Is Redding Ready to Become the Land of ‘Hell, Yes!’?

  

I woke up this morning angry. When did Redding become “The Land of Hell, No”? When did the Turtle Bay/Sundial Bridge Hotel become a common rallying cry for Tea Partiers and unions, as unlikely a couple as you will ever find.

In case there is anyone who hasn’t been paying attention, here’s a quick summary of recent events:

  • Angry people complain that the City of Redding shouldn’t provide any financial aid to Turtle Bay – even though this is common throughout the United States – and ultimately the city council votes to discontinue that funding, with the explanation that they would support any attempt by TB to become self-sufficient. In response, Turtle Bay approaches the City with the idea of creating a hotel on the property leased from the city and financed with private funds.
  • Angry people complain that this is not an appropriate place for a hotel, and certainly not without a study being done to review possible traffic congestion. In response, Turtle Bay points out that not only has a hotel been anticipated in the same location by an City of Redding Masterplan, but three separate studies have found this to be an economically feasible location, with another study showing minimal traffic impact.
  • Angry people then shift their argument to saying that this would represent unfair competition with other hotels. In response, other hotels tell the Redding City Council they would welcome a 4 star hotel to Redding – it will help their businesses.
  • Unions join in to say that although they welcome the hotel, it should be a prevailing wage job even though it is privately funded, because it is on public land. In a press conference, these same Unions later suggest that the property be purchased so that prevailing wage is no longer an issue. In response, the McConnell Foundation offers to buy the property.
  • Angry people against the hotel say that the land should be fairly evaluated. In response, three independent appraisals are conducted, with The McConnell Foundation offering to pay significantly more than the highest appraisal. Redding’s elected city council accepts the offer.
  • Angry people and unions against the hotel are still not satisfied, and forming a group called REVOLT, decide to gather signatures to put this on the ballot as a referendum, potentially delaying this project another year.

So, to recap, The Tea Party – who stands for less government interference in things such as prevailing wage – decides to team up with unions fighting for prevailing wage. Each time Turtle Bay has responded in a positive way to the current argument being made by these angry people and unions, the argument simply changes. I don’t think these people even remember their original arguments at this point, just that they are angry.

So I woke up angry myself this morning. I took my golden retriever on a walk down to Turtle bay and walked the trail loop around the museum. As I looked at the early morning light shimmering on the river – and just having returned from a trip to an incredibly congested New Jersey – I fell in love all over again with my choice to move here almost thirty years ago. I recalled watching during summers past while buses of excited school children literally jumped in anticipation of their visit to Turtle Bay.

I don’t believe the angry people fighting this hotel are evil, just wrong – thinking. And I believe that this is a community that will ultimately see that. After all, I’m an optimist.

I still believe that Redding can become the Land of Hell, Yes!

In the interests of full disclosure, Trilogy Architecture is responsible for the hotel design.

James Theimer is the principal architect and founder of the Redding-based firm Trilogy Architecture.

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  1. I LOVE "HELL YES!!" All of life should be lived at HELL YES, . . . hell-o?

    What a well thought out argument, not there should be argument at all. Discussion? Yes!! Argument? Why???

  2. Redding. Angry people.

    That says it all.

  3. Thank you for a simple explanation of what seems like a complicated issue.

  4. Angry?
    Angry after years of union-bashing words and actions by the local population/officials? Angry after the GOP & Wall Street cheats decided to point at hard-working middle class as being the cause of this nation's economic woes?
    Angry after being having the "slight of hand" used to remove work from your reach? Angry after watching the deconstruction of unions across the country, then watching multitudes protest for a living wage?
    Angry after the 1%ers of the world increase their worth as the politicians dismantle safety net programs for Americans?

    James, if you are not angry, you are not paying attention!

  5. Amen! Thank you for sharing and speaking your mind.

  6. Very well put, James. I am "recruiting" volunteers to help us "get the word out". We have a "strategy planning" meeting Friday AM....so I need the names of volunteers that can get us an introduction to groups, etc....e-mail me and I will give you details. ronlargent@shasta.com

  7. Well spoken James. Let's band together to support Turtle Bay and their efforts to bring more opportunity and resources to Redding.

