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  1. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    Nomination prediction: Biden/Warren 2020

    The party elders are going to sandbag Bernie, who will take his toys and voters and go home.

    Trump will win the general election in a landslide. The federal courts will continue ceding all power to the executive branch, gutting Congress’s ability to provide meaningful oversight and constraint.

    It stings a little at first, but I’m coming to terms with the fact that we now live in a post-democratic, post-rule-of-law, plutocratic authoritarian state—that’s where we’re at. In America’s über-polarized battle of down-home Peronists vs. honest-to-God social revolutionaries, the populist Mussolini-admiring Peronist rabble have triumphed.

    Let’s just get on with it and make Jeff Bezos our Imperial Leader for Life.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      I don’t think the Democrat party will have to sandbag Biden. I believe that Biden will end up having the plurality of delegates which will make it easier for the DNC to nominate him on the first ballot at the convention. No Steve, Warren will not be the VP nominee. Not s chance. Maybe for Sanders, but not for Biden. She has too much baggage and is not doing well in the campaign. I am vascilating on the outcome of the race. I wouldn’t give up on the Democrats. I think Biden has a shot. The more that Sanders gets scrutinized, the less attractive he becomes. I have been digging into his past and some of his intervieed and beliefs. They are pretty incredible, when the mainstream voters learn of these. Minds will be changed.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        The Democrats will sandbag Bernie, not Biden, and it’s already happening. The mass exodus of moderates and their endorsements of Biden is the start of the sandbagging—I think the drop-outs were steered toward the exits. And I’m not backing down on Warren as Joe’s running mate—the party will have to try to do something to placate the socialists. A female VEEP nominee with liberal bona fides would help.

        • I agree with you, Steve, about a Sanders/Warren ticket. A Sanders/Warren ticket could work, because they’d balance each other, especially since Warren, a former Republican, would appeal to the more moderate/conservative Democrat base.

          The more I see of Biden the more nervous I feel at the prospect of him being president. I don’t think he’s the best and brightest option. Frankly, when Obama chose Biden, I was flummoxed by his decision. I would never have described Biden as a stellar VP, and I cringe when I hear him speak, rooting for him to not put his foot in his mouth.

          Now, I am disappointed but not surprised that Pete and Amy have dropped out and endorsed Biden. If anything, it speaks to the power of the Democratic party’s hold over its candidates. I’m disgusted that the Democratic party is, once again, sandbagging Bernie.

          Joe’s an OK guy, but he seems to be slipping mentally. Check out Trevor Noah’s recent take on Biden – very funny, but kind of scary. https://deadline.com/2020/03/trevor-noah-confused-by-joe-biden-gaffes-1202872949/

          I’ll be glad when the day’s over and we see how things shake out.

      • Avatar Larry Winter says:

        I think Warren’s game plan now is to stick it out to make it to a brokered convention and then hold herself out as the compromise candidate between Bernie and Biden to bring in progs and mods together. She’s still looking to become president, not vice pres.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          I hope you’re right. I’m dropping off my ballot today, marked Warren.

          But I don’t think you’re right. Biden is on a roll. I think the party elders have decided it’s gonna take a safe, non-scary moderate to beat Trump. And if you buy the theory that you win presidential elections these days by electrifying your base—not by sweet-talking and mollifying swing voters—we are well and truly screwed.

          • Avatar Larry Winter says:

            Biden won one primary bigly but these other endorsements don’t come as a surprise.
            Here’s a good counter to your argument that electrifying your base isn’t enough.
            From Rachel Bitecofer, the political scientist that predicted the mid terms.

            https://newrepublic.com/article/156402/hate-ballot

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Joe Biden quoting the sacred Declaration of Independence…

            “We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men and women created by the you know, you know the thing,”

            Oh boy…

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Larry — No, I actually do buy the theory that you win by electrifying your base—that’s why I think we’re screwed. My point was that I don’t think Joe Biden is going to electrify anyone.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Warren couldn’t even win her home state tonight. Embarrassing, she’s got to go. Yep, Biden is on a roll, I have been digging deeper into Sanders and his life and beliefs. Pretty amazing that he never had a full time job until he was almost 40 years old. Sanders so far has escaped serious scrutiny …that is going to end soon.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Warren is polling so low, that she is no longer relevant. I can’t believe last week during the debate when she trotted out that false story about her being let go from her teaching job when she was pregnant. That was proven to be untrue months ago. Yet another one of her yarns she spins. I agree with Steve that the Biden campaign and DNC convinced those candidates to drop out. It is a 2 man race now. Biden and Sanders. I think Biden will over perform today and Bloomberg will under perform, Warren is just auditioning for VP. I’m all in for Biden…he would be a figurehead, seat filler one term president. It may work into the GOP’s benefit. Biden would be a one term president, he won’t really do much….probably will get to nominate a Supreme Court justice…which more than likely will be a moderate. A one term president would set up the GOP nicely to take the presidency in 2024 with Nikki Haley waltzing into the White House for an 8 year term, our first female president.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — I like your relatively progressive thinking here, but do you really believe America is ready to elect a Sikh president? It’s bold just to predict that Haley could get the GOP nomination, given the party’s current embracing of Christian evangelicalism and xenophobia. Even an amoral dumpster fire like Trump has to pretend that he’s a devout Christian.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            As Governor, Nikki Haley had approval ratings that are unheard of.
            Republicans gave Haley a75% approval rating, 63% of Independents and 55% of Democrats. Pretty dang good numbers. I won’t even respond to your comments about her heritage, other than she identifies as Christian.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            A Sanders/Warren ticket may be entirely electable, despite ridiculous efforts by Republicans to paint Sanders as the reincarnation of Stalin (funny how they never mention Scandinavian and other countries, where Sander’s proposals have been successfully implemented, to the great delight of their citizens).

            Apparently anything now goes in presidential elections, given that we currently have a clearly deranged, violence-inciting, blatantly racist, sexist, sociopathic criminal sitting in the Oval Office. Of course we can take heart that he didn’t win by the actual vote, but by an antiquated compromise that needs to be abolished.

            In addition to finally abolishing the electoral college, I hope to see the next (Democratic) president expand the Supreme Court, which may be the only way to save the country’s legal system following the damage Trump has inflicted on it.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            The myth of Nordic socialism is created by a confusion between socialism, meaning government exerting control or ownership of businesses, and the welfare state. The reality is the Nordic countries practice mostly free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for generous government entitlement programs.

            You want to emulate Nordic countries? None of these countries have minimum wage laws, Nordic countries have complete school choice. The government provides families with vouchers for each child. These vouchers can be used to attend regular public schools, government-run charter schools, or private, for-profit schools. Clearly, the use of government funds to pay for private, for-profit schools is the opposite of socialism. Yes…they offer government-paid healthcare, and generous social safety nets, all financed with high taxes.

            What is not often pointed out, however, is that in order to raise enough revenue, these taxes fall disproportionately on the poor, middle and upper middle class. In Denmark, the tax rate is 56% for those making over $65k a year. In addition, the poor and middle class get hit by a 25% value added tax. I doubt the citizen of these countries are delighted with these high taxes.

            If the left insists on naming a system of generous government benefits combined with a free market democratic capatilism, I cannot stop them. Perhaps a better name for what the Nordic countries practice would be compassionate capitalism.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — I think most of us understand that the Nordic countries are “social democracies,” and are not systems of democratic socialism.

            You can try as hard as you like to paint an ugly picture of life in those countries. Their peoples have higher median standards of living, better healthcare and health outcomes, are better educated, have more free time, and in general are happier and more content with their lives. The winters are brutal, but a month in Thailand and Vietnam one year, Spain and Morocco the next, takes the edge off.

            I don’t know where you’re getting that nonsense about vouchers and private, for-profit schools in Nordic countries. Finland has the best schools in the West, and their system is entirely public. Denmark, Sweden, Iceland, and Norway have virtually zero private schools (a few Waldorf schools here and there).

            When I rub elbows with people from European countries, the experience is usually somewhat embarrassing. I hate to say it, but Americans in contrast seem, by and large, ignorant AF. I’m not excluding myself—I hate it when Europeans ask: “What languages do you speak?”

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Oh. You’re referring to Sweden’s “Free Schools,” which are 100% publicly funded, and are more like our charter schools than private schools.

            Yeah, of all the Nordic school systems, go ahead and pick the one that’s dragged Sweden’s performance to the bottom of the Nordic countries. That’s not as lazy as saying “Venezuela” every time someone mentions social democracy, but it’s close to the same level of disingenuousness. And while we’re on the subject, Sweden’s worst-of-the-Nordics voucher system gives off a stink that reminds one of Betty Devos’s yearned-for voucher system for the USA, does it not?

            Congressman: “Sect. Devos, what would be the performance standards for private schools that receive your proposed vouchers, how will achievement be monitored, and what are the adaptive management mechanisms if the standards aren’t being met?”

            Betty Devos: “Performance standards? Uh…….monitoring?” Adaptive mmmm…..what? You’re overcomplicating this. We just want private schools where it’s okay to teach about Jesus on the taxpayer’s dime.”

    • Avatar Common Sense says:

      Biden/Harris for the win!

  2. Avatar Sue says:

    Welcome aboard Steve….glad to have you; the sting will go away.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Sue — It sounds like you’re inviting me to my membership in Start Trek’s “The Borg.” But I feel more like the protagonist from Pink Floyd’s “Comfortably Numb.”

      “Okay…
      Just a little pinprick
      There’ll be no more AHHH AHH AHHH!
      But you may feel a little sick”

  3. Avatar Candace says:

    Steve, ummm, no? Let’s not. I’m worried (though not yet resigned as you seem to be) about the 2020 election results, but man, that’s pretty f’ing bleak. All I can say is I’m hoping your prediction is proven wrong.

  4. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Warren is too strong of a personality for Biden. I see a Biden and Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg ticket.

    Amy and Pete are working for the greater good by stepping away,making sure the Radical Left Sanders doesn’t get it!

    We are heading toward a Brokered Convention for the Dem’s.

    The Virus is continuing to spread and as predicted Washington it taking it hard on the chin……The Dems will start running ads soon here with Trump saying “It’s just a Dem HOAX” the Corona Virus!……It’s coming.

    Wipe your shopping carts and wash your hands……it’s going to get ugly here really soon……..

  5. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    We now know that in America it is possible for a President to ignore the rule of law without consequence. All it took was an immoral orange narcissistic liar. 

    See Trump’s “unlawful” appointment choice for USCIS director —

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/01/federal-judge-cuccinelli-appointment-unlawful-118477

  6. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    I have a question for some of you. I have never been a fan of early voting in elections. I believe it is not good for the process. The last couple of days is a good example.
    I know some of you already voted for Mayor Pete. How do you feel about that? Do you believe that your vote was wasted? Do you now wish you didn’t vote early? Just curious.

    • Fair question, Doug.

      This election has me rethinking my tradition of voting early. If I had voted for Amy and Pete, I would have been highly displeased when they dropped out before Super Tuesday, because even though THEY put their support behind Biden, as a voter I would have wanted the option to choose my next favorite pick, and it wouldn’t have been Biden. So, yeah, the next time I receive my mail-in ballot, I will wait until Election Day and hand-deliver it.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      I waited until yesterday morning to fill out my ballot and dropped it at the polling place (North Cow Creek School) in my neighborhood. I waited precisely because of the unsettled-field factor. Most elections, sending your ballot in early is a non-issue.

  7. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    Sorry to see Mayor Pete get out of the race. He was by far the best politician on stage, usually making the most sense. But he was smart enough to realize him staying in was hurting the middle lane. Good for him for having the good of the party in mind.
    But don’t fear…he can run for president all the way to 2060 and he’ll still be younger than Biden or Sanders

  8. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Just another reason this coronavirus will spread. People are able to pass it for up to 27 days from initial exposure. They are holding the people on the ships and those evacuated for 14 days. See any problems there?

    https://www.foxnews.com/health/wuhan-coronavirus-evacuee-released-quarantine-texas-tests-positive

    Now onto some positive news! Mayor Pete will have an assignment/position in Biden’s Cabinet if Biden wins.

  9. Avatar Candace says:

    As far as Biden vs Sanders goes I agree with the following sentiment: “Compromise hasn’t worked for years and years now, if it ever really did work reliably. It didn’t work when mainstream Republicans were substantially less obstructionist, so I just don’t understand why now, when there is the least hope of political compromise in recent memory, people are pushing even harder for a candidate who will pursue compromise as their principal policy strategy.
    The entire modern Republican strategy is built on refusing to compromise with Democrats, and one of the reasons it is so effective is this self-defeating tendency for Democrats to respond to successful Republican tactics not by fighting back and trying to push their own agenda in the same way, but convincing themselves that if they just silence the more progressive wing and move a little right, then surely, surely this time the Republicans will play ball. And then the Republicans can just sit on their hands while the Democrats negotiate themselves further and further towards the Republican position.
    Republicans don’t structure their politics around appeasement of Democrats. When they lost to Obama twice, they didn’t start insisting that this meant they needed a candidate who would compromise with Democrats – if anything, they insisted on the opposite.”

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      “…The entire modern Republican strategy is built on refusing to compromise with Democrats,…”
      It always amazes me that Democrats insist that Republicans compromise with Democrats, but not visa versa. Regardless of party affiliation, voters seem to prefer politicians who choose stubbornness over negotiation. Ask yourself, What are the principles that are important to you? Is it everything? Are your views on taxes, national defense, immigration, abortion, energy independence, climate change, all set in stone? Are you only willing to come out and vote for politicians who match your zeal on every issue? Are you against compromise with all your key issues?
      How much are you willing for your favorite politician to compromise with President Trump on the border and immigration? So as we face yet another day, week, or month of a stubborn government, we may need to admit our own culpability in this mess.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Doug — Democrats know how to compromise, bigly. When the Bush II administration produced a hunk of stinking cheese to justify the invasion of Iraq, the Democrats in Congress swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. The ACA was an explicit attempt at compromise—the original attempt by Bill and Hillary Clinton for a single-payer system had failed for 100% lack of support from Republicans, so we got the ACA as an attempted Round 2 middle ground. But the ACA also got zero support from Republicans, suggesting that maybe Democrats should stop kidding themselves.

        As a Democrat, I’m 100% in favor of compromise on the border and immigration—like most Democrats, I am NOT in favor of open borders and uncontrolled immigration. I have long argued that there should be more of an emphasis on punishing employers of illegals, for example. Where are the Trump administration’s compromise proposals? Is bypassing Congressional funding by diverting earmarked military funding a compromise? If Trump and the GOP had the faintest interest in compromise, they’d start here: “We’re ending our sadistic practice of separating kids from their parents. That’s not what America is about.” But that sadism sells to Trump’s full arenas of spittle-flecked mouth-breathers. Cruelty is the coin of the current realm.

        Compromise is dead, or at best a one-way street.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          “…Is bypassing Congressional funding by diverting earmarked military funding a compromise? That was done because of the Democrats led by Pelosi unwilling to compromise. President Trump attempted to compromise with allowing protection for DACA kids, that was rejected by Pelosi and Schumer.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Trump attempted to blackmail Democrats into funding his pointless $26-plus Billion border wall (which apparently blows down in a strong wind, and is being successfully scaled with camouflage ladders). Of course given how deranged, unpredictable, and dishonest Trump is, they would have been crazy to trust his word on anything (and they would have been proven right).

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Pelosi and Schumer refused to be strong-armed by Trump, who budgeted almost $6 billion in 2019 to build his wall, and shut the federal government down for more than a month to get his way. When the shutdown failed, the Democrats quickly compromised and gave him almost $1.5 billion, which Trump accepted.

            The diversion 0f about $3.5 billion in military funding was on top of that. That wasn’t a compromise—it was unconstitutional. Congress is supposed to have the power of the purse. (Remember when Republicans used to claim they were against rule by executive fiat? Their embrace of Trump’s repeated end-arounds—particularly his record-setting requests to the Supreme Court for emergency stays—suggests that there’s zero principle underlying that stance.)

            Now Trump wants almost $9 billion in his wall budget for 2020. There’ll be another fight, and a compromise somewhere down the line.

  10. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    The DNC is totally out of control. Did they learn nothing from 2016? Apparently not. Heads will roll in the party as they hand the 2020 election to Trump.
    Sanders is the One.

    • I don’t know, Bruce. It’s not looking good for Bernie at the moment.

      • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

        Biden won the black vote in deep red states that are automatic GOP states. Sanders is winning the Hispanic vote, soon to be the majority of voters in the US, in Colorado, California and neck and neck in Texas.
        I have talked to some Republicans and they fear Sanders is the one who could beat Trump.
        If the DNC wants to beat Trump they are going to have to figure a way for a Sanders/Biden ticket.
        2020 will be a battle between Socialism and Imperialism.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          A few of those southern states that Biden does well in aren’t so automatic these days. The GOP has lost Virginia. As Texas, Florida, and North Carolina continue on the path toward blueness, expect the GOP to crank up the gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement efforts to new levels of awfulness, the latter under the pretense of curtailing non-existent voter fraud.

          As Californians seek cheaper digs, the Mountain West is turning blue, too. New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado are fairly reliably blue. In your Arizona, Hillary lost to Trump by a scant 3%. Utah, Montana, and Idaho are still reliably red, but trending purple.

  11. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    In spite of the expected low-down awfulness Trump and the GOP are capable of, I’m rather encouraged today.

    Elizabeth Warren is smart, well-qualified and deserves substantial acknowledgement and credit. She pretty much eliminated Bloomberg at the Nevada debate and should be a strong VP prospect.

    However if Biden prevails, i’d prefer Kamala Harris at the VP post. She’d make a good fit and would likely follow up in directing Bone Spurs toward a high security place he deserves.

    • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

      I think Biden’s VP should be Susan Rice. Smart, won’t abandon our allies, will appeal to Never Trumpers, qualified to become president.

      • Avatar Gary says:

        I’m in agreement. Susan Rice would make an excellent VP. Perhaps Kamala should be appointed AG.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        Susan Rice? She was in charge of President Obama’s foreign policy. A policy that was a complete failure. She also has Benghazi hanging over her head, remember when she went on all the Sunday news shows and lied about the motive for the attack in Benghazi? She also lied about Syria giving up their chemical weapons. in addition, after the obstruction of Congress impeachment charge…Susan Rice will also have to explain why she refused to testify to Congress about Russian meddling, citing separation of powers between the executive and legislative branches. Exactly what our current president was impeached for. Biden’s VP will be a generic governor of a purple state that he needs to capture. He won’t pick any of the previous candidates.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Doug — Nearly every line in your diatribe is either extreme hyperbole, or flat false. I’m not going to refute it line-by-line. I’ll just focus on one of the more corrosive and false of your accusations: That Rice went on TV and lied to America.

          In the aftermath of Benghazi, Rice was speaking off of a memo of talking points provided by the CIA. None of the following TEN Benghazi investigations determined she had lied. The Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee’s two-year investigation found that neither Rice nor any other government official acted in bad faith or intentionally misled the American people.

          In the immediate aftermath of the attack, intelligence about who carried it out and why was contradictory, the committee found. That led Rice, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, to inaccurately assert that the attack had evolved from a protest.

          All she did was parrot preliminary intelligence that turned out to be flawed. She didn’t lie. The lie is repeating the falsehood that she lied. Former Rep. Trey Gowdy—an honorable man whose politics are 180 degrees opposite of mine—would call you on your bullshit.

          • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

            Thank you, Steve. You saved me from having to call out Doug on his falsehoods about Susan Rice.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Steve, that is patently untrue. I read the entire Benghazi report front to back. One of the findings of the report was, “..The Obama administration knowingly provided the American people a false story about the Benghazi attack, its causes and its consequences.” Rice went on these shows 5 days after the attack…The day after the attack Secy Clinton Emailed world leaders and never mentioned the allusive video. In an Email to the Egyptian PM, she wrote, “…” We know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack – not a protest. . . . Based on the information we saw today we believe the group that claimed responsibility for this was affiliated with al Qaeda.”

            As far as Trey Gowdy calling me on my alleged BS…here is this honorable man, Rep Gowdy questioning Gregory Hicks, a foreign service officer…please watch this 6 min video. Rep Gowdy fleshes out the lies, he is 180 opposite of your assertion.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dha13nm6jKA

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug, I acknowledged that there was conflicting information, and that the Administration chose to go public with the version that turned out to be untrue. When it was all said and done, the Republicans said that the Obama administration, CIA and military had failed operationally, but hadn’t lied. That wasn’t good enough for two of the member of the Select Committee, who issued their own supplementary report so that they could claim that the conflicting accounts by the administration proved they were lying. Those two outliers were hyper-partisan GOP Representatives Jim Jordan and Mike Pompeo. They, like you, insist that making factually incorrect statements makes you a liar. Unless it’s your side making the factually incorrect statements, in which case it’s just an error. Unless it’s Trump, in which case no assertion is ever incorrect.

            Another hyper-partisan tool, Rep. Kevin McCarthy, justified the Select Committee spending >2 years and >$7 million to find nothing to contradict they findings of other committee investigations like this: “Clinton’s numbers are dropping.” The GOP-led House spent more time and money investigating Benghazi than was spent on the 9/11 investigations.

            Hillary Clinton testified before the Select Committee for a grueling 11 hours. I’m not a fan, but she was roundly commended for her performance in the face of intense grilling. In the end, Gowdy refused to assert that anyone in the administration had lied. He simply said, “Read the report.” He later called the investigation he chaired—and in particular Clinton’s public testimony—”an utter, unmitigated failure.”

            Lastly, if Benghazi had occurred during the Trump administration, the Sect. of State would never have testified. Nor would any other Trump administration officials have testified, save those who chose to ignore the dictates of the White House.

            The Obama administration took their lumps, acknowledged their failures, and concluded: (1) we mourn the tragic loss of four Americans, (2) we need to learn from the mistakes we made, but (3) we should not use this event as a reason to withdraw from the world’s stage. Clinton, correctly or not, repeatedly emphasized the third point in her testimony and presidential campaign.

            I will give you this: Rice (and Clinton) badly mishandled the issue of her private email server and Russian meddling in elections. Badly, but not as badly as Trump, who still flatly denies that Russian meddling is even a thing, for which you give him a pass.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            I don’t want to re-litigate the Benghazi affair…I would just add this. The CIA talking points said nothing about the video. That was added by the White House. The White House also changed the wording of the memo. Changing spontaneous demonstration to spontaneous attack. One of the CIA’s original talking points that the attack was pre-planned.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Point of order. You said, “… He (Trey Gowdy) later called the investigation he chaired—and in particular Clinton’s public testimony—”an utter, unmitigated failure.”

            That is not really what he said. He was talking about public Congressional hearings. He said in the sentence before that , “…“What we learned this past week is how utterly useless public congressional hearings are,” He went on to say , “…“The closed-door hearings are constructive. You get an hour to ask questions as opposed to five minutes,”…“What serious finder of fact can you name that identifies information in five-minute increments and does it on television and flips from one side to the other? Grand jury doesn’t do it. Your local sheriff doesn’t do it. The United States attorney doesn’t do it.” And finally, Gowdy didn’t say that Clinton’s testimony was an “”an utter, unmitigated failure.” He said that HE was an ”an utter, unmitigated failure.” for allowing a public testimony rather than a closed door hearing.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Sorry, Katherine…Steve didn’t save you. His claim is just not true as I spelled out in my reply. My other examples I gave are true as well…she did in fact refuse to testify to Congress, and she lied about chemical weapons in Syria. She would be a liability for Biden as a VP candidate…and Biden needs all the help he can get.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            I’ll concede this: Rice shouldn’t be Biden’s VP pick. You’re right that Biden needs all the help he can get, and Rice is too much of a lightening rod to provide that kind of support. A popular politician from a swing state is probably the way to go. Or a prominent black Democrat who might help energize that portion of the party (though Joe is obviously popular among African-Americans on his own).

            As much as I’d like Biden’s running mate to be a woman, I’m not stuck on it. In the primaries, Democratic women didn’t support the female candidates—Warren came in third among women in her own state. I like Warren and voted for her in the primary, but reality is a bitch—she’s not going to energize women to get out and vote for Joe if she can’t even get them to vote for her.

  12. Avatar Sue says:

    You can never take elections for granted; some of us are excited with the results. I’m kinda thinking Biden will choose Kamala also, but I think that’s a poor decision, she has zero charisma. I do think it’ll be a woman; maybe Liz, Michelle or Hillary, nothing surprises me anymore. Trump’s landslide victory in November will be in part because Bernies not his opponent, he would have given Trump a better fight. With so much at stake for Dems; as in Supreme Court, you would think they could have found a better candidate than Biden. Too late now

    • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

      Trump’s ruined Supreme Court is currently debating whether to let a totally unnecessary law go into effect that will deny millions of girls and women around the country access to a safe, legal abortion, and of course his two appointees are leaning toward approving it.

      Any doctor who performs abortions would be required to have admitting privileges at the nearest hospital, which is not as easy as it sounds. The hospital administration would basically need to put these doctors on staff, but no hospital wants to be dragged into the abortion debate, so they are pretty much always denied.

      When this completely pointless law goes into effect, millions of girls and women will be sentenced to pregnancy slavery, forced childbirth (14 times more deadly than legal abortion), and will then be forced to make the traumatic decision to either raise their child themselves or give it away to strangers. If they choose the latter they will spend the rest of their lives agonizing over whether they did the right thing.

      Any Justice who approves this law (which has no purpose other than to make abortion inaccessible) should be held liable for the generations of human suffering they cause.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        My first daughter was born using a certified nurse midwife. They needed to have hospital privileges too. It is for the safety of the patients. Good thing too, my wife had complications during labor and we needed those hospital privileges

        “…millions of girls and women will be sentenced to pregnancy slavery.” That is such an irresponsible and hyperbolic statement.

        • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

          Legal abortion is safer than a tonsillectomy, and childbirth is considerably more deadly. In the extremely miniscule percentage of cases where there is any complication from legal abortion, nothing prevents the doctor from accompanying the woman to the hospital to provide information – even without admitting privileges. The ENTIRE purpose of this proposed law is to deny women and girls access to legal abortion

          And it most certainly is NOT an “irresponsible and hyperbolic statement”. But of course you will never be forced to give up nearly a year of your life to sickness, pain, and disability, while dragging around something that feels like a lead-filled basketball for months before risking your life in the hours – or days – long agony of childbirth.

  13. Avatar Common Sense says:

    With the amount of “Joementum” going right now the only hope the GOP has is if Trump actually does find some skeleton in the closet. I think that may not happen,similar to the 54 investigations into Hillary and her emails but hey….if you have nothing…..a little hope for something looks pretty good!

    Well what can we expect in the next month or two….new AMAZING information dug up in the Ukraine saga….heck lets plan on having Hillary dragged in once again just for kicks and God knows what else they can cook up!

    Get to Like Joe……because he will be the one you will voting for if you want the Orange Guy out. Perhaps not your favorite…..not mine either but at this point….If Mickey Mouse were running and could beat the Orange guy…..He would have my vote!

    Wouldn’t even shock me if they start rehashing the whole Epstein thing again and bringing bill c in on it if there is any indication that Hillary may be involved in the Biden Admin!

    Anyone notice the millions of Marauding Killer Immigrants seemed to disappear? I know that was so yesterday….Notice that wall isn’t really getting built that Mexico was supposed to pay for…..notice that the kids in cages are….still in cages.

    Bring out the real clowns now….Matt Gaetz wearing a full gas mask at the coronavirus event…..

  14. Avatar Common Sense says:

    A page out of the N.Korea and 3rd Reich playbook….Suppress the info……only tell them the Min necessary. If things get out of control we may lose the Election! And the Orange guy wouldn’t like that!

    The first couple of weeks when this latest virus started out and they were saying there were only 2800 cases in China yadda yadda…..a nurse in China posted on F.B there were actually 95k at that Moment in China! That post…..disappeared…..as probably did she if they found out who the nurse was.

    Sure sure you say….it really only affects the Elderly and that may be a true statement or those with compromised immune systems etc but nursing homes really aren’t prepared for this kind of thing.

    Hopefully by now you shorted your cruise ship stocks if you had any…..couldn’t pay me to take a cruise anytime soon!

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/experts-accuse-trumps-cdc-of-withholding-crucial-information-about-the-coronavirus-from-doctors/

  15. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    While the majority of you are jumping on the Biden train as well as some Dem candidates that are now trying to be the VP choice I will stay with Sanders. He is the anti-Trump.
    Biden is the establishment Democrat bandaid Socialism that has been proven to be as much a failure as the GOP trickle down theory. When Biden loses to Trump, like Clinton did, the Dems will blame Russia, the Electoral College, Republican redistributing everybody but themselves.
    Voters are sick of business as usual, that’s what elected Trump. Sanders is talking revolution, which this country needs.
    Socialism or Imperialism should be the choice. Sanders against Trump.

  16. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    With Warren and Sanders both holding rallies this week in Phoenix some are suggesting the two progressives join ranks. While The Squad backs Sanders, of interest to Redding, Megan Rapinoe backs Warren.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Warren came in third place in her home state. Both Biden and Sanders did better with women voters. She came in 3rd place among women voters. She will not help any candidate.

      • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

        Warren’s donor war chest is above Biden’s and money is what will help when dealing with Bloomberg who will now try to buy the VP spot.

        • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

          Bruce,

          If voters were just rejecting the status quo in voting for Trump, he would likely have also gotten the Black vote, the Hispanic vote, the votes of women in general, etc.

          Instead he was primarily elected by under-educated white men, their female hangers-on, and the least educated religious fundamentalists. His election was ALL about restoring white male privilege (at everyone else’s expense), and dragging the country back into its civil-rights-violating, Old Testament-banging past.

          • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

            Patricia, Trump won because Hillary Clinton was hated almost as much as Trump. The only candidate Trump could beat was HRC. If the DNC hadn’t sabotaged Sanders campaign, like they are trying to do again, we would have President Sanders.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            The white male supremacists, their female coat tail riders, and the fundamentalist “Christians” who voted for Trump would have hated any female Democratic candidate – if there is one thing they hate more than anything else (with the possible exception of a Black president) it’s an accomplish, successful progressive woman.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            It appears that the Democrats roundly rejected an an accomplished, successful progressive woman. With Warren dropping out today, the Democrats are left with 2 old white guys. Can’t blame that on Republicans. And as I said earlier, Warren, in her home state came in 3rd among women voters. I guess it looks like the Democrat party is filled with white male supremacists and their female coat tail riders too.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Or perhaps they just recognize (as I do) that there is still too much sexism in this backward country to elect a woman president, and the important thing is to oust the sociopathic monster currently in office.

            As much as I would like to see the country’s first female president, I’m realistic enough to acknowledge that there is still a much higher bar for a female than a male candidate. The same qualities that too many less-than-bright people see as admirable in a man they consider unpleasant in a woman. Very few women can walk that fine line successfully, but hopefully there will soon come a time when they don’t have to.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            It’s not surprising that Democrats are skittish about nominating a woman. Their accomplished, experienced female candidate lost to an unmannered, egotistical, pig-ignorant sociopath last presidential election.

            The last two Republican presidents have taught the Democrats a hard lesson: It’s not enough to win a plurality of the votes. You have to woo Dipshitistan in order to take the Electoral College, and in Dipshitistan, women are still second-class citizens.

  17. Avatar Common Sense says:

    A Biden and Bloomberg Ticket…..make America Rich again!

    If Bloomberg dumps $200-$400 Million into the Biden Campaign it’s lights out for the Orange guy!

    You know the same guy right now saying people should just go to work that have the Corona Virus and it’s not a big deal!

    Stop jut for a second, why do the Republicans love Bernie? Why did the Orange Guy say to vote for Bernie in the Primaries to some of his base? Because they KNOW Trump can beat Bernie! That’s why…..do you want a Dem to Beat the Orange Guy?? It’s Biden.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-work-coronavirus-074817221.html

  18. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    Biden won because of the Black vote. How many Blacks will still support him now that Bloomberg is in his camp? If Bloomberg had dropped out and switched to Biden’s camp before Super Tuesday it is likely that it wouldn’t have been as super for the former VP.
    Sanders can beat Trump and Biden can’t.

    • Avatar Common Sense says:

      I don’t think Biden is dumb enough to bring Bloomberg onto the new ship! But a Strong female V.P like Klobuchar might round out the ticket nicely. Warren and Biden are a bit like oil and water.
      I think he will put Kamala in as the new A.G! And if he does…..oh boy are the fireworks going to get lit!
      In the meantime perhaps Mini Mike will throw a hundred Mill here and there for Biden….put him way over the top! A Decisive Win over the Orange Guy!

      >>>Biden now on a roll will pull between 70-75% of the Florida Vote!<<<

  19. Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

    The idea that Biden will select Bloomberg as his running mate is ridiculous. Bloomberg has said he will give large amounts of money and the widespread organization he created for the primaries to Biden and down-ticket Democrats. Biden is not stupid. He knows that Bloomberg is unpopular.

  20. R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

    Obviously I’m disappointed Bernie didn’t win more states, but after California is counted, the race for delegates will be neck-and-neck between him and Biden. Now the Democratic side can debate this issue of expanding the social safety net to protect people besides billionaires. That’s not exactly Biden’s strong point, to say the least. In fact, so far Joe has offered nothing but platitudes on every issue, from the environment to the economy to health care. Biden doesn’t do well under pressure, and now that he’s officially the front runner, I expect gaffs galore.

    The good news is, Trump is finished no matter who wins the Democratic nomination. His administration has bungled the coronavirus pandemic bigly, recession before the election is inevitable. The Fed’s cutting of interest rates does no work for supply shocks, which began in China when half the factories that supply US firms shut down and are now cascading through the global economy. Depending on how serious the pandemic becomes, we could be looking at a severe economic depression.

    As far as VP picks for Democrats go, Susan Rice is a non-starter, the quintessential “neoliberalcon” a phrase I coined (see Urban Dictionary) with Democratic bureaucrats such as her in mind. Rice is a war monger, was deeply involved in the U.S.-sponsored coup of Ukraine in 2014 and the disastrous Hillary Clinton-led destruction of Libya. Rice was a proponent of arming the Sunni militants in Libya and Syria that eventually morphed into ISIS. She’s worse than a neocon. She’s a neoliberalcon.

    If Warren values her reputation, she’ll endorse Bernie and Bernie will choose her as VP. That’s my dream ticket. Biden would do well by picking Amy Klobuchar for his VP. Whoever it is, there has to be a woman on the ticket.

    Rumor has it that Trump is looking to replace Pence with Nicky Haley, a warmonger on Rice’s scale. He may have hired Pence for the coronavirus gig just so he can fire him for Trump’s own screw-ups. It’s going to hilarious watching the wheels fall of the Trump train, as long as I don’t get sick first!

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Oh, how I envy your optimism, R.V.

      The mouth-breathers who think that drinking Corona beer is risky also believe Commander Shinsplints when he tells them that the Democrats are responsible for coronavirus coming to America, ‘cuz they didn’t fund his wall. They’re not going anywhere, and they’re not going to stop being gullible, ignorant, Gomers and Goobers. If there’s a depression, Orange Mussolini will tell them it’s the fault of the Democrats, the Hollywood elite, the university professors, and the dusky people, stirring the embers of their gobshite anger.

      • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

        Steve, wait a minute. Are you REALLY saying that I didn’t need to throw out that six pack of Corona?

        Dude, I predict that the president will end up blaming you for the spread of the virus.

        Geez, what some folks will do to gain a little notoriety.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Relating to another conversation under Val’s post today: If the Corona Especial Virus gets me, I’ve instructed my survivors to play Son Volt’s “Tear Stained Eye” and “Windfall” when they shoot my cremains into the Black Canyon of the Gunnison with a surgical tubing slingshot.

          https://youtu.be/SIHtFySoo6U

  21. Avatar CHRISTIAN Gardinier says:

    The probability of a Bernie Bro against Biden Bro’s is real. The never again Democrat B.Bro. wing is active and loud, even through Sanders denounces them and is using mainstream Obama in T.V. commercials. I voted Sanders, but made the pledge. Whoever wins the nomination we all need to do this. https://pledge.indivisible.org/

  22. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    Federal Judge Says He Needs to Review Every Mueller Report Redaction Because Barr Can’t Be Trusted

    Judge Reggie Walton slammed the attorney general’s “misleading,” “calculated” attempt to spin the report in Trump’s favor.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/barr-mueller-report-redactions-foia.html?via=features

  23. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    Who was Bernie talking to on his cell phone?
    As Sanders motorcade drove from the airport to his rally, it stopped and Bernie walked through residential streets as he talked alone on his cell phone, he obviously didn’t want anyone else to hear his conversation. He was on the cell for a good five minutes until he got back in his car and finished the drive to Veterans Stadium. He didn’t walk like a 78 year old but was obviously in good physical condition.
    Bernie is the One.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Maybe it was a personal call. Or maybe he just needed as short stroll. Us old guys need to watch out for blood clots in the legs from sitting too long.

  24. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    Fox News gets criticized on these pages frequently…however, I was watching MSNBC the other day ( I enjoy getting different perspectives of the news) and heard Brian Williams talking about Bloomberg and the $500 million he spent on the campaign. Brian Williams went on to say that Bloomberg could have given each American $1 million and still have money left over. Now, I never profess to be a math wizard…but, really?

    • Avatar Gary Tull says:

      Williams lost his primetime anchor position with NBC back in 2015 for using exaggerations and mistruths. Let’s see what they do with him now. Like Matthews, he can’t shut up when he should.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      LOL, Doug. I don’t watch TV news, but I had to look up the video of that to see it for myself, and it’s WAY worse than as you describe. I was expecting a kind fleeting verbal gaffe, but Williams really leans into it.

      On the other hand, Williams is merely a fallen talking head. That quip was the kind of absurdity that President Microencephaly says on an almost daily basis. The primary difference being that Williams—while being absurdly wrong—was at least comprehensible.

      • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

        Brian Williams apologized for the error and had the segment removed from the replay later that night. When is the last time you heard Hannity, for example, apologize for his constant lies? I like Brian Williams, especially his dry sense of humor.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          The double standard IS galling. Someone at MSNBC makes dumb mistake, and guys like Doug act like it’s proof that everyone among the left-leaning media are idiots, and that’s why “nobody watches MSNBC.” (A fib by Doug. Fox News is was highest rated cable network on TV in 2019. MSNBC was #2, ahead of ESPN. And if you add the rating of CNN and MSNBC—the networks that guys like Doug like to label as leftists—they easily outdo Fox.)

          Meanwhile, over on Fox—which by Doug’s logic, conversely, must be a fountainhead of TRUTH because of those high ratings—Hannity is spewing his usual witless untruths and distortions in service of Trump, and Jesse Watters goes off on the Chinese like it’s 1875, describing them as sub-humans who eat raw bats on sticks right there in the open markets where almost all communicable diseases originate, to howls of derisive laughter by his co-hosts.

          There’s a similar dynamic here. Williams makes a major idiotic gaffe, and my response is: “Yeah….idiotic gaffe.” Because that’s what it was. Doug, on the other hand, will defend Hannity and Fox News until the end of time (except perhaps in response to this post, just to be the contrarian).

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            MSNBC has quite the history of ‘dumb mistakes’. Let’s take a look atmore of your continual exaggerations you love to spew.
            “… Jesse Watters goes off on the Chinese like it’s 1875, describing them as sub-humans who eat raw bats on sticks right there in the open markets”
            Where did Watters describe the Chinese as sub-human? Hint: He did not. He criticized the Chinese government for their handling of the virus and demanded an apology. He went on to say that the origination of the virus probably started in these wet markets where they sell bats and snakes, which is the actual working theory. But again, he did not say anything about the Chinese people, he criticized the government for not being able to feed their people.
            Yes, Steve…Fox has Hannity, a partisan hack that I rarely watch…and MSNBC has Rachel Maddow, a partisan hack on the liberal side. Both equally insufferable to watch, but I guess because she is spouts your beliefs, you are ok for that kind of partisan hack. At least MSNBC has Chris Matthews, that is sometimes a tiny bit fair in his reporting. Oh wait…nevermind.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — Unless you’re delusional, you can’t watch Watters’ diatribe without taking it as a racist rant. He was widely criticize for spewing racist tropes in the episode—that’s why it garnered so much attention. Anyone who can watch it and convince themselves that it wasn’t racist is part of the “many good people on both sides” toleration problem.

            Racism, at best, is the worldview that some races are superior to others. At worst, it’s the worldview that some races are sub-human, or at least so inferior that they deserve being treated as such.

            I’m not backing down on this one, Doug. Watters spoke of the Chinese as if they’re sub-human. To illustrate, he lied that they eat raw bats and snakes in the market “because they’re desperate.” And Fox News has had to apologize for his anti-Asian racism in the past—there’s a history.

            I say the above as someone who isn’t a big fan of Chinese culture or its government—the culinary and medicinal traditions that have led to the wholesale slaughter of endangered species and degradation of habitat sicken me, as does the cultural insensitivity that places very little value on nature (first brought to my attention by a Chinese grad student colleague at UCD).

            Lastly, the origin in the wet market in Wutan is not “the working theory.” (I’ll excuse the conflation of theory and hypothesis.) The market may have been a place where many people contacted it (if you’ve ever been in an Asian market, you’ll know first-hand the extent to which the conditions are akin to cruise ships). It’s been established for some time that the first confirmed case of CORVID-19 in Wutan wasn’t contracted at the market, because that person never went there.

            And I see that you glaringly have no desire to defend your own lie (let alone apologize)—that “nobody watches MSNBC.”

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            You said that Watters described Chinese people as sub-human. I watched the clip 3 times now. Show me anywhere in it that he said anything of the sort, or said anything remotely racist? He did not. He demanded an apology from the Chinese government. He criticized the Chinese government for their secrecy and deception. Here are a couple of recent headlines: from CBS News…”Scientists believe coronavirus originated in wild animal markets — and they want the Chinese government to shut them down”. From the NY Times….”China’s Omnivorous Markets Are in the Eye of a Lethal Outbreak Once Again”
            From Business Insider…”China just banned the trade and consumption of wild animals. Experts think the coronavirus jumped from live animals to people at a market.”

            I guess all these news outlets are racists too? Or is it just Watters and Fox?

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — Again, I didn’t claim to be quoting him. His description was racist AF, and I explained the underpinnings of racism, including that in the extreme, racists talk of other races as if they’re sub-human. That’s how I took his braying, wild-eyed, spittle-flecked, racist-ass rant that made for some considerable nervous laughter among his co-hosts. I’m not asking you to see it that way.

            Saying that the outbreak may have started in a wet market—or at least blown up there—is a far cry from saying that it’s because the Chinese eat raw bats, and they should apologize for being the source of the disease. I guess that subtly is lost on you.

            And if you’re asking for a defense of *any* cable news network, you should know by now that I’m the wrong guy to ask. As I’ve said innumerable times here, I think cable TV news all crap.

            Still no defense of your “nobody watches MSNBC” fib, huh? Deflection *is* one of your favorite tools.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Ok, I got it now…someone criticizing a Communist government is the same as calling all Chinese ‘sub-human’ . Quite the stretch there, Steve.
            Let me quote NPR, not exactly a right wing organization, “…Patients who came down with disease at the end of December all had connections to the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan China…Researchers believe the new virus probably mutated from a coronavirus common in animals and jumped over to humans in the Wuhan bazaar. researchers of zoonotic diseases — diseases that jump from animals to humans – pinpoint the wet markets in mainland China as particularly problematic for several reasons….these markets often have many different kinds of animals – some wild, some domesticated but not necessarily native to that part of Asia. The stress of captivity in these chaotic markets weakens the animals’ immune systems and creates an environment where viruses from different species can mingle, swap bits of their genetic code and spread from one species to another.”

            I could easily make the arguement (but I won’t) that your comment of, “…I say the above as someone who isn’t a big fan of Chinese culture” as being more of a racist comment than what Watters said.

            As far as cable news ratings, after the Russian collusion nothingburger, MSNBC’s ratings dropped while Fox remained strong. Down 19%. Fox dropped 1%. Sure, as the Democrat primary kicks in, ratings on all cable news channels will remain high. But watch what happens after the election, Fox will stay strong and MSNBC will be in the CNN cellar

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — I have no problem whatsoever criticizing the Chinese government—in fact, I did just that. Your contention that I was saying such criticism amounts to racism is idiotic. Criticizing the Chinese government had nothing to do with Watters’ overt racism.

            I also reject the liberal notion of “who are we to judge?” when it comes to criticizing other cultures. Whereas you have defended the Saudi Arabian culture in the past, I think it’s horrific. I find cultures based on fundamentalist religions to be horrific in general, and I’m not going back down on that. If a religious culture allows that it’s proper for a father whose daughter has been raped to kill her because he’s so filled with shame, who are we to judge? Who are we NOT to judge? Cultures aren’t races, but if you want to accuse me of racism on this point, knock yourself out.

            As for the epidemiology, I already acknowledged that the wet market was likely where it blew up—what is your problem?. That’s supported by data, as is “Patient 0” remaining someone who had nothing to do with the market. Everything else you parroted is speculation.

            And as for your feeble defense of “Nobody watches MSNBC,” I can only respond: Scoreboard. MSNBC is the second-most watched cable network. It’s ratings of course go up and down, and you pointing that out doesn’t make your “Nobody watches MSNBC” falsehood any more truthful.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Let’s try this one more time. watch Watters segment one more time and explain to me in what part of it did he infer that Chinese people are sub human. That was your interpretation of what he said What part of it was racist?

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Let’s not.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          ..about as often as Rachel Maddow apologizes for her constant lies.

          • Avatar Gary Tull says:

            Doug — I call total nonsense against your “continual exaggerations” remark.
            There is way more truth-telling on MSNBC during any given 15 minute segment (you might choose) compared to any one-hour block of Fox News — any day, anytime. Absolutely. Indisputably. Gaurant-damn-teed!
            As for Rachel Maddow — she inserts humour a lot in with her commentary. If you misread her style than you are probably not accepting the gist of her message anyway. On rare occasion she may misspeak and get something wrong. When that happens, she appropriately apologizes and makes the correction.
            In my opinion, Chris Hayes’ version of reporting is ideal. His show precedes TRMS.
            Both anchors generally have better qualified guests on their shows than Fox typically have. Senate Repubs are often reached out to and invited to appear as guests on MSNBC but seldom even return their invitation calls.

            BTW- I highly recommend watching Andrew Zimmern’s WHAT’S EATING AMERICA fourth episode Sunday, 6PM (Pacific time) on MSNBC.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            My guess is Gary that you watch no Fox at all, I however watch Rachel Maddow and other shows frequently. I usually don’t watch all of her show, because she is too insufferable. But I fast forward through a lot of it and watch what interests me. I do the same with Hannity he is also a partisan hack and not my favorite. Which was my point. Maddow and Hannity are two peas in a pod…they are both partisan hacks, and shouldn’t be used as a source for news. I personally can’t watch 2 minutes of Chris Hayes. He is awful. The difference between Fox and MSNBC, is that Fox most of the time will have the liberal view represented in their talking head panels, whereas MSNBC rarely does.
            I would recommend for you to watch Bret Baier on Fox at 3:00. By far the best and fair news show on cable.

            In looking at the math flub of Williams and his guest…yes, it was silly, however, it obviously went through a number of producers before getting on the air. They had graphics and everything set up. That should be troubling for MSNBC.
            My point being Gary, is that the left frequently has a fit over and criticizes Fox News for being biased. Well, yeah…Fox is a right leaning news station the same way that MSNBC is a left leaning station. Why can’t we have both?

    • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

      Brian Williams has a dry sense of humor. You shouldn’t take that statement literally.

  25. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    A Federal Judge brutally rebuked William Barr. If Democrats want to make sure Trump is gone in November, they better act against Barr soon.

    “This validated what we’ve been saying from the beginning — that Barr deliberately distorted the contents of the Mueller report to pull the wool over America’s eyes,” Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), a member of the House Judiciary Committee.https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/06/judge-just-brutally-rebuked-william-barr-democrats-must-act/

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Hey Gary…it’s over…the Russian collusion scandal is done. Nobody but you and Common Sense cares about it anymore. Time to find a new scandal. Here’s one for you…If you abhor abuse of power. How about jumping on the FISA Court abuses by the FBI and the surveillance of Trump campaign workers. Doesn’t that disturb you? If you don’t consider FBI lying, concealment of evidence, and manipulation of documents in order to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign to be a major scandal, what is? Or do you not care because these abuses were designed to hurt Trump?

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        It’s far from over, Doug. Senate Republicans are initiating investigations of the Bidens. House Democrats are going to go after Barr.

        Should it disturb us that the FBI wiretapped Trump’s campaign manager? Definitely. That campaign manager was a criminal who is currently serving hard time in a federal prison. Paul Manafort is a dirtbag, and it’s definitely disturbing that Trump surrounds himself with dirtbags.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          You seemed to have left out Carter Paige, an adviser to Trump. The interesting thing about that is, Paige was approached by Russians attempting to recruit him as an intelligence source…he did the right thing and reported these contacts to the CIA. The CIA made him an “operational contact”. The FBI knew about Paige’s relationship with the CIA, but omitted it from the FISA application, even going as far as changing Emails and lying to say that Paige was not a CIA source. That should cause us all to be concerned, no matter who the president is.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Oh, yeah, poor Carter Paige. They guy who said that Putin is a better leader than Obama. The guy who used to brag around Moscow and Washington DC that he was an adviser to The Kremlin. The OG swamp monster.

            “I don’t believe that the FBI looking into Carter Page means they were spying on the campaign. I also don’t believe it proves anything about collusion. He was a guy that was on their screen even before the campaign. I don’t think they did anything wrong. There were a lot of reasons unrelated to the (Steele) dossier why they wanted to look at Carter Page.” —Sen. Marco Rubio, saying that Carter Page was investigated by the FBI for acting like Carter Page

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Is that the type of government you are willing to accept? Because you don’t like Carter Page, you are ok with the FBI wiretapping an American citizen with no probable cause? The FBI Director agreed that the Justice Department and the FBI illegally surveilled Carter Page. A FBI agent doctored evidence against Carter Page, but that’s ok because you don’t like him. The FBI submitted exaggerated or incomplete information to the FISA Court, but that’s ok because you don’t like him. The FBI ruined this man’s life, but thats ok because you don’t like him. Good grief, Steve….

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            I didn’t say any of those things. Nice tru.

            I just that Paige is a dirtbag who got treated like a dirtbag. If someone acted illegally in treating him like the dirtbag that he is, they should be held accountable. But for now, I’m more inclined to believe Sen. Rubio than you and Trump.

  26. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    Mitt Romney backed out of his statement that he would likely NOT vote in favor of the upcoming manufactured Republican fishing expedition into non-existent wrong-doing by Joe Biden in regard to Burisma.

    Anyone with a brain can tell the difference between someone who simply goes along with numerous other world leaders in demanding the ouster of a massively corrupt state prosecutor, and someone who sneaks around behind the scenes to blackmail a foreign president into creating something out of whole cloth for personal gain. What makes this witch hunt even more unethical is that the investigation into Burisma by this corrupt prosecutor was dropped before Hunter Biden even joined its board.

    At least it looks like William Barr is finally going to get what he deserves for misrepresenting the findings in the Mueller Report in order to hide Trump’s criminal activities. This country would need an entire second government to adequately investigate Trump’s never-ending crimes and scandals.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      “…misrepresenting the findings in the Mueller Report in order to hide Trump’s criminal activities. ”
      The entire report was released to the public. What criminal activities were hidden? You mean those criminal activities that Congress couldn’t find to impeach him on?

      • Avatar Miguel says:

        “The entire report was released to the public ..”
        No it WASN’T. And anyone as informed as yourself knows this is untrue. In fact, the latest skirmish between a federal judge and William Barr (and what a piece of work we have here! We’ve now come to the place where federal judges are publicly condemning the head of our Justice department as “possibly biased and untrustworthy.”) came about in the context of resolving a Freedom of Information suit requesting the heavily redacted materials in that very same report. Kinda’ hard to argue that the material has been released when the POINT of the suit is the release of the materials.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          The redacted material was redacted by law. Material collected through the grand jury process cannot be disclosed, according to Title III, Rule 6 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. You also cannot release classified material. In addition, the unredacted version of the report was available to 12 Congressional leaders, 6 Republicans and 6 Democrats. None of the Democrats chose to read the unredacted version.
          So I take it Miguel, that in the 448 page report, the redacted material is the material the proves President Trump’s guilt. That’s a good one.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Doug Cook,

            You are once again being deliberately obtuse in continuing to defend the indefensible. Barr’s synopsis of the Mueller Report was brazenly dishonest, which even Mueller himself pointed out. It in no way absolved Trump.

            In addition, the simplified grounds which were the Democrat’s focus were enough in themselves to impeach him, but of course Republicans were determined not to do the right thing, no matter what evidence they had to ignore. When the country has a less corrupt administration (and the people at the highest levels of government are no longer devoted to endlessly covering up for Trump), I’ve no doubt much of the truth will be revealed

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Patrecia, it was the Democrat controlled House that came up with the impeachment charges. None of the charges had anything to do with the failed Russian collusion narrative. It was a dud. The simplified grounds you speak of were of course not near enough to impeach the president. If Russian collusion was proven, Nadler and Schiff would have included them.

          • Avatar Miguel says:

            I am not saying that the redactions prove this or that (how could I possibly, without having the materials?). I am not even saying the redactions are unnecessary or should be removed (although given the cast of characters here ..). What I am saying is that your statement, qoute: “the entire report was released to the public” is just plainly false. And that, given your level of engagement, you knew that when you made it.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Miguel — Welcome to Doug’s tactics of moving the goalposts and repeating of outright falsehoods.

            “The entire report was released to the public.”

            Bullshit, Doug.

            “The redacted material was redacted by law.”

            Bullshit, Doug.

            “None of the Democrats chose to read the unredacted version.”

            Doug, how full of bullshit can you be? There was NEVER an unreacted version. The six Democrats boycotted Barr’s less-redacted version because they wanted a fully unreacted version. What color is the sky in your world?

  27. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Barr and the Orange Guy are a both going to Jail when Biden Wins. Kamala Harris, if she does end up being the New A.G, Will happily open that file up and start her process on Day One!

    The Funny thing about the Truth……sometimes it seems it got buried…..hidden…..lost….but sooner or Later…..It Always Shows Up!

    The History Books will be full of – It’s was the most Corrupt Administration and players that this Country has ever seen! How many are in Jail Doug?

    And Yes Doug…..when the Mueller Report…..the “Actual Report” comes out……it will have everything in it……..you just haven’t Seen the Actual Report yet. Crime after Crime after Crime……It would be hard to write a Screen play this good! A mix of the Mafia with a dose of Foreign Assets/Spies and Campaign Violations and Money Laundering and so much more…..all led by the Bully in Chief…the Mob Boss….the Russian ASSet. They might have to dye his hair green when they get to the underlying, it was all about the MONEY part of the movie?

  28. Avatar Common Sense says:

    We are now at the Circling of the Waggon’s part in this Melodrama. More firings and only those that wholeheartedly are willing to go down with the Orange Captain on the Trumptanic…..only the Loyalists will surround the Captain now.

    Everything he touches dies……or gets sent to jail…..but the blind lemmings still head for the cliffs…..ding…ding…ding…….not much left on the Trumptanic!

    The Classic Malignant Narcissist….you must pledge your loyalty to me 100 percent…..and for you….NOTHING.

  29. Avatar Larry Winter says:

    Stat of the day.
    Of the 69 trillion cells in “Reference Man” (20-30 yrs old, 5’7″, 154lbs)

    Only 43%

    Are human

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      True dat. The majority are microbes.

      You can think of the human body as nothing more than a collection of cooperating eukaryotic cells, with cells being the true individuals that live and die. You’re a colony of eukaryotic cells—the turnover is a big part of why you don’t resemble the child you once were.

      Here’s another good one: Your body is 99.9999999% empty space. You’re far more a component of physical forces than of solid matter.

      • Avatar Larry Winter says:

        The last couple of years Ive been learning about the soil microbiome and I’m finally wrapping my head around it. Such a different paradigm than mainstream agriculture. How they work with soil chemistry and their symbiotic relationship to plants. Mind blowing experience for me.
        I now have a microscope and use it in analyzing soil (at the crudest level, in that are there a lot of critters and of what variety), compost and in the making of compost tea.

        Pre and Pro biotics have been the rage lately for human consumption but I’m just now getting an idea of how important of a role microbes play in humans.

        It surely puts a new spin on “we are created in God’s image”. Lol.

      • Avatar Larry Winter says:

        And then there’s this. The Human Microbiome Project
        https://www.hmpdacc.org/overview/

  30. Avatar Candace says:

    Larry, I’m just starting to scratch the surface of learning about the human “gut microbiome” studies happening. That’s not typically in my wheelhouse of interest but I’m finding it pretty fascinating.

    • Avatar Larry Winter says:

      Candy, my wife Cindy has been delving in to the human gut microbiome for a couple of years now and I just never gave it much thought. I’ve been more focused on soil biology and how it affects plant growth. I’m just now putting the two together in that treating the microbiome is tantamount to treating ourselves as is taking care of soil microbes takes care of plants. Pretty fascinating stuff.

  31. Avatar Common Sense says:

    I am afraid that nothing other than the Corona Virus making it’s way into the W.H will change their minds about this Dem “Hoax” as the GOP call it. Is everyone going to get it or die? NO……the most vulnerable category are those over 70 and those with compromised health/immune systems currently.

  32. Avatar common sense says:

    Now there’s leadership right there! Tweeting from the Golf Course……your prez folks….. The Liar in Chief.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stocks-plunge-coronavirus-spreads-and-trump-retweets-image-of-himself-playing-a-fiddle-with-an-ominous-message-2020-03-08

    We have a beautiful plan a perfect plan and this Democratic hoax, this virus is mostly killing only the Democrats I hear…..the Dr’s are all calling me saying….Mr President…..you know SO much about this Virus….it’s just amazing!

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      “I have to admit that I did not have ‘I’m Nero!’ on my Donald Trump Batshittery Bingo card”

      I liked that comment on Trump’s tweet so much that I stole it.

  33. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Gross Incompetence! There you have it……. we can throw that ” WE have this under control, we have the best numbers…..Ask the market makers if they believe that? Boom goes the Stock Market…… Bottom might be around 16,000!

    More concerned about the Market and Reputation/Self than actually taking care of Americans! The Virus that let the Democrats WIN in 2020!

    What President GOLFS during a Crisis??

    https://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruhle/watch/stocks-plunge-at-market-open-trading-halts-after-dow-drops-1800-points-80319557862

  34. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Personal Profits to be made off the Pandemic? The Politics of Death and Making Money.

    https://shero.substack.com/p/trump-could-profit-from-coronavirus

  35. Avatar Candace says:

    Nothin’ quite like finger-pointing, conspiracy-theory, fear-mongering, panic-inducing misery porn. Not helpful. Listen to the medical experts, be mindful of yourself and others and wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands…

  36. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    After tomorrow the Democrat race is all but over. Biden had it all sewed up. If he wins Michigan tomorrow, Sanders had no chance. I guess that’s why y’all are ramping up the attacks on the president.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      The current Trump chatter has nothing to do with the Democrats, and everything to do with COVID-19. Here’s what Orange Mussolini has done to fight the novel coronavirus:

      — Defended gutting the agency that responds to pandemics
      — Praised himself as a naturally gifted medical genius
      — Called the worldwide response a hoax
      — Blamed Obama
      — Blamed Democrats for not funding the wall
      — Blamed illegal aliens
      — Blamed the media
      — Worn a MAGA campaign hat
      — Muzzled the experts
      — Put an anti-science guy in charge
      — Suggested using the current flu vaccine to stop it
      — Announced the pandemic is contained in the USA
      — Lied about the 100% availability of test kits
      — Said that the mortality rate calculate by WHO is “a false number”
      — Told the sick to go to work
      — Downplayed the virus’s lethality
      — Played golf

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

        Doug Cook,

        So voters can choose someone who is a provably deranged sociopath, a criminally corrupt businessman, a thief of money donated to help disabled veterans, a concealer of his financial information (so the public won’t know the extent to which he’s in hock to foreign powers, although his son already spilled the beans on Russia), a sneaky blackmailer for personal gain, an admitted serial sex criminal, a violence-inciting racist, a pathological liar, and a traitor who has sold out our government to raving “Christian” Nationalists/Dominionists.

        Not to mention the fact that his equally corrupt son-in-law recently made hundreds of millions of dollars as a result of policies he and Trump pushed through.

        OR they can vote for someone who wanders a little in the folksy stories he tells, and who simply joined numerous other world leaders in pressuring Ukraine to get rid of a massively corrupt state prosecutor. Of course Trump’s Republican toadies are now desperately trying to manufacture a non-existent case against Biden because of some psuedo-investigation by that corrupt prosecutor into Burisma that was dropped before Hunter Biden ever joined its Board.

        Why would any normal person need to think twice about this decision?

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Hey, I didn’t pick Biden.. you all did.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            1. Most of us are Californians.
            2. California picked Sanders.
            3. Shasta Co. picked Sanders
            4. Concluding that we all picked Biden defies logic.

            Connecting the dots isn’t that hard if you focus just a little.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            I guess you like arguing just for the sake of arguing. The Democrat party chose Biden, for what it’s worth. Who cares what California did. We were stupid enough to vote for Gavin Newsom. A state that can’t even keep power on in the summer. Biden is not the right candidate to beat President Trump, nor is Sanders. If I was a Democrat…I would hope for a Trump win. Biden would be a one term seat filler president, which would set up the GOP to take the White House back in 2024 for 8 years with Nikki Haley, our first female POTUS. If Trump wins, the Democrats will be more than likely to win in 2024, if the can get their s**t together by then, and probably keep it for 8 years.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            The only people Nikki Haley looks good to are right-wing white male supremacists (and of course their brainless female hangers-on). Most women – and everyone else – can recognize a promoter of the white patriarchy, even if she is nominally a female.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            It is interesting to me to see Patrecia, being a feminist, thinks that only women that believe what she believes in are the only real women. Is there a conservative woman out there that are ‘real women’? Or are they all brainless female hangers-on? Doesn’t seem like you support all women. Not very feministy of you

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — You all Republicans are racists.

            Oh really? You think my accusation is too broad? Let’s not pick at nits. Clearly I meant that *some* Republicans are racists—enough that Trump can win an election by a hair’s-width in part by issuing plenty of racist dog whistles. Racism may not be as prevalent in California’s Republicans, but you know it is elsewhere. Let’s not argue for the sake of arguing. You know what I meant when I said, “You all Republicans are racists.”

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Steve, obviously, I was specifically talking about what Patrecia believes, it wasn’t meant to be a general statement. So yes…you like to argue just for the sake of arguing. I have been debating with Patrecia for years now. To her, GOP women aren’t real women. You can see for yourself the nasty names she calls conservative women. Her comments towards Sarah Palin back in the day were horrific. My point being, if you profess to be a feminist, then you should support all women, just not the ones that agree with your philosophy. No different then calling conservative black men ,’Uncle Toms’. Which another progressive on here has done frequently.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            I had pointed out that Californians choose Sanders after you stated: “I didn’t choose Biden…you all did.” You then accused ME of arguing for the sake of arguing, after saying that Democrats chose Biden (not a done deal, by the way). And now it’s misdirection time: It was all about your aversion to what Patrecia has to say, so let’s talk about that instead.

            I’d say it’s exhausting, but I think it’s clear that I’m hard to exhaust.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Yes Steve, to be 100% accurate, I could have gone through the primary results state by state. But with the limited space we have on here, I assume that most people reading my comments can comprehend the meanings. Your straw man arguments are nothing more than distractions and deflections. I don’t care what California does, they picked Gavin Newsom for Governor. This is a state that can’t keep their power on in the summer. So yes, I realize the game you’re playing. Funny…

  37. Avatar Candace says:

    Steve, “… — Played golf” … and apparently the fiddle.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      What’s really astounding about that is that Trump’s source for the Nero meme he re-tweeted was his own social media director—both of them were too stupid to get the joke. That’s what happens when you get rid of all who are smart enough to threaten your sense of superiority—or are smart but meekly subservent glove-sniffers.

      Regarding the sycophants, I’m watching Trump’s afternoon’s press conference right now. After Trump spoke, the next three speakers (including Pence) were apparently instructed to say “Under the president’s leadership…” before every utterance of a point of progress. It’s like that god-awful cabinet meeting where each person at the table had to take their turn kissing Trump’s ample ass, and the press were there in the room to record it, and were herded out after the ritual. Someone (probably Trump) thought that was a good idea.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        What’s really astounding is how the Trump haters go along with Trump’s willingness to control the Media. He posts these memes and tweets because he wants to be the center of attention. He wants to control the news cycles. You unwittingly feed into exactly what he wants. The best thing to do is ignore him. But you just can’t. When I saw that meme, iI was like… whatever. Didn’t spend 10 seconds thinking about it.

        • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

          Doug Cook,

          Most of us aren’t willing to just ignore the fact that someone who behaves like a demented 5-year-old is occupying the most powerful office in the world. That people like you think that’s acceptable is meaningless.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          The meme is a huge “whatever”—if I’d seen it elsewhere, it have forgotten it inside of ten seconds.

          I don’t give a good goddamn that Trump’s an attention whore—I dropped Twitter specifically because I got sick of him. That all people talk about—Twittler’s latest atrocity.

          The issue is that the lump of BK Whoppers occupying the Oval Office is an absolute idiot. He’s so stupid he doesn’t understand the meme is an insult.

  38. Avatar Common Sense says:

    How Trump Pummeled the Dem’s in 2016. The Story of the Money and the Data!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/us/trump-campaign-brad-parscale.html

  39. Avatar Candace says:

    When I saw that meme I thought “ how incredibly stupid can you be”. Then I saw that the first quote attached to it was a QAnon thing (thought it sounded familiar) and my second thought was “meh”.

  40. Avatar Candace says:

    *or rather, “bleh”

  41. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    How do you tell a Democrat from a Republican?
    Sneeze.
    Those that run away are Democrats and those that say “Bless You” are Republicans.
    If I seem to be making light of this current epidemic it is because I am not going to stay in hiding because of other’s fears.

    • Avatar Candace says:

      The reality is that there are elderly stuck in nursing homes. People have died and will die. Human beings. People’s parent, brother, sister . etc. For those who wish to exercise their right to ignore health warnings to show their bravado? Please do everyone else a solid and kindly stay the hell away from them while you’re exercising your right to choose to potentially harm yourself and in turn others. Thank you. We appreciate it.

      • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

        The elderly are dying in nursing homes because they are the worst place to keep the elderly safe, this is a nationwide problem.
        And my bravado is I’m not going to be a hermit and I don’t intend to harm myself or anyone else. It was right on these pages that some left posters were telling me not to get a flu shot because it had mercury in it. Now those same posters are telling me to stay home.
        What health warnings? Wash my hands, I always do that. Keep your fears the hell away from me.

        • Avatar Anne Thrope says:

          The elderly are dying in nursing homes because that’s what nursing homes are for. Men linger an average of 3 months after admittance, women 8. Few accumulate happy memories there, the best they can do is mark time between meal times and Judge Judy.

          Americans will rush into the embrace of socialized medicine for the promise of someone doing something about Covid 19. Meanwhile the virus will do its part to reduce America’s entitlement debt burden by truncating the lives of those programs’ most costly customers.

          Sable clouds & silver linings

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            I take it that’s “Miss Anne Thrope,” am I right?

            :::chuckles:::

            I have a feeling we might be on opposite sides of the political spectrum, but share a spot on the autism spectrum. The dry, smart, somewhat nasty sense of humor hits all the marks for me. Please stick around.

          • Avatar Candace says:

            AT, Sorry (not sorry) but WTAF? I admire a sharp, dry, sarcastic wit as much as the next person and also have family “on the spectrum” ( if that’s even applicable to you) but I think I’ll not admire the nastiness bit about truncating the lives of “those programs most costly customers”. Ya, no, not even a little.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Dark humor…gallows humor…tragicomedy….sick humor….whatever you want to call it. I appreciate a lot of it, but it’s not for everyone.

            One of my favorite films is Kubrick’s black comedy, “Dr. Strangelove.” Spoiler alert: Everyone dies.

          • Avatar Anne Thrope says:

            On the bright side, there’s no need to practice social distancing when you’re on the spectrum (it occurs quite naturally).

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            I’m a social-distancing idiot-savant. Alas, my wife is a school principal—nothing short of closing the schools is going to spare her and in turn, me. Whatever cold is going around at school, she gets its, then I get it. She kicks them in about 2 days; I’m miserable for about 10 days.

    • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

      Democrats running away are when the conservatives sneeze and don’t know better than to cover their sneeze.

      Funny but there seem to be quite a few conservatives choosing “self quarantine “ , or as you imply, “running away” in the presidents circle these days.

      • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

        Shasta County just found out it had COVI, we have had COVI here in Phoenix for over two weeks. I think that Phoenix is better equipped and more informative than Shasta County about any disease.
        The book fair in Tucson was canceled because the writers decided to not attend more to do with traveling than the actual event. So far that is the only event that has been canceled though if it does get worse, and the state not the feds are watching over the spread.
        I am not the only one showing “bravado” as thousands of others are.
        Don’t compare Shasta County to Phoenix.

  42. Avatar Candace says:

    Bruce. No one other than you is comparing Shasta County to Phoenix. I’ve not figured out yet why you find it necessary to do this “us” against “you” Phoeniz/Redding thing as often as you do. I find it interesting to hear from you about what’s happening with the immigrants and your charitable work, etc. but I personally hold no grudge against either you or Phoenix. So why the constant Shasta County bashing? Believe me many of us have got that covered all on our own when it comes to certain aspects. There are those living in Shasta County that are fearful of the spread of covid -19 and are trying to be pro-active as much as possible in helping to curb spread and protect themselves and their loved ones. Whether or not you think those fears are justified has nothing to do with the actual potential spread of the virus. My point was why make fun of those exercising caution like the medical experts are asking us to do? You being personally not afraid and choosing to go about your day “business as usual” is of course your choice and many are choosing to do the same as you. I’m not saying you need to panic, sequester yourself (hopefully) and hunker down in place. I’m saying where’s the good in trivializing others fears? Why not say “I’m not personally concerned but I’m sorry you’re frightened, how can I help?” instead of a “Democrats are dumb” joke? That’s being charitable. BTW suppose to you I’m a “leftie” and I’d never in a million years tell you not to get a flu shot. I guess when all is said and done why not just try and help people allay their fears as much as possible instead of scoffing at them. That’s all.

    • Avatar Gary Tull says:

      Well spoken and bravo to you Candace! I’m sure you beat a number of folks out of the gate on this one.

  43. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    Candace, my remark was addressed to your comment for me to stay the hell away from people so I don’t infect them. To infect them I have to actually have COVI which I do not.
    As far as bashing Shasta County I replied to RV’s article about how I am faced with the same situation as those in Shasta County and was told to stay home.

  44. Avatar Candace says:

    Bruce, I apologize for that remark. Sometimes I’m not great at curbing my tongue. Sorry.

    • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

      Why Candace, don’t you know that apologizing is now considered un-American?

      At least, it sometimes seems that way.

  45. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Biden coming on so strong he is picking up Republican Support now! Biden/Harris for the Win.

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/michigan-republican-mayor-who-voted-for-trump-switches-to-biden-even-more-deranged-now-than-i-thought-then/

  46. Avatar Candace says:

    Steve, I too typically appreciate clever, dark humor, in movies, columns, etc. if it’s done well. I suppose, just like anything else we all have our own personal boundaries.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Yep. And incidentally, I think “Miss Anne Thrope” is the funniest of what she (I assume) had to offer, even if she left out the “Miss.” The name tells you a lot about the attitude.

      Misanthrope: a person who hates or distrusts humankind

      Synonyms: cynic, naysayer, pessimist

      That’s why I jokingly (sort of) suggested that she and I are kindred spirits.

      • Avatar Candace says:

        Steve, ya, I got that. I have a sneaking suspicion I know who “she” is. Could be wrong; of no matter I suppose.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          I was hoping for a moment it was Tim, who used to haunt ANC and do a great job of arguing for the conservative/libertarian perspective. I’ve convinced myself it’s not—entirely different tone and style. If it is Tim, I have to commend the ability to shape-shift.

    • Avatar Anne Thrope says:

      Dark humor is like the Coronavirus, not everyone gets it.

      • Avatar Candace says:

        “The Coronavirus is like dark humor, it gets everyone not” – Sphinx (Mystery Men)

        • Avatar Candace says:

          I still think that’s who it is. Nom de plume’s are of course emboldening and may be the reason why we’re seeing the more than usual use of dark humor in the form of “cleverness”. The seemingly emotionless pragmatic “non-productive old people as expendable” rhetoric and stat based stuff is still there. While the inverting of my name comment followed by stats held up by “always invert” seemed a bit off, I think those who “get mad and leave” don’t actually do so; too tempting to peek in and weigh in. Of course I could be waaaaay off. For all I know it’s Jimmy Carter’s alter ego. Still fun to guess. I’ll take distractions anywhere I can at this point.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            You may be right. “Miss Anne Thrope” has Tim all over it. That, and the core of intelligence led me think, “Tim.” Also some personality traits that Tim attributed to Asperger’s—I didn’t think jokingly so, but with him, who knows?

            If it’s Tim in a skirt, I’m happy to have him back.

  47. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    Sorry Bernie fans… it’s all over but the crying. Sanders has no path to the nomination now. How nervous are y’all now? Guess you ought to find more impeachment charges

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Yep. It seems middle America doesn’t want a revolution—they want a return to normalcy. Sanders would be doing everyone in the party a favor by dropping out next week and endorsing Biden.

      Trump remains an extremely polarizing, unpopular president—he’s what will energize the Democrats. Biden just needs to keep the gaffes to a minimum—and the Demos need to stop the hand-wringing about those that will surely occur. If Trump has proved anything, it’s that you can be a verbal bumblefuck of the highest order and still get elected.

      The Democrats are now researching which running mate gives them the biggest bump in the upper Midwest swing states that Trump won last time.

      As for impeachment charges….nah. What’s going to bury Trump is if the Supreme Court refuses to defy all precedent, logic, and law, and doesn’t overturn the lower courts on Trump’s subpoenaed bank records and tax returns. How that turns out will be interesting. If it’s a 5-4 decision in Trump’s favor, we have a dictator.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        The Democrats will now hide Biden. Keep him out of the public to keep his senility hidden ad much as possible. The VP pick is becoming more and more important as I have doubts Biden could fulfill his 4 year term. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hillary is in the running. With Sanders done, the Democrats also lost the young vote that they needed desperately. The GOP is energized, the Democrats…it’s going to be difficult to get any enthusiasm built up for a Biden presidency.

        • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

          Doug Cook,

          And what do you suggest Republicans do to hide Trump’s obvious derangement? Biden’s minor wanderings are NOTHING compared to Trump’s wild delusions, paranoid insanity, and endless blatant lies.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Doug — Like I said, Trump is the energizer.

          Republicans look like fools questioning Biden’s mental fitness, when Trump behaves like he has 3rd-stage syphilis dementia coupled with at least two personality disorders on a daily basis.

          Equally foolish when they go after Biden’s somewhat quirky penchant for physical contact, when Trump has bragged of committing sexual assault and professed his attraction to his daughter.

          But by now, we’re all used to the unhinged asymmetrical outrage.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            The double-standard lunacy has been going on for a long time. If this were 2004, Doug would be our resident “swiftboater.”

            For those too young (or old) to remember, that’s when Sen. John Kerry ran against Bush II. Bush II was being accused at the time of dodging Vietnam via his family pulling strings to get him into the Texas Air National Guard. There were accusations that he had spent most of his time in the TANG drinking heavily, and hadn’t finished his long-term commitment.

            To counter, Republicans formed a 527 PAC funded by Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens called “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.” After college at Yale, Kerry had joined the Navy and requested service in Vietnam, where he assumed command of three swift boats, patrolling rivers. He received the Silver Star, the Bronze Star (with valor) and three Purple Hearts for wounds (he still has shrapnel in his leg). The Bronze Star was awarded for an episode where a mine blew up under his swift boat, throwing a Green Beret into the water. While under sniper fire, Kerry jumped into the water to rescue the GB.

            In one of the more sordid episodes in our political history, the “swiftboaters” ginned up a bunch of bullshit suggesting that Kerry had exaggerated to get his medals, and murdered a Viet Cong combatant in one of those episodes. They got a couple of Republican fanatics who had been in his unit to corroborate the bullshit, and got the primary critic a book deal (co-authored by a discredited conspiracy theorist).

            Kerry’s crews—except for the one scumbag—defended him, but it didn’t matter. Kerry was going to lose the election anyway—Bush II was still riding a wave of post-9/11 support—but that only makes the dishonesty and cynicism worse, because it was so unnecessary to slander his service.

            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/06/john_kerrys_vietnam_crew_mates.html

  48. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Jeff Lock them up for looking at a joint Sessions learning the hard way to that to Survive in the Cult 45 Club you have to be able to take one for the team!

    When this is all over and Adam Schiff is the new A.G we can look at Barr Going to Jail along with the whole gang at the Cult 45 Club.State Charges will be filed and moved on the day the Orange Guy is out of office…..it’s coming.

    Loyalty over Country….that’s the Cult 45 motto. Loyalty to the King. I am waiting for the comment that Putin is going to be in charge for another 4-8 years isn’t that great!

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-endorses-jeff-sessions-opponent-alabama-senate-race-n1155091

  49. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    With Sander’s whooping last night, the Socialists dream of a revolution is dead. My advice to AOC…you better update your resume and start looking for a bartending job. I think your career as a Congressperson is coming to an end.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      In the latest polls, AOC has a higher net favorability rating than NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio, NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo, and Der Pumpkinführer. Her support among Democrats is solid, so it’s unlikely she gets beat in a primary. No way in hell a Republican beats her.

      I don’t think she needs your advice.

  50. Avatar Candace says:

    Steve, Sadly I think “”je sais bien, mais quand-même” (I know very well, but nevertheless) is in full force right now, practiced by many on all sides of the political spectrum. Scary stuff in our current social and MSM world of rapid-fire- shared, mis-quoted, taken out of context, damage already done, world of Doublethink. We need to vet information but pragmatically speaking, working folks simply don’t have the time (cuz… working) and others simply don’t bother or know how. Not good. My rule of thumb is “Can’t vet from a reliable source? Don’t share”. That said, I still screw up once in a while and end up walking back what I shared. Also, people of course have different ideas as to what constitutes a “reliable source”. So there’s that thrown into the mix as well. Nothin’s EZ these days, huh (cept maybe sippin’ a brewski in the good ol’ outdoors)?

  51. Avatar Candace says:

    Steve… or social distancing yourself 6 ft away or more from someone sharing a beer with you at a favored watering-hole. Sigh.

  52. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    President Trump is expected to announce a national emergency over COVI. This will free up $40 billion to fight COVI. Down here where we are actually close to the US/Mexico border I wonder how much of that money will be diverted to the Failed Wall.

    • Avatar Common Sense says:

      Wishful thinking on the National Emergency….that might make him “look bad”…..yeah yeah more will die…..but he is a Narcissist…..remember.

      And you are onto something there……moving funds around would not surprise me at this point!

      And Payroll Taxes cut to ZERO….Who does the Benefit?? The Corporations….. Not the worker out of work for a month or two with the Virus!

      So much Winning! Not sure how much more we can take…..

      He will of course finally….”one” of these days do the National Emergency…..It will probably be after Kushner and Daughter talk him into it……painful for the EGO….so painful……..A Narcissists worst nightmare…..That they were wrong……unbearably painful……so it must be the DEMOCRATS or HILLARY or Biden’s Son that did this….we need a DISTRACTION he says to his remaining staff….all 3 of them…..give me a distraction….they are all doing all this to me!

  53. Avatar Common Sense says:

    The day the Actual Mueller Report is sent to the House is the day the Orange Guy Dreads. Enough crimes in there to help that 10-15% sitting on the fence help make up their minds who to vote for!

    I am guessing Barr will be wiggling around when that day comes also for his comical “Summation” that so many without an once of Critical Thinking Skills bought into!

    Tick….tick….tick> BOOOOOM!

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/liberal-conservative-trump-judge-mueller-redaction-case.html

  54. Steven Towers Steven Towers says:

    Trump: “I was a good soldier….the best. I almost won the Vietnam War, single-handedly, but I was fantastic, let me tell you. The medals, everything. Many people say I was so good at warring, I must have a genius aptitude for it, like my uncle, Audie Murphy. I was the best shot with the ray gun, too. And I was…..by the way, Schmo, I’ve been asking to mean, what exactly is a ‘dog-faced pony soldier’?”

    Biden: “It was a line from a home movie I made back in the day, starring me and yo mama. You wanna go? Is it go time? I will beat that thing on your head to death with a bag of oranges, my friend. Let’s go outside. I’m from Maryland—homie don’t play dat.”

    I can’t wait for the debates.

  55. Avatar Candace says:

    Steve, LOL

  56. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    Trump’s confusing speech and AP fact check: Trump misstates some of his virus actions.
    https://apnews.com/fb47f78357ea4a29c824dd36cc206e69

  57. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    “Political Science,” the song in which Randy Newman advocates nuking the rest of the world because they don’t like us. Except Australia—they have kangaroos and surfing.

    He may have to rewrite the lyrics if they let Tom Hanks die.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiCfazc7yQE

  58. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    Regarding the pandemic, you can’t miss noticing that government officials in the Netherlands clearly speak far more concisely and intelligently than anyone addressing the situation from the Trump administration. As of recent exposure with a positive tested Brazilian official visiting Mar-a-Lago, perhaps Commander Bone Spurs should be quarantined.

    https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/03/the-netherlands-cancels-big-events-but-wont-close-schools-in-corona-clampdown/

  59. Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

    I was wondering if we’d get through the entertainment week without cancellations due to the virus. Alas, no. Four events have been canceled or postponed as I write this, and I’m wondering what Friday morning will bring.

    I’m wrestling with whether to host Friday’s open mic at Cedar Crest Brewing in Redding. If it happened to be just a solo gig, I think I would stay the course at this point. But, with several people sharing a couple of microphones . . . hm.

    My friend Richard B. suggested covering the microphones with non-lubricated condoms and changing them between acts, but I have serious doubts about the resulting sound quality.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Most of my plans for the next two months have evaporated—I’m supposed to be in Palm Springs right now at our second-largest tennis tournament behind the U.S. Open.

      I’m thinking maybe I could still pull off a camping trip to the Black Rock Desert.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      This isn’t what “cancel culture” meant a month or so ago.

  60. Avatar Common Sense says:

    The “Oracle” is on the move. I just want to know what Buffet buys, that’s all!

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/investors-make-warren-buffettlike-moves-amid-coronavirus-crisis-144624590.html

  61. Avatar Candace says:

    Hal, you left yourself wide open with the mic/condom thing and “changing them between acts”. Sorry, I tried hard to resist. Didn’t work.

    • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

      Why Candace, it ain’t THAT kind of event!

      Geez, that play on words never occurred to me. I must be older than I think.

  62. Avatar Candace says:

    Hal, nah, you’re good, it’s all me, lol.

  63. Avatar Anne Thrope says:

    Hours after the NHL suspended its season, Canadian biopharmaceutical company Medicago announced it had a viable coronavirus vaccine candidate. Coincidence? I think not.

  64. Avatar Candace says:

    I started a family group chat on Messenger as both a general touchstone and a way to keep our sanity. My niece (doctor) in Seattle just reported that all schools are now closed, hospitals are only taking “emergency” patients, people are staying home other than trips to the grocery store and the city looks like a ghost town; 2 nephews in Portland (one owns a successful Tea Shop and one just canceled an April trip to Japan) just reported that so far, other than one cancellation (and large public events being canceled) business is steady and people for the most part are going about their daily lives per usual; my other niece (educator) living in Carmel-By -The-Sea says all schools just closed but movietheaters so far are remaining open; my son (Masters in Cognitive Science and Linguistics currently between jobs) living in Astoria , NY, says news coverage is ongoing and everyone is talking about it wherever he goes but that it doesn’t seem like anybody is changing their behaviors much; my brother in Santa Cruz (writer and grief counselor) bummed that Soccer around the world being cut short (or played to empty stands) or canceled but understands; Sister-in-law in Santa Cruz teaches web-design at three colleges that are closing is scrambling 24/7 in order to train other teachers and staff how to navigate teaching online courses; daughter University of De Paul grad) living in Chicago working three service industry jobs facing cut hours, less pay is also working with an Alderman to try and get a temporary halt on evictions and thus mortgage payments pushed through. Her boyfriend is right now navigating the closing of the law school he attends and what that looks like. I realize my family is more interesting to me than anyone else here; my intent is not to bore you silly ( sorry in advance if I did) but to maybe show a glimpse ( other than msm news) into how people in all walks of life are dealing with Covid-19 and all that that entails. Fast forward – had my taxes done today. While waiting in the parking lot to go in I watched 3 people open the door to the entrance bare-handed , full on grab, while two elderly gentlemen ( one wearing oxygen canolas (sp?) parked next to me in their truck sat and watched the same thing while shaking their heads in disbelief each time. Inside said business a small child (who’s guardian told me had had a bad cough and been sick for a while but was now “ok”) was offered a piece of wrapped candy ( and reached right in) from the communal candy dish. Offered by the nice woman at the counter who just got through explaining to me how she wears gloves to grocery shop. We’re screwed. Wash your hands.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      You do have an interesting family! That was quite the wide-ranging array of perspectives.

      • Avatar Candace says:

        So my son (who said “business as usual in NY yesterday) just posted on FB that apparently today was the day that people in Queens decided to take Covid -19 seriously and using his words “lose their collective f’ing minds”. He went to the market near his house to get a few groceries and found no less than 300 in lines stocking up on 3 mos worth of food and 3 yrs worth of toilet paper. So much for “AVOID CROWDS” “DON’T PANIC”.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Back in my day…the only panic buying we ever did is when the bartender yelled, “Last call!”

  65. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    I am concerned about our geographically challenged president. Trump hinted that the border wall would stop COVI from entering the US, which border. Arizona has 9 confirmed COVI cases, Mexico has about a dozen. Canada, with a smaller population than California, has over 100. In fact one of the questions asked potential COVI patients is did you travel from an infected area? Mexico is not an infected area but Seattle is an infected area.
    On the optimistic side, which screws up all the sky is falling conspiracy theories, I went to my doctor today, here in Arizona, and he like many others believes the return of triple digit weather will end the COVI. If so Phoenix will see an economical boost instead of the normal summer dip as the sno-birders will stay.

  66. Avatar Common Sense says:

    The Messenger that got silenced. With holding Information on a Deadly Virus has it’s costs.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-doctor-chinese-sounded-alarm-coronavirus-outbreak-december-2020-3

  67. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    My son who delivers to Walmarts in Phoenix has said they are so busy that some drivers have come from southern California, where a lot of things are closed, to help in Phoenix He sad it is crazy, at one Walmart was a fight because a shopper took a pack of toilet paper out of another shopper’s cart and when the store pulls a pallet of water out to stock on shelves the water is grabbed off the pallet before they get to the shelves.
    Spring baseball is shut down but the Cardinals are deep cleaning their facility over the weekend and it will be open to players who want to practice independently. If other teams want to stay in Phoenix instead of returning home they are welcome to use the facilities. No mention of whether fans could watch, I’ll update later for the baseball fans who are already here and don’t want to return home.
    The homeless centers, especially CASS the largest are in limbo as the state is preparing new rules for centers which would limit space. The downtown tent city is growing because rents are going up.
    Lots of jobs down here but no affordable housing. Both Walmart and FRYS made a big push, last year, to add store pickup spaces for drivers to order online and have the order brought out to their car. That is what the new employees are needed for.
    And I have to salute all our TV reporters, including FOX, who are being stone walled by officials and not given information to pass on to us residents. These reporters are basically camping out in front of officials offices and buildings, including schools, and trying to pry critical information out of them. It is necessary as social media is full of trolls reporting false statements. Especially from political candidates.

  68. Avatar Anne Thrope says:

    Since so many are staying home with no sports to watch, it seems likely we’ll see a baby boom in about 9 months. Will we call them Coronials?

  69. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    “Anybody, right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test, gets a test. They’re there. They have the test. And the test is beautiful.”
    “Earlier this week, I met with the leaders of (the) health insurance industry, who have agreed to waive all co-payments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing.”

    THE FACTS: No. Tests are not available for anybody who needs one and NO, the (so-called) health insurance industry “leaders” did not promise to cover co-payments for coronavirus treatment or extend insurance coverage or prevent surprise medical billing.

    When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. Maya Angelou

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Gary, Pandemics are nonpolitical. Viruses don’t discriminate on a political basis. Now, all the Democrats have offered is criticism of the President and his administration. It’s what they do these days …resist and blame everything on the President because that’s all they’ve got. It was just a few weeks ago on these very pages that Trump was called a racist for stopping travel from China. Now, of course it turned out to be the proper decision. Many on here claimed that President Trump called the coronavirus a hoax…something that didn’t happen.
      Since all the other recent attempts to bring down Trump’s administration have crashed and burned so spectacularly, why not try to politicize coronovirus. The Trump message and record of putting America first is exactly what is needed in this time of crisis. The measures his administration has already taken put us in a much better position to deal with an international health crisis of this nature.
      This is a time we should all pull together as a country. The constant criticism and focus on the president is not helpful. Let’s get through this together, the hyper partisanship is not what we need right now.

    • Avatar Linda Cooper says:

      Thanks, Gary Tull. Appreciating the Maya Angelou quote. It always sticks with me.

  70. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    “Now, all the Democrats have offered is criticism of the President and his administration.”

    “This is a time we should all pull together as a country.”

    Okay, Doug. You go first.

    • Avatar Linda Cooper says:

      Thank you. Somebody had to say it. Doug can’t go first. Even though he appears to be an expert on everything. When I first moved to Shasta County 26 years ago, a friend of mine noted that she thought people liked the County, because #1 those with enough resources could live off-site during the hot summer months. #2 during the cooler months “they could be big fish in a small pond.” I’m thinking Doug meets this #2 profile here on a News Cafe. PS – Another friend told me I would find poverty, and yet the people were “generous of spirit.” I found that last to be true.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        Linda, can you deny the partisanship bent in these comments about the coronavirus? Big fish in a small pond? Like everyone else on here that pays the News Cafe subscription, I have as much right to express my opinion. Sorry if my opinions are not aligned with yours, but that is what makes the world go around. I’m always amazed on how people like you seem to know me so well and are able to characterize me so. Why do you think I want to be a “big fish in a small pond”…seems like a rather odd statement to me.
        After 9/11, we pulled together as a country. We worked together. That is not happening here. Rahm Emmanuel once said, never let a serious crisis go to waste. That is what is happening here, The Democrat party is using this crisis to try and damage the president. Biden criticized as xenophobic and racist the administration’s travel ban to China as the outbreak began to worsen although it was instrumental in preventing an outbreak in the United States much sooner.“This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia,”Biden said. Is that not an example of partisanship designed to hurt the president?

        “Even though he appears to be an expert on everything.” No reason to be rude, Linda, to someone expressing his opinion.

        • Avatar Steve Towers says:

          Doug, nobody is trying to curb your right to say what you want to say. Like many local conservatives, you seem to equate “freedom of speech” with “freedom from consequences.” You are free to post your opinions, and others have the right to post their opinions, including their opinions of your posts.

          If people gag on your repeated assertions that Democrats/liberals are hyper-partisan, it’s not because that’s not true—we live in times where nearly everyone has become hyper-partisan. It’s because it’s obscenely ridiculous and patently false for you to state or even suggest that such partisanship is a Democratic/liberal thing—and as for you conservatives, the sun shines out of your collective @$$.

          Anyone who has perused the comments under a Facebook article posted by a relatively sober conservative media outlet like National Review knows that mainstream conservatives are capable of extreme vitriol, including regular calls for taking up arms against “liberals who want to destroy our country.” As I said, there’s hyper-partisanship on the left, too, even if there’s less calling out for killing people on the right. It’s your repeated contention that hyper-partisanship is almost entirely a one-sided leftist sin that makes you look like you’re completely blinded by your own partisanship. It’s the type of absurdity that drives people nuts.

        • Avatar Linda Cooper says:

          Oh, Doug. I really don’t want to be rude. By big fish in a small pond, I was thinking about why are you on this forum. To further try and explain, you wouldn’t stand out on a conservative page. It feels to me like you get your joy from standing out in a mostly filled “other leaning” perspective. More important, is that for me, your views lack substance. I am here to learn. And at times, sometimes you offer the contrast for my learning. But only because of the replies. You blindly support Trump. I don’t blindly support anyone.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Linda, when I was in college in the late 70’s, I went to a lecture from a member of the SLA, the Symbionese Liberation Army. I didn’t attend because I was a left wing terrorist, I went to learn what they were all about. I attended lectures from Communists and other Left wing organizations. That is why I am on this forum. To learn and to give another perspective. I would be bored to death hearing nothing but conservative views, I also do not blindly follow Trump, I did not vote for the man, actively campaigned against him as a matter of fact. But he is our president and I will support him when he does good and critisize he when he screws up. So far, I believe he had done a pretty good job running the country. Yep, his mouth is his worst enemy. But we are in a great economic period, if we get through the virus undamaged. I think his foreign policy is an improvement over his predecessor. The coronavirus shows that he was correct in his dealings with China. It is time to separate us from the squeeze that China has on us. He will be the president that gets us out of Afghanistan, something Obama couldn’t do. So yes, I support the president on these pages because nobody else does. There is the constant drumbeat of critisism, some warranted, many are not. Many are just false, like the comments that said President Trump called the virus a hoax. That wasn’t true, and I was the only one that corrected the lie. Maybe in your mind my comments lack substance because you easily dismiss them because they are opposite views of yours. I dunno… maybe.b

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Linda — I admire Doug sticking it out here. I know much of it is based on his love of being the resident contrarian and—in his mind, anyway—the slayer of liberal follies. but I’ll accept some of his other reasons on top of that.

            I wish Tim hadn’t left us—I don’t particularly care for echo chambers. I used to hang out on the Record Searchlight, sparring with the yahoos and putting up with blustery death threats and the like. It wasn’t until one particular @$$hole threatened my daughter that I bailed.

            Hopefully, Doug will continue to suffer only the sings and arrows of opposing opinions here, and nobody will stray into “kill the environmentalists before they kill us” territory, which I encounter regularly on conservative forums.

            Lastly, what Doug says is true. Trump didn’t exactly call the pandemic a hoax. The problem is that his manner of speaking is so careless and inexact that it was easy to take it that way. Even he and his flunkies realized that, which is why the next day he clarified that the critique by Democrats of his handling of the crisis was the hoax—that’s what he meant. There’s the hoax: His absolute shirking of responsibility for everything. Whatever goes wrong, it’s not his fault. It’s the fault of his political antagonists, or the fault of other countries, or the fault of the UN, or the fault of “snake” Democratic governors, or the fault of Obama….

            The buck stopped 3.18 years ago.

  71. Avatar Candace says:

    I agree. Trump needs no help in the “damage”dept. by anyone on either side of the political aisle. He’s perfectly capable of inflicting damage all on his own; no need to belabor the point. Wash your hands and practice social distancing. Everyone take good care of yourselves and of each other.

  72. Avatar Candace says:

    Speaking of Trump’s own ability to cause damage without any help… now the airport chaos is making the spread of the virus worse not better. We’re witnessing it in real time for all to see; our president is not leadership material. Can’t walk that back. Something is wrong. Something is very, very wrong. Left, right or in-between, Coronavirus or no Coronavirus, he’s not ok. Nothing about the man is ok.

  73. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    The question we should be asking ourselves is not who to blame but how can I help?

    • Avatar Larry Winter says:

      It’s election season. It’s a virus of the electorate that we don’t want to cure. We just need to multi-task.

    • Avatar don says:

      It seems to me the best thing most of us [folks north of 60] can do is not get sick. Leaving the health care pros free to care for those who do. If you only come in contact with yourself and immediate family you probably don’t have to wash your hands that often. You cannot catch it from yourself. If you give it a bit of thought you can get most things done over the phone or on line. You can arrange to have prescriptions mailed. I just bought stamps online. In Redding safeway delivers. etc

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Bruce — I’m sure President Nero would like nothing better than to have Americans heed your advice. Without seeking out who is to blame for our pathetic response, there’s no accountability. The last thing Glorious Leader wants is a finding of blame followed by a sentencing for accountability.

      You’re absolutely right that we should be looking for ways to help, and the best that we older people can do is to stay put and not end up in a hospital, taxing the system.

      But Der Pumpkinführer doesn’t get a pardon—not for being the architect of this historic cluster-hump.

    • Avatar Candace says:

      Bruce, I can ask the question of “how can I help” right along with criticizing Trump. My daughter is in Chicago. The airport fiasco is untenable; someone needs to be in charge that can actually make wise/sound decisions. I’ll say “how can I help” always but there’s not a damn thing I can do about things such as the airport fiasco, etc other than look on in horror. My daughter is a bartender at two places in Chicago, she just texted me that she’s pretty sure the Governor is going to put them on lockdown fairly soon.

  74. Barbara Rice Barbara Rice says:

    People, please don’t post references to racist theories about how COVID-19 started. It might sound lighthearted to you but fuels the fire blaming Chinese people for it.

    • Avatar Candace says:

      Barbara, ew?

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      I don’t think it is racist to point out that the virus started out in China and that it was the deception and secrecy if the Chinese Communist government that made the virus worse and made it a pandemic. China has started a propoganda campaign trying to blame the US for the virus, and many of us are buying into the propoganda by blaming our president.

  75. Avatar Candace says:

    Steve (and others?) , thought this might interest you (my son posted on FB) :
    “Before you repost more of those “flatten the curve” articles, maybe look at some of the analyses that attempt to put actual numbers on those graphs.Even the most optimistic ones paint a very different picture. You know how the little unlabelled-axis graphs show how flattening the curve allows it to stay under the dotted line that represents our available healthcare resources? If you put actual numbers on the graphs, even pretty optimistic numbers, then so long as we’re merely stretching out the infections rather than actually containing them, that flattened curve has to be stretched for YEARS to stay under the dotted line, not weeks or even months. And that’s assuming that reinfection isn’t possible. There’s an initial report today of a man being reinfected in Japan. It’s still good advice, but it should come with a warning that it is maybe too optimistic, and a discussion of the fact that, while it’s a good idea to do these things for sure, we should probably be instituting actual systematic, coordinated responses too.”

  76. Avatar Candace says:

    My daughter in Chicago just sent me a text saying that as of tomorrow every bar and restaurant will be closing.

  77. Avatar Candace says:

    My niece reporting in from Ohio right now says the governor is holding a press conference right now saying employees who are adversely affected by closures will get unemployment benefits with no wait time. I don’t know what that means for gig workers (?).

  78. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Well you can’t fix “Stupid” they say. He felt he was getting paid for doing a great service to humanity….selling them important products for a 20X return and big $$.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tennessee-man-sitting-on-almost-18000-bottles-of-hand-sanitizer-says-hes-doing-a-public-service-2020-03-14

  79. Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

    I suppose this means that I can quit agonizing over whether to continue with this week’s musical activities.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article241212146.html

  80. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    Getting through the next three weeks will be crucial.
    A lot of folks are posting offering help. Here in El Mirage I have posted how I will be at the corner playground as an adult presence not to mingle with the kids but to point my cell phone at any strangers driving by. Many high schoolers are posting for cheap baby sitting for working parents who have no childcare options. An El Mirage online market has been started for people to swap grocery items. People are posting where needed products are available in stores.
    In Redding one of my nieces, a school teacher, has posted a list of companies offering free downloads to school children stuck at home. My facebook friends in Shastain are posting which events have been canceled or are still going on.
    But the blame game seems to be what Anews posters want to do rather than actually help.
    Go ahead and delete Barbara this is will not be a popular post but frankly I Don’t Give A D+++.

    • Avatar Linda Cooper says:

      Wow, Bruce. What a cool idea to provide an adult presence at a playground! Inspired way to monitor large groups of children, and still keep your social distance. I have been brain storming ideas as well. This is a gem, and thank you for your participation.

    • Avatar Candace says:

      ANC posters blaming Trump doesn’t translate to the same as ANC not doing their part to help wherever and however they can in their communities and elsewhere. If you’re one of those able to help, great and good for you, that’s commendable. Implying that all those on ANC that are criticizing Trump’s “leadership” are not doing their part is both presumptive and insulting. One thing does not preclude the other.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        What are you blaming the president for? For the virus? I believe it is Trump’s leadership that has kept the crisis from being much worse. I remember reading comments on these very pages critisizing the president for the China travel ban at the beginning. That proved to be the proper move, or we could look like Italy right now. And apparently, we can’t critisize the Chinese government, lest we be called racists. My goodness.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Doug sez: “What are you blaming the president for? For the virus?”

          Red herring. Where have any of us blamed Trump for the existence or nature of the virus? I haven’t seen that on ANC or anywhere else. I *have* seen bat-shit conservatives posit that it was a Chinese or liberal plot to engineer and release the virus to undermine Trump’s manifest accomplishments.

          Doug sez: “I remember reading comments on these very pages critisizing the president for the China travel ban at the beginning.”

          Uh huh. No, the criticism was that Trump has steadfastly tried to shift blame to foreigners and Democrats as one of his ploys to shirk responsibility. The problem, he said, is that Democrats are for open borders. And foreigners are the ones seeding us with the disease (excluding returning American tourists).

          Doug sez: “(China travel ban) proved to be the proper move, or we could look like Italy right now.”

          We look *exactly* like Italy right now, just 2-3 weeks behind them as the outbreak’s starting point. Our growth curve of confirmed cases looks exactly the same as theirs, and could actually be worse as we still don’t have widespread testing here. Further, compared with Italy, we had far more forewarning. Trump blew it.

          Doug sez: “And apparently, we can’t critisize the Chinese government, lest we be called racists.”

          I’m with you on this one. The Chinese government has long tolerated the illicit trade in exotic and endangered species for consumption and traditional medicine. China’s wet markets have been the source of several trans-species viral outbreaks. It’s not racist to call out the Chinese government on this, especially when that government is inventing tortured arguments to blame the pandemic’s origin on the United States.

  81. Avatar Candace says:

    *same as ANC “posters” (commenters)

    • Avatar Candace says:

      Gary, your link is not accessible to read (other than the first paragraph) without subscribing to the Chronicle. Not on my phone anyway.

      • Avatar Gary Tull says:

        Oops. Sorry Candace. Apparently that article is a subscriber only piece.
        I can’t say for sure but it may become accessible in another day or so by searching
        “Coronavirus concern: Climate needs similar sense of urgency.”

  82. Avatar Common Sense says:

    When asked why he did this the Orange Guy responded – “I didn’t know anything about it! “……ummm wow!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/nsc-pandemic-office-trump-closed/2020/03/13/a70de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html

    This Pandemic is going to be around for up to 6 Months the one Expert says that had this whole thing in his book he published in 2017. Link above in my previous post.

    The most affected will be those in their later years and those with compromised Immune systems. Kids are rarely affected compared to older Seniors.

    We need a real leader in times like these. Not one that that lies all the time. He has been working with a German RX company the last week to try and Secure the Vaccine that they have created and wants it “Exclusively” for the U.S Only and offer to pay big bucks! Let’s just say the Germans are not too happy about this End Around. As a Global Problem we need to work “Together” and not try to burn any bridges like what is going on right now! Our Credibility with our Allies is next to nothing under this administration and this latest effort shows it ME and WE over lets work together.

    Locally we can check in on our Senior friends and offer to help them with grocery runs etc….I have been doing that. A time to serve…..We will get through this if we help each other out and come together.

  83. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Biden/Harris for the Win! Should be coming out soon with the Announcement.

    Adam Schiff for A.G! Clean up this whole mess up. Mayor Pete is going to have a position, which one we don’t know yet. Biden is assembling an incredible team right now to restore some common sense to the White House.

    The only reason Biden will lose at this point is if the “Only Bernie” folks either don’t vote for Biden or write in Bernie’s name OR if enough Dem’s just don’t show up and vote.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Harris is the one that called Biden a racist for being against forced bussing. Why would he pick her as VP? Because she is a black woman? Is that the new criteria for picking a VP? Checking off the right boxes? Adam Schiff…lol

      • Steven Towers Steven Towers says:

        Doug — As every schoolboy knows, the main criterion for picking a running mate is how they help you win. An African-American, a woman, or black woman would help energize many Democrats. I don’t think it’ll be Harris, but it would be rational (unlike the biggest mistake John McCain made in his run: Sarah “The Quitter” Palin).

        As for Schiff, I suspect you and Trump would be more horrified than amused. Schiff was an able federal prosecutor under the U.S. Attorney General early in his career, best known for prosecuting Richard Miller, the FBI agent convicted of spying for the Russians.

        • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

          I think Adam Schiff would be good for Speaker of the House when Pelosi eventually retires.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          You still have to pull Independents and some Republicans over to your side, having someone as polarizing as Schiff won’t help your cause. Also , making a statement that your SCOTUS pick will be a black woman violates how many laws? It is saying that there will be a race and gender prerequisite for appointments to the Court. Identity politics at its best.

          Abrams? The only thing she brings as advantage for the Democrats is her skin color.
          Her sole political experience consists of serving for 10 years in the Georgia Assembly. Wow…
          she lost the 2018 Georgia gubernatorial election. She then insisted that she lost that race due to voter suppression. Her refusal to concede to Kemp seemed like sour grapes to most of the country. But as usual…skin color is oh so important to progressives these days. It is probably a moot point anyway. Be thankful for the coronavirus… because without it, people might have turned on the debate of 2 old guys sitting on a park bench arguing with each other. So painful to watch and is not instilling confidence in Biden’s chances

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            There is no way that Schiff could polarize Republicans any more than they already are—next to zero members of that cult of personality are going to vote for anyone but Trump.

            Independents are another story. They’re not in the bag, but recent polls show that Independents think Trump has been a bald-faced liar and idiot regarding the CORVID-19 response.

            Democrats should be concerned about working class white Christians. There seems to be no bottom to that well of gullibility, and Republicans continue to drink deeply. That, and voter suppression being propped up for the next 30 years by the Supreme Court.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      I don’t think it’ll be Harris, in part because California and most of the populous states of the Western U.S. are in the bag. Also because she carries the same baggage as Biden regarding mass incarceration in support of the Prison-Industrial Complex in their pasts.

      Sen. Klobuchar isn’t a bad choice—there several swing states in her Upper Midwest. Also possible is someone who wasn’t in the race for the nomination. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan maintains a pretty solid 10+ advantage over her GOP opponents, both in her past and projected elections. A good choice if Uncle Joe can keep his hands off of her.

      But I’ll stick with my prediction way up above in the first post of the month: Biden/Warren.

      • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

        Massachusetts has a Republican governor who would replace Warren with a Republican. I think that rules out Warren

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          I hadn’t thought of that. I guess that comes down to Biden and Warren putting eventual control of the Senate ahead of personal ambition.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        Why are you all insisting that the VP nominee has to be someone that had been a presidential candidate? Warren couldn’t even win her own state or a crucial battleground state next door. Warren was a deeply flawed candidate, with an extremely limited following. Voters just didn’t trust her or believe her phony stories or her explanations for why she listed herself as an American Indian In addition, Warren is not even close to being ideologically compatible with Biden. I’m going with your possibility of Whitmer from Michigan. She’s from a swing state that Clinton lost and is a strong Biden supporter.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          I originally picked Warren thinking that the VEEP nominee needed to be someone who can energize the left wing of the party. I don’t think her lack of credibility among your peers in the GOP is a deal-breaker. Biden and Warren aren’t so far apart that the gap would be unsurmountable. Reagan and Bush I were easily farther apart—Reagan based his entire economic policy on what Bush I called “voodoo economics.” (He was right.)

          But regardless, the more I think about it, the more I think the running mate needs to be a woman from the Upper Midwest. Whitmer or Klobuchar.

  84. Avatar Candace says:

    I’m a Sanders fan but I don’t see anyway that’s happening at this point. I’m hoping it’s Abrams (Biden VP pick) but my guess is it will be Harris over Warren or Klobuchar due to Biden’s popularity with/support of the African-American population. Guess we’ll find out!

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Given that Biden already has solid support from African-Americans, I’d argue that what he needs more is Upper Midwest/Rust Belt support from working stiffs.

      • Avatar Candace says:

        Steve, I meant more along the lines that he may feel more of a responsibility to do so exactly because of the large numbers of African- Americans (and of course others) that support and endorse him. Also, both Harris and Abrams are qualified although, again, I much prefer Abrams.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      I like Abrams, but I don’t see her turning any of the Southern states. She couldn’t win a statewide election in Georgia during a boom year for Democrats (though voter suppression played a role in an election where her opponent was charged with ensuring that it was fair). I don’t think Biden will nominate her to energize the African-American vote, either. I expect he’ll get some help from the Obamas there.

      Trump is crazy if he underestimates how much help from the Obamas would weight. But of course, Trump is crazier than a shithouse rat, and as forward-thinking as the status of the rumblings in his intestines, so he’ll probably not even consider the possibility.

  85. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Biden and Harris for the Win! Adam Schiff for A.G. He will really clean the toilet. A good flush then clean it really good!

  86. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    After much soul searching and reading the latest COVI restrictions, limiting no more than ten to a group, the house across the street has thirteen living there, at times I have more than ten in my house, I have decided that I am not going to go live in a cave.
    I am going out, I am hugging my seven year old who has the flu because it makes her feel better, I will leave it up to God to decide whether I live or die. I am through with all The Sky Is Falling panic. My prediction, despite the rhetoric from the left, is I will be in the 80% that survived the COVI.
    Of course I may be batter off than others as my primary care doctor who I just saw Thursday found no problems and his office has an onsite Sonora Quest Lab that can test their patients for COVI.

    • Bruce, I REALLY struggle with exactly how far to take the social distancing. I find myself thinking things like, “Well, it’s OK to be around family and close friends, right?” But then I hear people talk about the infection rate, and how contagious COVID-19 is, and how older folks in particular should self-quarantine. Does that mean I can’t be around my grandkids, and if I am, I don’t hug them?

      A part of me resonates with your quasi fait accompli viewpoint, and thinks, look, maybe the majority of people have already been exposed, and so, in the situation with my grandchildren, if we’re both infected already, we can’t any more contagious to one another than we already are, so we may as well hug with abandon. (Does that make sense?)

      Speaking of grandchildren, I find myself wondering how this memory will play out for them when they grow up. Will it be viewed as a trauma, or a fun time when they were home from school?

  87. Avatar Candace says:

    Unfortunately you may be taking away another’s choice as to whether or not THEY live or die. Say you have it but don’t know, because they are not testing those who are asymptomatic yet, and then you infect someone who in turn gets sick or dies because you decided your mortality is up to God. This makes me so angry. Stay. Home.

    • Avatar Ecadnac says:

      Would you imprison 150,000 infants for life in order to extend by 5 years the lives of 450,000 retirees? Requiring all Americans to self quarantine for 2 weeks would cost more than 150,000 lifetimes (over 4.5 billion days).

      Invert. Always invert!

  88. Avatar Candace says:

    Or consider this; you don’t stay home as you’re being advised and you get infected (because your age group is high risk for catching it) and then go home and expose your large family but don’t know until it’s too late because your symptoms don’t show up for days (or you are one of those that have it but are asymptomatic but you’re a carrier now). You quite obviously love your family very much, why would you be willing to risk their health along with yours?

    • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

      Candace, exactly what is wrong right now is the panic being spread by what ifs and could happens. People can’t find food, water soap because of panic hoarding driven by social media. My neighborhood watch group is full of people with kids that can’t find baby food, diapers, flour, the basics, not because of lack of money but because of panic hoarding. That makes me mad.
      And the latest news from scientists is that my group is no more apt to catch the virus than the rest of the population. I am more at risk of dying than the young but I am not passing it on despite the panic from the left.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Bruce — What’s the utility in tossing around “panic from the left” and “science denial of the right” accusations at this point? The hoarding isn’t a liberal phenomenon—it’s happening in conservative Shasta County, too—in fact, a run on guns and ammo has been especially pronounced. Early on in the hoarding, before it really picked up steam, I encountered a scrum for bottled water at Costco. The people filling their carts were mostly white people above 65—the great majority of that demographic around here are rabid Trump supporters. That said, many local liberals I know have stocked up on essentials. The pandemic anxieties cut across political divides.

        You say you’re choosing not to do the social distancing thing. I don’t know exactly what you meant by your last sentence when you say “…but I’m not passing it on….” COVID-19 is highly contagious. In one of the countries where it was allowed to spread like wildfire, they’re burying people in mass graves. If you get the virus, you become a carrier. Viruses are “designed” to use living organisms as replication and dispersal factories—that’s how a virus works.

        I understand fatalism of the type: “Most of us are eventually going to get it.” That might be true. But when you basically state that you don’t care if we all get it within a few weeks, so you’re not going to take the advice of our best medical experts…well, that seems awfully callous. Not everyone shares your “I’m old, so whatever” attitude. Some of us have loved ones in the “at risk” categories that we’re trying to protect.

        Flattening the curve is currently the most effective way to fight this pandemic. That only happens with social distancing. It’s what’s worked across the globe.

        • Avatar Common Sense says:

          Both Candace and Steve had some common sense responses! The Panic Buying was an equal opportunity event! From what I saw the majority of people LOADING up were 60+. The lady Screaming days ago in Costco Throwing a FIT because they wouldn’t let her purchase 14 Cases of T.P was around 68.What I didn’t see were any 20-35 years old in a panic with carts filled to the brim?
          As mentioned in the above, the problem is not who has it currently or recently had it so much as the thousands that have it and don’t know they have it and are OUT and About spreading the joy! Then you see 2 cases become 4 then 8 then 16 then……take a look at what happened in Italy! So if you don’t Give a Shit about anyone one else move ahead with your selfish plan. It’s America…..we can do as we like right?
          It amazes me less than 12 days ago we had an Administration that said this is a Democratic Hoax and is now dancing to a different tune. Plenty of T Supporters are still stuck on the Original Lie cause they are a bit slow to catch up. That or they have been too busy loading up their Ford and Dodge Trucks with Toilet paper! Next stop Sportsman’s Where House for Guns and Ammo! Woot woot.

          Talk about Whiplash Huston…..from a it’s a Hoax…..those Stupid Dems…… to now….Oh Shit……this is really bad and the hoarding…..Every Man and Woman for themselves….load up on Ammo! Get more Guns! The Libtards are coming for your food and your guns now!!!

          And now the Darwin Award Yesterday goes to the lady that said on Social Media…..it’s the stupid Liberals….they planted this Virus to hurt this President…..its all their Fault!…..Can we label her a Reptard?

          You want to know where this is going? You need to look at Italy…..learn from the Immediate past……listen to the “Experts”. And that is not Faux News…..

          This current event is an equal opportunity event. No partisanship for the Virus….just spreading……it doesn’t know if it’s host is political.

          http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/michael-osterholm

      • Avatar Candace says:

        Bruce, panic hoarding makes me mad as well. If it sounds like I’m being harsh it’s partly because people such as my niece, and many like her, is a doc in Seattle and is on the front lines possibly exposing herself daily to the virus helping those that are sick. The fact that there are currently limited resources angers me when I hear about those not heeding advice and therefore possibly getting sick/and or spreading it to more people. I care about her and everyone else, including you and your family.

      • Avatar Gary Tull says:

        “I will leave it up to God to decide whether I live or die. I am through with all the sky is falling panic despite the rhetoric from the left.”

        Rhetoric from the left? Is that what you see? And the heck with science-based social distancing advice to help slow the spreading of this thing, Bruce?

        • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

          Gary, what science based social distancing? There is only fear based social distancing. If groups of ten or more are banned because of science based rhetoric than I can’t go home.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Gary — The science behind social distancing pre-dates the germ theory of disease. Even before scientist know that infectious diseases are caused by germs, they knew that proximity to the ill gets you sick, and distancing affords protection.

            Yeah, 10 people is an arbitrary number, and so is six feet. It could have been 5 people and 12 feet to be safer, or 20 people and 50 feet to be more lax. The exact numbers are policy decisions, but they’re informed by science. Communicable diseases spread faster in denser populations (so no big get-togethers), and this particular virus is more communicable by touch than by sharing airspace (so keep people out of arm’s reach of each other).

            Nobody is going to ban people going home to households with 10 or more people. Nobody has imposted a *ban* of more than 10 people congregating anywhere, to my knowledge.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Oops. That was a reply to Bruce.

  89. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Exceptional times demand Exceptional Leadership. It’s time for a Change. When Lies equate to more deaths that is unacceptable.

    https://twitter.com/Eleven_Films/status/1239749988646699009

  90. Avatar Bob says:

    Could this kill 1/3 or the worlds population like the S flu in 1918 ?

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      The world’s population in 1918 is estimated at ~1.8 billion.

      At the low end of mortality estimates, ~17.4 million people died (a little less than 1%)

      At the high end of estimates, ~50 million people died (a little more than 2.5%).

      Nowhere near 1/3 of the world’s population died from the 1918 pandemic.

  91. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    For all those fearmongers telling me what to do I will ask the same question I asked on another thread. Have you been tested? If not, why?

  92. Avatar Miguel says:

    Bruce, my impression was that the test is not readily available “on demand.” At least in many locations. Am I wrong about this?

    • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

      Miguel, COVI testing is now available from labs down here in Phoenix, I don’t know about elsewhere. It requires a prescription from your doctor, just like any lab test. There is no On Demand testing to avoid a rush on health care facilities, like the On Demand Panic buying. In fact there is no On Demand lab test for anything. Running out of toilet paper is not the same as running out of COVI tests. Arizona has increased it’s COVI testing five fold in the last week, due to insurers now paying for it.
      As for California you need to check with your local health care agencies.

      • Avatar bob says:

        The test cost approx. $1500. (per. CDC). I think it’s just a respiratory panel test.

        Any CLS out there ? Need some help.

      • Avatar Miguel says:

        Bruce. You perhaps misunderstood (and I perhaps contributed) with my use of the term “on demand.” What I meant by that was the (as yet) asymptomatic general public. You asked if all of us had been tested, and if not, why not. This puzzled me because the answer seemed fairly self evident. Many of us would eagerly volunteer if in fact such testing was readily available to the general public. We haven’t because that is just clearly NOT the case. Much to everyone’s discouragement .. and detriment!

        In my opinion, this very lack of testing has been THE major failing (in a cascading field of blunders and incompetency) in this country’s approach to fighting the contagion. And .. without wholesale testing of the general public (schools, health care, public services, workplace, food service) going forward .. we will continue to be merely spinning our wheels in terms of containment. Testing is absolutely paramount in any effective response we might hope to have. TEST, IDENTIFY, ISOLATE, track CONTACTS .. and TEST! And (for whatever reasons) we’re STILL doing an abysmal job.

  93. Hey there, I know we’re mostly sick of talking about the CV, but I have a serious question about physical distancing (I promised someone earlier that I’d try that phrase rather than social distancing.)

    I was chatting (by phone) with someone today who’s a relative, and we were talking about the uncertainty of what exactly constitutes physical distancing, and even quarantining, when it comes to family members, most of whom don’t live with her. She said what I’d been wondering: “I don’t consider my family when I’m social distancing, to me, they’re just family.”

    If we are supposed to consider family who doesn’t live with us as human contagions, does this literally mean that normal life, like grandkids or friends stopping by, now stops, and literally, the only people allowed inside your home are those who live there?

    Numbers are thrown around regarding the maximum number of people to gather in public (currently it’s 10), but what about in my home, is that number still good?

    Here’s something else: on FB someone in the medical field said that if she attended something where there were many people, like a funeral, that she would self-quarantine for two weeks for good measure. Does it work the other way; that you self-quarantine for two weeks so you CAN go to something, such as, for example, a grandchild’s birthday, but then after that, one must come home and self-quarantine.

    It just seems like the home rules are more strict than the public ones, where stores are still open and there are customers in line, all waited on by one cashier.

    I’m trying so hard to do what’s right without endangering myself or others, but I’m also trying to figure out how literal I’m supposed to be about not going out. For example, I need to get some things at a hardware store tomorrow. Is that OK?

    I’ve pretty much been cooped up inside for three days now, and I’m feeling a little spun out. Is anyone else struggling with the logistics of this stuff besides me?

    I’m really trying to do the right thing.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Doni — As I said to Bruce up above: The science behind social distancing pre-dates the germ theory of disease, which really didn’t get confirmed until Louis Pasteur’s experiments in the 1860s. Even before scientist know that infectious diseases are caused by germs, they knew that proximity to the ill gets you sick, and distancing affords protection.

      Everything beyond that is policy, advice, and personal choice. Max 10 people per gathering is a somewhat arbitrary number, and so is six feet distance between people. You can make it 5 people and 12 feet to be safer, or 20 people and 3 feet to be more lax. So far, there aren’t any social distancing police.

      The policy decisions and recommendations, though somewhat arbitrary, are informed by science. Communicable diseases spread faster in denser populations (so no big get-togethers), and this particular virus is more communicable by touch than by sharing airspace (so keep people out of arm’s reach of each other, and wash hands).

      I am choosing to largely ignore the social distancing measures with my close family. Some of them are choosing not to ignore them with me.

      • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

        Steve, I agree there has always been a stay away from the sick from ancient times. But the Social distancing I wanted science to explain was how far distant. As you say yourself that distance is more arbitrary than based on science.

  94. Avatar Candace says:

    Doni, I know I said I wouldn’t comment again about CV but since you’re asking earnest questions here goes my take: Health officials and some government officials are asking the most vulnerable population, those 65 and older and those with underlying health conditions that compromise their immune systems to stay home and let younger, healthier, family members, friends, volunteers, run errands for them. I’m 63. I wouldn’t need to “self-quarantine” myself at home unless I knowingly or suspected that I’d come into contact with someone who had the virus. I would call a doctor for advice. I am choosing to “self- isolate” at home as much as possible cuz 63 is close to 65. I have an elderly parent that I’m staying away from as much as possible. If I need something from a store because I can’t find someone to get it for me or have it delivered ( more expensive) I’ll go to the store wearing gloves. More than likely that would be a grocery store for food. Family and friends are not currently coming into my home. This is my own personal decision to try and help stop any more spread of the virus that I can. I’m feeling a bit spun out from time to time as well. I’m keeping as busy at home as I can and am in constant contact with friends and family be it text, phone, or email. It’s not fun and it’s not easy. There is no requirement at the moment for people my age to stay home but rather to weigh the benefit vs risk regarding where you’re going. As far as the two-week “reversal” thing I have no idea, sounds a bit sketchy but I don’t know. You’re a young Grandmother with no underlying health issues so other than perhaps your grandkids possibly being carriers I think that’s a choice you’d need to make. Obviously I’m not a health official, this is just how I’m currently choosing to live my life as a 63 year old. Hope I’ve helped a little. Take care.

  95. Avatar Candace says:

    Doni, …and I take walks in my neighborhood but don’t stop to chat unless they’re across the street or far from me standing on their lawn.

  96. Avatar Candace says:

    Doni, also it’s very likely that I may be using the terms “isolate” and “quarantine” incorrectly.

  97. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Doni, the way I understand it is the more distance the better. The supplied link may answer some of your questions. More people will get it from breathing the same air with someone that has it than from a grocery story cart handle more than likely, especially if they wipe the cart handle down upon arrival.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-study/new-coronavirus-can-persist-in-air-for-hours-and-on-surfaces-for-days-study-idUSKBN2143QP

  98. Avatar Common Sense says:

    I think another thing to look at is, Why Specifically did the Orange Guy Refuse test weeks ago from the W.H.O and say they were faulty tests?? It’s not a time to delay the much needed testing. We don’t know where this is going if we don’t know how many are currently infected.

    Other than Mandatory Stay at home for Everyone could we slow this down. Flatten it out so the Hospitals and Clinics are not Over whelmed like they were in China and Italy. Below is a link to a guy that has spent his whole life in the Infectious Disease Sector. In his book published in 2017 he describes pretty much exactly what we have that is going around!

    https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Common Sense, your story about the president refusing tests from WHO was proven to be false. It never happened. The tests were not offered to the US. “The countries WHO helped are ones that lack the virology lab horsepower that exists across the United States.” They were given to countries unable to develop test kits themselves. “…No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States,” said WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris. It does no good for anyone CS, to spread false information in these scary times.

      • Avatar Common Sense says:

        So why did the Trump Administration find it necessary to bad mouth the W.H.O tests???

        I am waiting? And you are correct the WHO tests were never offered to the USA.

        I just find it interesting that the CDC tests are not the most accurate but they have to bash the W.H.O’s tests?

        Spreading false information? We have enough of that going on Doug….like the first 5 days on Fox News and the Presidents ” We have this under control” and you know…workers will just go to work cause its like the flu……etc etc

        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-tests-who.html

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          I was simply pointing out that you were posting false information. All it takes is just a couple of minutes to find reliable sources and do a modicum of fact checking. Try it sometime, instead of just posting whatever Trump hating site you can find on the internet.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Common — I agree with Doug. Let’s all do our best to not spread false information.

          Or, if you can’t resist, don’t make the false information semi-plausible. Try to make the it as preposterously stupid as the false information spread by Der Pumpkinführer, who has now proclaimed himself a wartime president. That way, only 45% of Americans will get fooled, and the rest of us can use our rule of thumb that works almost every time: He’s a compulsive liar. a mental midget, and has diarrhea of the mouth, and nothing he says is to be trusted.

          Good news! Trump announced yesterday that home test kits are coming! (No, I looked it up—he wasn’t talking out of his @$$ this time!) They only cost $135 each—$540 for a family of four, plus the cost of required doctor prescriptions. So there it is—the Trump Clan’s plan of putting testing off until American companies could monetize the pandemic is finally working! (Or at least it will be working, just around the corner. Trust them.)

          Sorry if meanwhile your retirement is being wiped out in the stock market crash. Sorry if you’re now out of work because nobody knows who has it and who doesn’t. And if you don’t have insurance and are afraid to get tested because of what you think it will cost? You’re a loser. Trump likes winners.

      • Avatar Common Sense says:

        You mean spread false info like these guys? Funny how they went from one side to the other. Not funny actually….very Sad….all those brainwashed Fox Viewers saying….president says its nothing….not even worse than that there flu! Guess it’s time to get out there more….Go to work maybe even….even though I don’t feel well…..should be OK…right?

        https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/media/pew-study-coronavirus-media-coverage/index.html

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Once again, CS…you are not being helpful. We are in unprecedented territory right now with this crisis. So far, it seems like the Federal govt has done a decent job so far in handling it. Of course mistakes are made, that is bound to happen, however the constant critisism if the president is not helpful. He did the right thing to stop travel from China admist outrage from many. It wasn’t xenophobic…it was smart policy. How about we pull together as a country…how about we save the critisism until after the crisis is over. I urge you to knock it off.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug sez; “So far, it seems like the Federal govt has done a decent job so far in handling it.”

            No, Doug. South Korea did a decent job of handling it. When they had 4 cases, the SK government summoned their pharmaceutical companies to a meeting and said that the country had an immediate need for as many testing kits as could be developed and produced. As a result, they lead the world in tests per capita. From testing, they knew where their hot spots were occurring. They knew who among the exposed could go back to work, and who needed to be quarantined. They are now on the downslope of confirmed cases per day.

            Meanwhile, thanks to the bungling Trump Administration, we still don’t have anywhere close to a sufficient number of test kits, and our confirmed caseload is still doubling every day. But in this country, the testing kits and data are so scant that we can’t even guesstimate how many Americans are truly infected.

            Trump hasn’t done a decent job—he’s done an indecent job. From inside the White House, we know that for more than a month His Exalted Excellency Prince Kushner grabbed the reins and treated it as a PR situation, until it got out of hand. Your defense of this national disaster just goes to prove once again that your fealty to King Klusterhump der Orang knows no bounds.

      • Avatar Common Sense says:

        You are right doug. That WHO statement was false and I apologize for sharing Biden’s incorrect statement. Now can you get the Prez to apologize for his 13200+ False statements? You can see in my second statement after I verified that it was false.

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/20/president-trump-made-16241-false-or-misleading-claims-his-first-three-years/

  99. Thanks, Steve, Bruce, Candace and Common Sense. That’s helpful. I guess the bottom line is do the best we can to adopt the most sanitary practices, but using our best judgment when it comes to choosing who’s included in each of our day-to-day physical distancing, and what’s the distance for each of our various relationships.

  100. Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

    I had an appointment scheduled with my primary care physician for Monday. Her PA called and told me not to come. Because I am a senior, she suggested that I not go out at all and that if I must go out, I should take a shower as soon as I come home and put on clean clothes. I think this is the same advice given by Steve Towers daughter, who is a nurse in, I believe, Roseville. I had groceries delivered yesterday using the Safeway app. It cost about $20, which included the shopping and delivery fee. It worked well, although I do wish they used paper rather than plastic bags.

  101. Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

    Towers’. I am ashamed that I, as a professional editor, missed the apostrophe. I am not going to reread my post for fear I’ll find other errors because I didn’t proofread my post.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      I’ll never get used to being unable to edit my posts here. Some of the mistakes I’ve made (most using my iPhone) nearly ruin my day. I’ve just learned to grimace and move on.

    • Avatar Candace says:

      Kathryn, I just perused the “privacy policy” on the Safeway (Albertson’s) app. (cuz at home with more time on my hands). I don’t usually do that (of course I should). You’re more than likely already aware of this but for those who aren’t, if you keep scrolling through it (it’s long) you’ll come to the part regarding the “opting out” of emails, phone calls, mail, etc that you’re very likely to receive due to their sharing of some your info. depending on what info you provide them and for what purpose. One part said that one’s social security number could be shared depending on how you’re using the app and again, for what. So be careful with that. Of course you can opt out in real time at the initial contact point with email, text, or phone. