a one-block detour to avoid the protest). No one “attacked” or hindered this clown at any point.

    Another of Doug’s stories involved an elderly woman (a staged stunt) who approached a group of 3 or 4 protestors – instead of going around this small group – and repeatedly rammed a walker into their legs, no doubt hoping to get a violent reaction from them. They just kept chanting (which Doug likes to pretend was directed only at her, but could be heard all over the demonstration). Of course whatever right-wing group she was representing immediately plastered edited video all over the internet, with her complaining about how SHE was accosted, and her rights violated.

    I don’t know if his latest story is more of the same, but – at the very least – I suspect it’s a lot more two-sided than he implies.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Let’s look at that ‘staged stunt’…let people judge for themselves.

      By the way, the 81 year old lady in the walker’s crime? She wanted to see a speech by political candidate to be an informed voter. Oh, the horror. You are in favor of free speech, aren’t you Patrecia?

      Now let’s look at the ‘fit elderly man’ that was attacked by protesters. Notice the damage on his car from the attacks. Notice the drivers side window that was smashed out. Notice the protesters running after him and attacking him when he stopped to look at the damage of his car. Notice the girl shouting “let’s f**k him up” as she is running towards the car. If I was attacked like that in my car, I would have done exactly the same thing. Get out of there as quick as I can.

      As a frequent visitor to Portland. I have seen cars unknowingly turn the corner into these protests. I have done that too walking down the streets.
      By the way Patrecia..a man was arrested for the attack, for using a metal baton to smash the window. “Shaun Clancy, 37, was booked Wednesday into the Multnomah County jail on a felony allegation of first-degree criminal mischief”…”Officers found a pair of brass knuckles on Clancy when they arrested him as well as a stun gun with an “Antifa” sticker pasted on it”

      Yep…I would have blasted through that dangerous crowd too.

      • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

        Shaun Clancy, 37, was booked Wednesday into the Multnomah County jail on a felony allegation of first-degree criminal mischief stemming from the Oct. 6, 2018. I think he needs to stand trial. Meanwhile, a few months ago the FBI stated that, ” is just as concerned about racially-motivated violent extremists, including white supremacists, as it is about the threat posed by homegrown violent extremists inspired by foreign terrorist organizations.”And,

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Christian, I was responding to two specific incidents that Patrecia brought up where she believes was the fault of the two elderly victims being assaulted. I provided video clips of both of those incidents. Do you believe that the 81 year old woman with the walker was the aggressor? That it was a staged event by them as Patrecia believes? Or that the elderly man trying to escape being attacked in Portland “deliberately crash(ed) his Lexus into a group of protesters”? What would you have done if someone smashed the passenger window of your car with a metal baton with your wife in the car? Me? I would have run over anyone in my way. By the way, the man that was hit jumped in front of the car.

  91. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    The Sociopath-in-Chief now admits that he’s been telling to staff to curtail testing, despite the fact that cases and hospitalizations are surging all over the country (even among young people 18 to 35).

    Fortunately experts like Dr. Birx (Coordinator of the Coronavirus Task Force) are still telling governors to INCREASE testing. I wonder how long before Trump hounds her off the task force because she isn’t willing to kill people just to make Trump look less incompetent.

  92. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    Don’t take my word on naturally occurring herd immunity. Here’s the lowdown:

    The consensus of worldwide infectious disease expert opinion agrees that if the US attempted what Sweden has done, we’d be looking at approx 2 million deaths to date.

    • Avatar Ed Marek says:

      Only an idiot would suggest the USA would benefit from herd immunity by widespread infection with COVID-19.

      The fact is even after we buried millions of victims, and built an entirely new health system to care for the several million more seriously ill COVID-19 survivors, we still would have no assurance that the resulting immunity for the other survivors would be total, or long lasting.

      The state of the current debate on this question:

      “You May Have Antibodies After Coronavirus Infection. But Not for Long.

      Antibodies to the virus faded quickly in asymptomatic people, scientists reported.

      That does not mean immunity disappears…

      Dr. Iwasaki was more concerned than the other experts about the two new studies.

      “These reports highlight the need to develop strong vaccines, because immunity that develops naturally during infection is suboptimal and short-lived in most people,” she said. “We cannot rely on natural infection to achieve herd immunity.”

  93. Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

    I find this to be particularly distressing news, and right inline with your comment, Patrecia:

    Just when you need them the most, public health officials are quitting in record numbers. This story is being carried by many sources. I just grabbed the first one without a paywall.

  94. Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

    Doug believes racism is my default position whenever the right wing were attacking President Obama.
    Perhaps there is some truth to that.
    Let’s see, birtherism, school principles denying their students listening to President Obama address to the children of the country Due to the outcry from “concerned parents “.
    Or was it the noose tied around the character of Obama being sold at the red bluff annual antique Sale.
    Or is that nothing more than joking around that redneck a holes think liberals object to?

    Yeah, you are very perceptive Doug. You are simply ignorant to what went on and you have no other argument other than it was not racism that fueled your and your far right wingers hate toward Obama.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Chad, Being a big NASCAR fan, I was watching the race from Talledega Alabama this past weekend. The big news was that a noose was found in Bubba Wallace’s garage hanging from the ceiling. Wallace is the only black driver in the NASCAR’s Cup series. There was of course plenty of outrage, a lot of tears, a big show of solidarity from the NASCAR family. The FBI got involved in the investigation. The FBI has determined that the noose had been there since at least last year. “The FBI report concludes, and photographic evidence confirms, that the garage door pull rope fashioned like a noose had been positioned there since as early as last fall.” Wallace was assigned that particular garage last week.

      We are at the point that we are seeing racism around every corner. Where there is no overt racism. When I was a kid, I used to make nooses too. I annoyed my sisters by putting them on their Barbie Dolls. Was I doing it because I had the desire to lynch a black person?

      Dr Shelby Steele, someone that you would more than likely call an Uncle Tom said this about racism.
      “…“Instead of admitting that racism has declined, we (blacks) argue all the harder that it is still alive and more insidious than ever. We hold race up to shield us from what we do not want to see in ourselves.”

      “White liberals and the Democratic Party are the major beneficiaries of keeping black people fearful, angry, victimized and resentful. It’s crucial to both their political success and their efforts to change our nation.”

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Chad — Here’s how I see the NASCAR noose episode:

      Sensible people: “Oops. False alarm. It’s what happens when you have a racist president fanning the flames, white supremacists being emboldened and speaking out, black men found hanging from trees, ongoing systemic discrimination by LE against black people…. Especially in the context of a traditionally Southern-cultural sport, of course you’re occasionally going to see racism where it isn’t.”

      Reactionary @$$holes: “See?! One false positive means that the next 99 cases of racism are fake, too! What more proof do you need that America has completely vanquished racism?! The blacks just make this $#!+ up so that they can stay on welfare!!!”

  95. Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

    After Tulsa and Phoenix, I’m tempted to conclude that the Oval Office occupier is a one-man vector for COVID-19.

  96. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    All areas of North California and Southern Oregon are now in the top 100 (out of 306) in terms of Hospital Region COVID-19 growth rates. Redding ranks at #46:!/vizhome/covid19-atlas-hrr-growth/CasesGrowthRate

    This story will sure bring the tourists in, to get our economy moving.:

    “Rural Shasta County has seen an uptick in COVID-19 cases in June.

    Shasta County health officials say a man showing coronavirus symptoms attended a “large family gathering,” now a cluster of a dozen confirmed cases.

    The man, who is in his 20s, attended the party a few weeks ago. Afterward, he went in for a COVID-19 test and learned he had the virus. The county health department asked 20 people at the party to self-quarantine. As of June 21, 12 party-goers have now tested positive and most are showing symptoms, health officials said.

    Large indoor gatherings are prohibited by the California stay-at-home order.

    Although Shasta County still has a relatively small number of cases, its numbers have soared in June…

    The county now has 86 confirmed cases, 25 people in quarantine, two hospitalizations and four deaths.”

  97. Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

    But it’s only 10 or 15, down to 0 in a couple of days… The Criminal Idiot needs to be held for treason against the United States of America.

    But here in Redding, we take off our masks, go to our restaurants and bars and celebrate because it’s all over it’s done, coast is clear folks the president said so. Of course it’s no wonder Redding is a huge Clorox supporter.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Meanwhile…in other good news. It was a good day for Gen Flynn after D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals panel ordered a lower-court judge to dismiss the case against him. There were also new documents released that showed at the meeting with Obama, Comey said the phone call by Flynn to the Russian ambassador ‘appeared legit”.

      This whole sorry episode is going south for the Democrats…and Biden will have to address it.

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

        Meanwhile prosecutors with the Department of Justice are exposing how incredibly corrupt Trump’s Attorney General William Barr is. Once he’s no longer AG I expect he’ll finally be disbarred and even prosecuted.

        Trump is going down the drain FAST. His approval rating is rock-bottom, he’s way behind Biden in swing states, and he’s losing the support of most groups who voted for him.

        His inane and dangerous statement that testing needs to be cut way back to hide the severity of the Covid surges may have been the final nail in his coffin (so to speak), along with his description of peaceful protestors being tear-gassed and shot with rubber bullets as “beautiful”. There’s no longer any way the Republican Party can conceal his increasing derangement. It needs to force him out of the race, and replace him with a moderate (relatively sane) candidate.

      • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

        Hardly. Funny…. Justice Department, I mean clorox’s personal attorneys, clears a criminal who who admitted twice that he obviously colluded with the Russians. November could bring a sweeping change and I could imagine quite a onslaught of charges against Clorox and his klan…

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          So you don’t think an incoming National Security Advisor should not contact foreign counterparts? “…he obviously colluded with the Russians” Of course we now have released documents that show Flynn’s conversation with the Russians ‘appeared legit’ according to then FBI Director Comey in a meeting with President Obama.

          It is astonishing to me that liberals are not bothered by the abuse of power of the FBI, the faking of FISA warrants, the spying on Americans, changing the text of Emails. All because they didn’t like the incoming president. Is that why it doesn’t bother you? Is this type of abuse of power acceptable to you because you hate the president? I’m certain that if the parties were reversed, that it was a GOP administration spying on Democrats, we would have wall to wall coverage.

          Sorry Christian, ignore it as you want, but the onslaught of charges will be against those that broke the law and abused their power. and it looks like Biden was deep into it too, but of course he is denying any knowledge.

          • Avatar Gary Tull says:

            The Flynn decision doesn’t pass the smell test. This thing is not over.

            The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit will likely review this scandalous decision and overturn it.

            Wm. Barr is a trump-toadie scumbag IMO.

          • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

            Yeah, Sorry Doug, complet BS. But you, Putin and idiot nunes are happy I’m sure. Page was on the radar of US counterintelligence officials since at least 2013 — more than three years before he joined the Trump campaign the DOJ made and there was “ample disclosure of relevant, material facts” to the FISC which revealed “the research was being paid for by a political entity.” No thinking person who read any of these applications would come to any other conclusion. Nothing to hide, and that’s why the Putin Puppet had to tell the truth…. Not once but twice. Barr is just Clorox’s mouth piece Rudy Giuliani replacement, nothing new. In November we will know more but for now, Flynn will always be known as a lying trader to The United States of America.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Gary…when Barr was appointed for Attorney General by President Bush in 1991, Mr. Barr was approved by the judicial committee in a 14-to-0 vote. he was confirmed by a unanimous vote by the full Senate. At that time Sen Biden, head of the judiciary committee said Mr. Barr would be “a fine Attorney General ” and called him a “heck of an honorable guy.”
            Chuck Schumer, said this after Barr left as AG:, “Mr. Barr has proven to be a capable deputy attorney general. He did a good job of helping run the department in troubled times.”

            So here we have a man that seemed to be universally respected among both Democrats and Republicans back in ’91…but because he now works for Trump he is a scumbag? THAT is irrational Trump Derangement Syndrome in full bloom.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Doug Cook,

            People can change in 20 years. Barr is now a God-in-government religious extremist who admits he wants our country governed by “God’s law” (in violation of the Constitutional separation of church and state), and has repeatedly said and done things that reinforce that desire. No one but Trump would sacrifice our country to a bunch of Old Testament-banging “Christian” Nationalists.

            Biden will have his work cut out for him in replacing all of the totally unqualified religious nutcases Trump has loaded the highest levels of our federal government with. But unlike Trump, Biden will surround himself with the most qualified people available.

            Like all his ilk Barr undoubtedly believes that he’s one of God’s “chosen”, and that delivering our country to his version of God justifies any means. He’s been slithering around behind the scenes aiding and covering up Trump’s corruption, and being a shameless toady for Trump’s illegal and/or immoral demands. The Department of Justice was intended to serve the American people. It was not intended as the personal property of a crazed despot.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            The only change Patrecia, is that Barr now works for Trump

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Doug Cook,

            Barr isn’t supposed to “work for Trump”. He should be representing the American public. He’s actually a criminal conspirator of Trump, who abandons all ethical – and possibly legal – considerations to give Trump whatever he wants.

            You seem to be getting increasingly desperate as Trump crashes and burns.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug conveniently forgets that as AG under Bush II, Barr wasn’t free to act on his worst impulses. He had a somewhat reasonable superior and equals in Bush II, his chief of staff, and his cabinet.

            As Trump’s AG, there is no one to rein in those impulses. His only superior is stirred only when Barr isn’t even more of a POTUS-serving toady. Trump’s “acting” Chief of Staff and the other cabinet members are a pack of boot-licking loyalists who offer zero in the way of a moderating influence. There is only infantile Trump, who demands using the Justice Department as a weapon.

            We’ll maybe be okay if we rid ourselves of this cancer in November, but who knows what these fascists will do in the 75 days between Election Day and Inauguration Day? I don’t put anything past them.

  98. Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

    Yep, scumbag fits, and most of his alumni along with a couple of thousand other former prosecutors, DOJ lawyers and alumni think so too. He’s a pig that really is nothing more then another Mouth piece for Clorox the Criminal Idiot. I’m sure he’s helping with the the Supreme Court case to cut healthcare for 20 million Americans in the middle of Clorox’s pandemic. I guess because Clorox is going down in flames he is making sure he making sure he can screw as many as he can. I think Ill start calling him Clorox the Covid now and then…

  99. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    “..when Barr was appointed for Attorney General by President Bush in 1991, Mr. Barr was approved by the judicial committee in a 14-to-0 …”

    Doug — It is utterly clear now that Wm. Barr and Republicans are intent on helping trump corrupt the next election. Watch for more crackpot right-wing conspiracy claims, foreign interference, the blocking of secure U.S mail-in voting, the closing of polling places, and STRAIGHT OUT VOTE RIGGING — if they think they can get away with it.

    The GOP appears as a fascist movement now. They exist to assert trump’s power. Party ideology and the law are now whatever trump claims them to be, and the party’s enemies are whomever trump believes his enemies to be at any given time — guilty of whatever crimes trump claims they are.

    Republicans have shown that they are willing to corrupt any American institution as much as is necessary to retain and expand Trump’s power and their own power.

    When this colossal American dumpster fire finally burns down in 6 months, my optimism toward our country will resume only when sb Wm. Barr is at minimum- disbarred for life. We’ve already missed one chance to flush him out.  We dare not let him escape for much longer.

    Four ways William Barr is already subverting the 2020 elections:

    • Avatar Ed Marek says:

      I leave this pestilent hellhole (by that I mean the north valley, not ANC) for a few days, and return to a severely polluted Open Conversation.

      Folks you have a perfect right to waste your time arguing with Mr. Cook’s repeated false assertions, but is this really the best use of this forum?

      “Doug Cook June 25, 2020 at 2:48 pm

      Gary…when Barr was appointed for Attorney General by President Bush in 1991, Mr. Barr was approved by the judicial committee in a 14-to-0 vote. he was confirmed by a unanimous vote by the full Senate…

      Chuck Schumer, said this after Barr left as AG:, “Mr. Barr has proven to be a capable deputy attorney general. He did a good job of helping run the department in troubled times.”…”

      NO, that is false.

      Senator Schumer made that remark BEFORE Barr grossly abused his office of A.G. under GHW Bush.

      “Doug Cook June 25, 2020 at 2:48 pm

      …because he now works for Trump he is a scumbag? THAT is irrational Trump Derangement Syndrome in full bloom.”

      A series of false statements by Mr. Cook, parroting (as usual) various trumpist misinformation sites.

      Barr is widely regarded as a “scumbag” not only for his more recent criminal acts within the trump regime, but also for his “scumbag” behavior as A.G. during 1991-1993 in the HWR Bush administration, and elsewhere since.

      Just one example of the multitude of abuses (please go to the link to see many more) Barr committed during his first A.G. term.

      Then-President GHW Bush was under the threat of criminal prosecution for lying to cover-up his involvement in the conspiracy known as the Iran-Contra scandal.

      A.G. Barr, provided a solution, a mass pardon of all the witnesses to HGW Bush’s (possible) crimes:


      In late 1992, Independent Counsel Lawrence Walsh, who had been chosen to investigate the Iran–Contra affair, found documents in the possession of Reagan’s former defense secretary, Caspar Weinberger, which Walsh said was “evidence of a conspiracy among the highest-ranking Reagan Administration officials to lie to Congress and the American public.”[51][52] Weinberger was set to stand trial on felony charges on January 5, 1993.[51][53] His “indictment said Mr. Weinberger’s notes contradicted Mr. Bush’s assertions that he had only a fragmentary knowledge of the arms secretly sold to Iran in 1985 and 1986 in exchange for American hostages in Lebanon.”[53][52][54] According to Walsh, then-president Bush might have been called as a witness.[55]

      On December 24, 1992, during his final month in office, Bush, on the advice of Barr, pardoned Weinberger,[12][56] along with five other administration officials who had been found guilty on charges relating to the Iran–Contra affair.[12][57][58][51] Barr was consulted extensively regarding the pardons, and especially advocated for pardoning Weinberger.[59]

      Walsh complained about the move insinuating that Bush on Barr’s advice had used the pardons to avoid testifying and stating that: “The Iran-contra cover-up, which has continued for more than six years, has now been completed.”[60] In 2003, he wrote an account of the investigation in his book, Firewall: The Iran-Contra Conspiracy and Cover-Up.

      Because of this and Barr’s unwillingness to appoint an independent counsel to look into a second scandal known as Iraqgate, New York Times writer William Safire began to refer to Barr as “Coverup-General Barr.””

  100. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    CDPH is now projecting 51 additional COVID-19 deaths in Shasta County during the next thirty days:

    “California County Death Forecasts…

    (Select Shasta)

    Current Total Deaths: 5 Actual Deaths : 2020-06-27

    Projected Total: 56 30-Day Forecast through 2020″

    California County Hospitalization Forecasts…

    (Select Shasta)

    Current Daily Hospitalizations: 5/574 Actuals / Total Beds : 2020-06-27

    Projected Daily Total: 43 Ensemble Forecast through 2020-07-28”

    Those numbers can be found by selecting the “forecast” option at the link above.

    Using the “Nowcast” option, you can see why deaths are expected to rise so rapidly, the extremely high Shasta R rate, due to lack of effective social distancing:

    “The effective reproduction number (R-effective) is the average number of people each infected person will pass the virus onto and represents the rate at which COVID-19 is spreading…

    Latest (Shasta County) Estimate of R-effective is: 1.32 Spread of COVID-19 is likely increasing rapidly”

    For perspective, that R number is much higher than the highest of any State (Arizona I believe, at 1.19) .

    Selecting “Scenarios” at the link allows you to see the range of Shasta County deaths projected during the next ~90 days, depending on the “social distancing” option (both more restrictive than present) we choose to employ.

    These are consensus forecasts using multiple models, and the actual numbers we see may be much better, or much worse than these, depending largely on whether we decide to do something to reduce the carnage.

    Four more cases reported in Shasta County today, three of which were hospitalized:

    COVID-19 Community Impact

    Last updated 6/28/2020 5:00 pm

    Confirmed 105

    Hospitalized 7

    Deaths 4

    Total Tests


    • Avatar Bill Vercammen says:

      Good post, Ed.
      The CALCAT is an interesting chimeric modeling system, incorporating highlights from several well-known COVID models, and further customized to suit exotic, imported needs. It’ll certainly be interesting to see how effectively the model compares to the standard IMHE.

      The predictive factoring seems a bit high, but that could be a strategy – nothing like the threat of a few extra deaths to incite some compliance, eh? If you scroll thru the model offerings, take a look at the ‘R effective’ value. Shasta is plugged in at a very high 1.31. This is the R naught value discussed occasionally by Fauci, Birx, and others. “One” is considered a stable pandemic spread, and each decimal point higher than “one” is a magnitude multiplier of rate of spread.

      Shasta is on the higher end of the statewide average. Not a healthy sign of things to come.

    • Avatar Rebecca says:

      My friend works in ER at Mercy and she says there were 10 Covid patients through ER yesterday….. she is now separated from her kids for at least 14 days….. I was in Ace Hardware today and not even employees were wearing face coverings, only me. I predict it is going to be worse than the predictions you just gave us.

  101. Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

    The most traitorous act by our traitorous president is ignoring intelligence reports that Russia paid bounties to the Taliban to kill American and allied troops in Afghanistan. The Washington Post is reporting tonight that American troops were actually killed under this deal. Rather than confront the Russians, Trump has cut American troops in Germany by 25,000 to benefit Russia and wants Russia to rejoin the G7. Trump denies having been told about the Russian-Taliban deal but intelligence experts say that is not possible. They do point out that he is known to ignore the presidential daily briefing. If he was not told, he has put together a traitorously incompetent national security staff. America military families, including Gold Star families, are outraged and so am I.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      …and guess what, 40 years ago the CIA paid the Afghan mujahidin to kill Russian soldiers on our behalf. I have always assumed this was always going on by Russia. When I was in the Middle East, we were constantly receiving intelligence reports about the role of Russia in the war, and it was not pretty.

      Right now the administration is in delicate negotiations with the Taliban to end to 20 year old war. Something that Bush or Obama couldn’t do. I’m assuming you all want US troops out of Afghanistan and the war to end, right? Waging war is a nasty dirty business, this sort of actions happen all the time, even by us. What you should be outraged over Kathryn, is the United States being in a war for 20 years under 3 presidents. There was an amazing series written by the WaPo called the ‘Afghanistan Papers’ that got very little media coverage because impeachment was the only thing in the news at the time. It was massive investigation that showed U.S. officials misled the public about the Afghanistan War for almost 20 years. That they knew we could never win but kept sending our troops there. I encourage anyone to read the series.

      Maybe we should be outraged over the complacency of Americans, that we care so little about our troops in danger in Afghanistan and being killed or maimed. I see your ears perk up when you see the possibility of criticizing Trump, but face it…my guess is that you have ignored Afghanistan for years. I certainly can’t remember any articles on ANC discussing the war. If we had a draft, everyone would be talking about Afghanistan, but since it is a volunteer military…unless you have a kid in the war, nobody cares.

      • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

        Because we did it, supposedly 40 years ago, it is acceptable in your opinion that it is done against us today.
        Spoken like a true patriot comrade.

        Is there anything you trumpeters will not defend him on?

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          No Chad, I’m being realistic. Yes, it sucks that they did that, but that is what happens in war. We can save many more lives if the negotiations continue and we end the war in Afghanistan. This story could even be a Russian planted story to disrupt the peace negotiations. Stranger things have happened.

      • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

        And guess what? 40 years ago? Oh, now I get it thanks Doug. Now I understand why Trump’s buddy Vladimir is putting the bounty on our soldiers while Trump does nothing but deny he ever knew?

        delegate negotiations? Oh, yeah that’s like the delegate negotiations with North Korea? Or the delegate negotiations with China’s trade policy? Or the delicate so-called peace deal that Trump’s idiots son-in-law kushner negotiated between Israel and Palestine? And you’re buying all that crap?

        Wow… it must be getting difficult being such a true blood apologist for Clorox.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          These pages should be called the ‘rush to judgement cafe’. Because once again you clutch your pearl, get the vapors, ramp up your outrage before the full story comes out.

          “The Department of Defense continues to evaluate intelligence that Russian GRU operatives were engaged in malign activity against United States and coalition forces in Afghanistan. To date, DOD has no corroborating evidence to validate the recent allegations found in open-source reports,”

          It used to be the NY Times wouldn’t run a story with just one unnamed source. Those days are long gone.

          The Defense Dept goes on to say the reports were not actionable because they are not able to corroborate the allegations as of yet, matter of fact the leaked information will hinder the investigation.

          The CIA said as much, “…“This is the analytic process working the way it should. Unfortunately unauthorized disclosures now jeopardized our ability to ever find out the full story. We are still investigating the alleged intelligence referenced in recent media reporting and we will brief the President and Congressional leaders at the appropriate time.” So who is really hurting the troops? The president or irresponsible journalism?

          So do you think the president should have taken action when it it is not clear yet of the truthfulness of the claim? That the investigation is still ongoing and they have no corroborative proof? I can just imagine your outrage if the president leapt into action before the investigation was complete.

          • Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

            Doug, that’s complete BS but you probably know that. We all know that Clorox, and many in his administration, are unprecedented liars. We all know there’s a very high probability that Clorox well understood his buddy Putin, yep, his good buddy Vladimir, who he can’t stop gushing about more than likely was instrumental and setting up a bounty program to kill our men and women in uniform. Sure you can spend that and try and blame it on Bush or the Taliban or whatever. Good luck with that.

            As far as the collaborative effort regarding the reporting of this event, sorry Doug there’s a whole lot more than one source and quite frankly there’s quite sources confirming this. But hey, let’s not take their word for it let’s get Clorox up in front of the Congress where he puts up his right hand over the Bible and swears on it that hes telling the truth eh? Yeah sure, we can get the federal police to clear the path for him into Congress if that’s what you need. And yes, the New York Times does stand by the old rule that you have to have three confirmable resources. Combine that with the other reporting done on this issue well, not even you Doug are going to be able to spin this one for Clorox. Quite frankly, it’s getting shameful almost embarrassing to see how persistent you are and covering up for the worst president and his lies this county has ever known. But, it’s a dirty job somebody’s got to do it right?

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            What we have here is intel agency people leaking inflammatory intel to the press before showing it to the President. Then the political hacks accuse the President of not taking action. Does sound like the deep state is still trying to damage Trump.

            Last year Trump had an Iranian general vaporized outside an airport in Baghdad. As I recall the left were howling that the intelligence provided was “insufficient” to necessitate the action. Now they want to start a war with Russia over intelligence that has not been confirmed.

            But let’s go back a few years…let’s go back to 2010 where our intelligence services confirmed that Iran was paying the Taliban $1,000 for every American soldier killed. Did the Obama administration take action? No they didn’t. Well…they ended up giving Iran $1.7 billion. Was Obama also guilty of treason? Why not? Explain to me why Trump is guilty of treason and Obama wasn’t? Oh yeah…you liked Obama.

            Christian, I am not denying that Russia is paying the Taliban for American lives. They very well could be. As I said before, the investigation is ongoing, there is no corroborative facts at this time, and the intel agencies are denying that they briefed the president.

  102. Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

    This current traitorous display by trump and his admission concerning the Russian bounties on American soldiers calls for immediate action.
    We will of course need to learn from house and senate hearings what is going on.
    We will live through more trumps lies, more defense from his followers, more blather from Barr.

    This really goes above impeachment. This calls for immediate criminal charges.

    I can’t imagine how patriotic right wingers can defend this latest episode of trumps love of Putin.

  103. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    Opinion- I expect it will turn out that Putin has been holding leverage over trump for years and a number of republican senators have known why from the beginning. They’ve been low-key quiet about it probably because they are also involved.
    L. Graham and (turtleman) McConnell- immediately come to mind though undoubtedly, there are others in addition.

    History will eventually reveal all the dirty participants, including Wm. Barr.

    • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

      Google the VoteVets ad that came out today. It calls Trump a traitor. The ad does not mince words and is very powerful. is very powerful.

      • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

        Forgot to proofread. Mortal sin for a professional editor.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        VoteVets is a left wing progressive group…what did you expect them to say?

        • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

          I expected them to tell the truth, which they did. Anyone who defends Trump’s selling out our troops are also traitors, in my opinion.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            “…I expected them to tell the truth, which they did”

            Well…it looks like they didn’t tell the truth after all.

        • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

          A deal to kill US and coalition troops is a partisan issue?

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Kathryn, please read my comment above that shows the allegations have not been corroborated, that the investigation is still ongoing. That the president was not briefed. What actions would you want the president to do before the intelligence community has nailed down the allegations?

            Was it irresponsible for the NY Times to run a story with one unnamed source? Does leaking this information before the investigation is complete hindering the investigation and possibly putting troops in danger? So your desire to damage the president is more important than our troops safety? As the CIA said, “…Unfortunately unauthorized disclosures now jeopardized our ability to ever find out the full story.” THAT could put our troops in danger.

  104. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    This is a very big deal. Thanks to Justice John Roberts and the progressive members of the Supreme Court, Republican politicians in numerous red states will not be allowed to implement a law that has no purpose except to deny women in those states access to safe, legal abortion.

    Of course Trump appointees Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch voted in favor of this law, which was just a right-wing attempt to punish women for having sex, and relegate them to spending their lives as forced incubators and nursemaids.

    Things haven’t been going well for Trump re: Supreme Court decisions. First the Dreamers Act was maintained, then his supporters were denied the legal ability to throw gay people out of their jobs etc. just for being gay, and now poor women won’t be forced to have children they can’t afford (at least not based on this particular contrived obstacle).

    Trump promised to deliver a Supreme Court that would harm various groups his supporters hate, and (with only 4 months to the election) he has largely failed. Hopefully his malignant supporters will be less inclined to run to the polls given that he failed in the #1 thing he promised to accomplish.

  105. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    Tomorrow starts a new month. I am happy that Republican views are changing from their extreme right wing take to a more understanding of the issues. This gives me hope that as a nation we will begin to work together and solve problems. The Democrats need to soften their it’s about time and should have been done sooner views. We are all in this together but not together yet. Let’s look forward, not backward.

    • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

      With all due respect.
      For republicans to NOW start wearing masks does not change their extreme views.
      Wearing a mask is not a political issue for those who have been complying for the past months. And republicans succumbing to wearing a mask is nothing more than they are finally recognizing the positive effort such an act has in society.
      If republicans really want to change things up and become more understanding they will drop their unconditional belief and following of trump and the stooges in congress.
      If they show more unbiased respect for the issues of today, racism, white power, women’s rights, GAY rights, economic equality, police reform, healthcare,…. I will agree that their extreme right wing views are progressing.

      Simply wearing a mask does not let these right wingers off the hook.
      I have zero confidence in republicans doing any of the things necessary to make them understanding of the issues.

      • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

        As Wyoming Rep Cheney is leading the charge for an investigation of Putin’s bounty and Arizona Senator is advocating that Americans need better healthcare and lower costs I see it is a pipe dream of mine that Congress will work together.
        With all due respect, Chad, the Democrats on here will not sway my optimism for hope.
        I would say more but I have been requested to not talk about Arizona.

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