    I too, love it here and believe the addition of this hotel can only bring more good things to our area.

    And even though I rarely cuss, I join you in saying, "Hell, yes!" Happy, positive, forward thinking and optimistic people unite!

  8. Thanks James for your perspective and detailed information!

  9. The Greater Redding Chamber of Commerce has consistently supported the Turtle Bay project since inception precisely because it is good for business. Our 930 members, who employ 13,500 workers, have benefitted by the large number of visitors who have come to Redding and have yearly spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in our community. In the case of the Sheraton Hotel, we have regularly testified as to the importance of this project to the entire array of amenities we have here in Redding and the surrounding areas.

    The Chamber is always talking about jobs, and in this case there are approximately 40 construction jobs and 70 permanent jobs. The income to the city’s general fund from the hotel property tax, sales tax and hotel tax would be approximately $700,000 per year. The expenditures back to the community from a four star hotel as this Sheraton would be, would exceed $4.5 million dollars per year.

    Frank J. Strazzarino, Jr. Chamber President and Chief Executive Officer

  10. No matter, I still think union member s should also have these good paying jobs. What do they do with their money? The buy things, they support the community. We need more middle class -- they are the ones that build the communities with their good paying jobs!

  11. I think it is the timing of the hotel and the grandiose of it. How many times has the city wanted something that was so unbelievable that the powers that be have a hard time getting the general public behind it. Only when funds become available is a lesser more believable building is built. If only the lesser was presented to the public maybe it would fly better.
    Are we going to be subjected to billboards that advertise the Sun-dial Bridge Hotel? That would give it an unfair advantage over the many hotels on Hilltop that just spent a small fortune on palm trees.
    What occupancy #s are the norms for the hotels in Redding?
    It is such a shame that a very desirable place for one (Pine Street) has turned into a homeless haven. But I am just thankful that (for now) I am not among their numbers.

    A

  12. Well James as stated your firm has the job to design the hotel so you should be upset! Let me ask you this if the hotel decided to pay you 1/3 of what you normally get paid how would you feel?

    Prevailing wage sets the pay scale for blue collar workers its not about being angry its about putting food on the table. For EXAMPLE if prevailing wage is $20 some contractors would pay there guys $10 an hour. Is that what you want your Redding neighbors to make a living off of? And yes there can be a clause stating 50% of the work stays local. If you let one Federal job pass like this one what is to stop this from happening all the time?

    I too love Redding but lets boost our economy first!

    • I do believe we should support unions and pay everyone a fair wage. That is justice. I also totally respect James Theimer in his sustainably built architecture. We really should to both: have good paying jobs and "green" buildings.

    • Sam - your point is well taken but incorrect in this instance. On this job, even the non-union laborers will be making $27-$60 an hour. That is a more than fair wage (and at least double what I make and live off) for a Reddingite. So no one will be making $10 an hour, except the Turtle Bay front-line staff who make minimum wage.

    • This is an unfair attack. James Theimer was a driving force behind the revitalization of downtown Redding that I believe saved the very core of our town. He donated hundreds and hundreds of hours and did some very, very nice work.

      If you haven't been to Turtle Bay, you are cheating yourself. If nothing else, cross the bridge, turn left and go down to the kids' insect area. Wonderful welded insects and some gorgeous ceramic work lives down there.

      And lay off James. He has paid his dues.

      Dugan Barr

  13. I think that the hotel is a great idea for Redding and it would boost the economy in several ways:

    - it'd add more available decent lodging for interested visitors who are used to finding no occupancy
    - it'd employ the companies and their employees for the building
    - it'd employ the workforce to staff and maintain the property
    - it'd directly generate tax revenue for the city, county, state and nation off of good old fashioned private enterprise
    - it'd bring revenue to the restaurants, retailers, recreation vendors and more due to the increase in visitor traffic
    - it'd generate city, county, state and federal tax revenue due to the aforementioned influx in business
    - it'd benefit the other hotels in the ways they've already mentioned themselves
    - it'd add to the list of lands and facilities well-maintained and operated by the McConnell Foundation

    I could go on for a long time... Bottom line: I think it would be great. Let's move out of our own way, Redding.

  14. I am all about the progression of our community and increasing the beautiful opportunities we have in Redding. I say quit all the whining and look at the bigger picture. We have work to do, and taking years and years to get anything done isn't working. We need to move into the future now and stop arguing.

  15. Will the architect please put a nice size restaurant on the river with a view? Locals would cherish it. The view at 202 is the best we have, and it's not well thought out. I have to agree with both sides, the tea party should be against big government and they just seem against growth. However, I agree the architect is probably making more than a prevailing wage and I bet they won't design a restaurant with a view for locals. Life is full of hypocracy.

    • Dennis-

      Since this is the second time our fee has been mentioned, it should be noted that Trilogy, as well as several other consultants, have donated a significant portion of their fee for this hotel - because we believe that this is a worthwhile project for this community. Sorry, no prevailing wage here...

      • While I agree that the project should go forward and that it would be good for the city and Turtle Bay, I am simply unwilling to let a 500 million dollar "non-profit" dictate terms as to whether or not the project gets done. I also find it funny that McConnell says they will not do the project at prevailing wage, when part of the job has already been bid and excepted at the same prevailing wage they say they can't afford.
        Prevailing wage is good for any city, as it raises people out of poverty, thus limiting the burden on social services, like medical, food stamps, etc.. Prevailing wage also guarantees that the project will get done on time, at or under budget, without shoddy workmanship. The bottom line is simple; McConnell can afford the project at prevailing wage, doing so would help this community in a number of ways, and a the end, everyone would win.

    • yeah, lets take away even more access to our river. who needs public land anyway?

  16. I've been struggling with this issue. I've lived in Redding over 50 years and visited here every weekend in the summer for 4 years prior to marrying my husband who brought me here to live. My questions are; does Redding need a hotel of this size and class? Does the occupancy rates show that we need it? What is going to bring the people into the Sheraton....will it have a fabulous restaurant? What else does it offer? Are the room rates conducive to the traveler who pulls off of I-5 for a place to sleep, or will this Sheraton be a destination hotel?
    Really trying to go on the positive side of this and understand that it will be worthwhile after it is built and all the workers have gone home, and the gas prices go up again.

    I think it would be a plus if the restaurant was superior and the locals would support it because the food was excellent and another addition to the few really good, fine dining restaurants we have within the city limits.

    • Redding could always use another hotel - especially during the holidays, Kool April Nights, the rodeo, graduation, 4th of July, and pretty much any other three-day weekend of the year. Several times I've seen every hotel parking lot on Hilltop Drive & Cypress Ave full & all the "NO" vacancy signs lit up. For those who schedule corporate meetings or retreats and Redding is a convenient location, they'll be glad to have a higher class hotel in a pleasant and relaxing setting away from the noise and traffic of the I5/44 interchange. And if this were a private developer putting up a hotel on private property would we care about the success of the business or its wage practices if an investor spent all this money & built an amazing amenity in the city? I'm betting not.
      I understand the citizen's concerns if the property is on public property but with the McConnell Foundation purchasing the land (for what we've been told is higher than market value) and Turtle Bay finding private financiers, it's not really the citizen's concern how much the staff make or how successful the business is going to be. It's closer to a private development now which, imho, makes it none of our business except to enjoy whatever benefits we can reap as community members.

    • I think the hotel is a really great thing for Redding. I think you bring up a good point though, that the restaurant be superior due to excellent food...and might I add that I hope the restaurant has a view of the river. Many of our restaurants are in strip malls or in places that aren't very attractive. We need restaurants that take advantage of our beautiful surroundings...such as in this setting with the Sacramento River.

    • Karen,

      good questions. I will do my best to answer them.
      The banks have the same question about the demand for a hotel. They required TB to pay for 3 studies from firms that indeed did show a demand. Since the studies were first done a few years ago there have been several hotels built on I 5 so they were correct.
      there is no 4 star hotel in Redding and that is one of the reasons there is a demand. Also there is no Starwood Product (Westin, W, Sheraton, etc.) and that drives the demand too.
      the occupancy rates for the top hotels is about 80% (up each year for the last 3 years) and we break even in the mid 60%. For all our proformas we use 72-75% well under other hotels. Yes, all 4 star hotels must have a 3 meal restaurant. this will be a very nice restaurant with a nice dog-friendly patio.
      it offers a ball room that will seat 275 people for a lunch or dinner, a garden in front for weddings and crafts fairs, a promenade with water features, Chihuly glass in the lobby, and a pool. Bikes will be available for guests that want to explore the trails.
      This will be a hotel for tourists, business people and conferences.

  17. James, thank you so much for writing this. The situation has really frustrated me and it's such a relief to hear from others who see the big picture and aren't afraid to speak up.

    Tourism, even in a low-functioning economy, accounts for millions of dollars in the Redding economy and thousands of jobs. Those millions pay for our police officers, infrastructure, etc and keep our neighbors employed, in their homes, and shopping at each others' businesses.

    Whether these angry people believe it or not, Turtle Bay is a significant tourism draw. Even for people who don't visit the park, having it in town improves their perception of Redding. Market research has shown that potential tourists often eschew Redding because they consider it "backwards" and void of culture, but for the Visitors Bureau, residents, and others to be able to say "Redding has an architectural landmark, botanical gardens, an aquarium, and a science and art museum" shifts strangers' perception and increases the likelihood of a visit. Visits = meals eaten in restaurants, cars rented, gas or shuttle service purchased, kayaks and bikes and houseboats rented, tickets to a show at the Cascade or Civic Center, extra sunblock bought in the summer months, Whiskeytown admission paid, and of course: hotel rooms reserved. Then take all that and multiply it by the number of people drawn to the Turtle Bay Sheraton for its convention facilities. Then consider how many tourists go back home to their sky-high rent in the crowded Bay Area and decide to move to Redding (throw a rock and you'll hit a Redding Realtor who has sold 10 homes to Bay Area transplants for those exact reasons) and factor in their economic contribution.

    If the angry people and the unions would do allll that math, while considering the economic and cultural repercussions of a Redding without Turtle Bay, is the margin of extra pay (above an already-better-than-average living wage) for a minority group of people REALLY worth it? They keep invoking "the big picture". This is the big picture. The whole city is the big picture. The unions' big picture is really just the mirror they can't tear their eyes from.

    They can learn a lot from the other hoteliers, who support the project even if means a few less immediate dollars.

    I also support the hotel because my children and I love Turtle Bay. We learn things there. We see incredible art there. It's a safe place to play. I want them to grow up in a city that supports art and science, not in a city that sacrifices growth on the alter of anger and greed.

  18. This is a net positive for Redding. I can't imagine a single reason not to make this happen. I'm not aware of another project in Redding that will ad 70 long term jobs, give people another reason to get off the 5, raise the bar for hoteling, improve Redding's most significant landmark, and add revenue anywhere close to this for our city. Instead I suggest that those who want to organize resistance focus their efforts on the six or eight hotels in Redding that enable transience, crime, prostitution and sex trafficking, and aren't maintained.

    • Interesting point about the other hotels Jack! I like the way you think.

    • Amen! There are more than 6 or 7 of them... but I'd love to see those slums turned around into something useful instead of scum traps.
      Lots of other cities have turned their slum motels into clean & sober living houses, residential units for mental health patients, transitional housing for the homeless while they start new jobs & save to rent their own place - there are lots of other efforts people could be putting out to a higher benefit than standing in the way of one hotel.

  19. Well written and very well expressed James, thank you for stating the obvious - Redding needs this!

  20. This hotel project goes far beyond just business dollars and cents issues, it will be the single defining feature of what Redding is as a community to the rest of the world.

    When we have this hotel, we will entertain conferences and groups that have crossed Redding off their map in the past.

    When Turtle Bay has a stronger economic base, it will become the inspiring educational powerhouse that the founders wanted it to be.

  21. RON SHOW ME A GREAT PROPERTY THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED PUCHASE THAT IS FOR SALE OR SOLD FOR THAT AMOUNT BEING PAID BY THE BUYER?
    GET TO WORK BECAUSE YOU CANNOT FIND IT AS EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL AND THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY THE CITY OF REDDING RESIDENTS DESERVE THE VALUE THAT IT IS WORTH. PLAY WITH THE NUMBERS AS YOU WILL AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT. BUT VALUE IS VALUE.

    • Yes, value is value. But as a community, what does it say about our values to potential developers, to potential business that want to move here, or to potential investors in our city, when our community cries foul on people purchasing land for more than 150k what it was appraised for?

  22. Agree to pay prevailing union wage...Seems that will make it a win win situation for everyone..

    • People. We have to learn how to use long spoons!
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_long_spoons

    • Yeah Turtle Bay! Just agree to add an extra $3 million dollars to your project even though you are not required to do so. Just add $3 million dollars because the courts ruled you don't have to. And just add $3 million dollars because the unions want an outrageously high wage and if they don't get there way, they will stop the project in its tracks.

      Win win right R Runyon? Just pay prevailing wage Turtle Bay...add an extra $3 million dollars you don't have. I mean as a property owner that's logical right?

      • Just so you know the average union wage across the U.S. Is under 30'000 dollars a year.. If you actually research the prevailing wage it would be quite hard to spend 3 mil more then projected labor cost.. Especially when most union contractors have quite the construction management to utilize there apprenticeship trained skilled craft to the fullest.. Meaning most productive.. Everyone keeps saying "were did the unions get there numbers" well we're did The McConnell foundation get there numbers that prevailing wages would cost 3mil more.. If it really is for the community pay a higher standard of living to the community..

      • Prevailing wage doesn't mean that the project will be done with union labor.. Only guarantee for union labor is project labor agreements. PLA 's
        So to refuse your fellow residents of Redding a chance to make a better wage that would no doubt be trickled through out the community in bad economy planing..

    • It has been previously stated by others that Turtle Bay was willing to pay union scale, but not the much higher prevailing wage. That seems to be a reasonable compromise, except for the fact that unions wish to establish a precedent statewide. This worthy project is therefore in jeopardy, and its demise would be a lose lose situation for everyone...

  23. From a reliable source who works at our local library, he says on Weds he was on Shasta College Campus and witnessed the Signature Gathers claiming in an almost mantra that McConnell is going to sell Turtle Bay and keep the land.

    Sad was that he saw many students signing the papers. He says the signature gathers were very aggressive and had many clever catch phrases.

    I hope in age of cell phone cameras someone can catch them "slandering" the McConnel Foundation and perhaps we can educate the general populace to the trust.

    As someone who works to promote visitors to our town I know we need Sheraton 100% not just to support Turtle Bay but to support Shasta County as we lose lots of visitors looking for 4 star rated facilities.

    I support the arts as well as cultural programs Turtle Bay provides and know that a Redding with NO TURTLE BAY would be a even worse mess than the one I reside in. We would instantly be transported back to our days as a RED NECK CULTURAL WASTELAND.

    HELP turn this around by TRUSTING McConnell to continue to make our area a place to be proud to say you are from! Educate your family and friends to educate everyone about the LIES the signatures are spreading.

  24. It did feel good, though,
    to say "HELL, NO!" to a petition pimp outside of Raley's today…

    • Anne, I did the same thing last week.

    • I did the same thing yesterday outside of Safeway. When I was approached, I asked the woman what the issue was and which 'side' of the issue this petition was on. She could not/would not answer me, stammered a bit, and just said, "UH, this is just to gather enough signatures to get the issue on a ballot…um, here, you can read it here, on the petition." Makes me wonder if the union is hiring people through the Smart Center again, paid minimum-wage (never union wages, of course), to try to gather signatures. When the union was picketing Gifford Construction for not paying union wages years ago, back when they were helping JPR restore the Cascade Theatre, this is what they did…I talked to several picketers who had no idea why they were holding signs, who themselves were being paid less than $10/hour because it was beneath the union members to hold the signs themselves.

  25. Thank you James for your brilliant article.
    When my husband and I visit the Sun Dial bridge we hear two to three different languages being spoken on the bridge. The Bridge brings world travelers to Redding who might otherwise not pull off the freeway.
    The Sun Dial Bridge Hotel will provide lodging for people who are interested in more than just a place to crash for the night on an I5 trip.
    Snarking out of paying prevailing wages, or bringing in workers from out of town is dishonorable. Redding has some of the best craftsmen and construction teams in the world.
    Again, thank you for your article.

  26. I support and enjoy the Turtle Bay/Sundial Bridge/Sacramento River area. The Sacramento River Trail and connecting trails are unlike anything anywhere else. If you enjoy walking, hiking and bicycling, the vast trail systems our region has to offer are hard to beat. Just the fact that you can ride your bicycle from the Sundial Bridge to Shasta Dam while following the Sacramento River is priceless.

    I also support organized labor and their efforts to demand a living wage in exchange for professional skills. These workers pay taxes and spend money in our community if they make enough money in the first place.

    It is truly a unique place to visit, but Turtle Bay should not have budgeted for significant long term support from the City of Redding. During the best of economic times, the COR made vast investments in a new City Hall, Corporation Yard, Recycling Center, Aquatic Center, Big League Dreams, Turtle Bay, Sundial Bridge and Stillwater Business Park.

    The economic downturn caused the COR to reorganize and downsize departments, layoff employees and reduce wages and benefits. A once model Police Department was dismantled in a few months. The Fire Department, being lean for decades, could only focus on reducing wages and benefits. It was obvious that significant support for Turtle Bay was going away.

    If Turtle Bay is not interested in paying Prevailing Wages, you can assume what they will paying the Hotel employees. Same old story.

    All of the efforts from both sides of this issue will be wasted if our city does not address the rising crime rate(tweekers) and the growing population of homeless and early release inmates. This population also enjoys this area and are becoming more and more visible.

    I find it interesting that every City Council Meeting is not crowded with citizens demanding that something be done to address the issues above. They are much more important than a Hotel at Turtle Bay.

  27. I had not been keeping up on this story in Redding, it is simple enough from this point of view that I certainly don't understand why any one would be protesting the purchase of the land at a value significantly higher than market value or the construction of a new four-star hotel somewhere other than Hilltop Drive where the traffic & freeway noise does not emphasize a good night's rest or offer a particularly pleasant experience in the city of Redding. Admittedly not knowing exactly where the hotel will be built but assuming it will be somewhere close to the current museum I don't see how any more traffic will be created than is created when events take place at the Civic Auditorium. Turtle Bay School has a traffic problem - one way in & one way out and not nearly enough parking for parents during drop off/pick up. Perhaps any additional roadway development that is made to accommodate the hotel could also benefit the school?
    I would be interested to read an op-ed piece from the opposing side just to learn what the other factors not mentioned here may be but hope to find it from a more educated and eloquent writer than some of those leaving comments on articles about the topic on this website and others... really does nothing to impress the outside population when you oppose progress and can't explain why.

  28. November's election turnout will be very high. The unions and pot growers don't understand that they are small minorities. Looks at Shasta county election results from previous years. The Republican congressman wins by nearly 60% in spite of the Record Searchlight (which only reaches 20% of households and somehow thinks it is influential).

  29. This is great news. More minimum wage illegal immigrant jobs while the middle class shrinks. I'm glad to see the architects are looking after themselves. They know which side of their bread is buttered and whose rear ends to kiss for future work.

    So continues the decimation of America. At some point the haves will find that without a middle class there is no demand side in a supply and demand economy and the economy collapses.

  30. Doni,

    can I write an long article answering some of the questions? Mike

  31. I would like to ask we're does The McConnell foundation get there numbers of 3 million dollars in added cost if the pay prevailing wages????
    Everyone forgets if they want what's best for the city it is prevailing wage.. This is why there is prevailing wage. To prevail the wage and help raise the standard of living with every new project. The workers that receive more wages like most other Americans will spend more in there community's.. The true trickle down theory that works.. Spread a little raise to a more instead of a few..
    Does anyone remember why they came up with prevailing wages????
    I'll give a ex sample---
    When a large project built of public/ state/ federal lands came to said area the work force was drawn to it.. Being many people. So of said large project came to let's say Redding and created 1000 jobs in the area, but the average pay was not 10% of existing wages it would drive all wages down.. If it was a very large project like the Dams in the area it could draw thousands for said work force.. If the pay was a poverty level wage to so many it would create slums and ghettos .. Driving the standard of living down in a area..
    Is Redding all for a race to the bottom.. Let people fight to under cut each other wages to beg for a job out of desperation.. if this project is about helping Redding then paying a better wage to build this project should be in the arguing points to those that say this project can be great to the RESIDENTS of Redding..
    SO OTHER WORDS READING DEMAND TO DRIVE UP THE STANDARD OF LIVING IN REDDING NOT DOWN...........

    • Because if labor for the job totals 1 million dollars, then paying prevailing wage makes that number triple.

      Here is a conversation I had with a framer about the hotel long before this was a topic.

      "I can't wait for the hotel job to happen, because it is going to be a prevailer." Said the framer.

      "Oh yeah? Why is that?" I asked.

      "Because I get paid three times as much!" He replied.

      "Wait what? How much do you make normally?" I asked in shock.

      "2o dollars an hour"

      "Holy cow, so you're going to make 60 dollars an hour to frame this job just because its a prevailer???"

      "Yeah. Now I can finally pay off my truck."

  32. When addressing tea parties in a article I would like to see names instead of lumping them in one group.

    For instance how do we know the tea party is against this? Is it individuals or what? Because I do know they don't speak for me and I'm a tea partier. I also know the tea party I belong to does not endorse as a group. Oh and I might add I'm in the union as well (not construction) and they don't speak for me

    I'm for this hotel being built. Screw the unions. Redding needs to move forward. I've been here for 30+ years and get tired of this beautiful area of ours getting road blocks on projects because of only a few who have nothing better to do then to tear it down
    . How about the damn unions work with let's say the airport and get some decent air transportation here. Put your money were your mouth is. I can keep going on.

    As for the unions, grow a pair and write an article and submit your side. if not, all it will look like in my opinion is your nothing but trouble and dividing even more people to get nothing accomplished

    I will close with this. THE HOTEL WILL BE BUILT!!!

  33. Forgive me, an "angry" Reddin'n for being too upset to read any replies past that of "Dugan Barr". Not totally. I saw Valerie Ing's post. Since I am fond of her voice on JPR, I took account of her comment but little can be done to cool this hick's boiling blood.

    My comment: The McConnel Foundation, to the best of my rudimentary yokel knowledge (let's call it idiocy) has a stake in Turtle Bay. It behooves the public to investigate the nature of this "philanthropic" entity. If TB paid "fair market value" on their land lease from the city (our public land) the city and it's angry citizens might recoup some of the $23 Million dollars of wasted investment on the sundial bridge.
    The only people that will gain from a four star hotel in this underprotected area of natural wonders are those with the means to rent it for their pleasure. This includes the people that will make disgusting profits at the expense of us little worker reddin'ns. Look into it before you taste your vile feet, (if you're one of us, that is.)

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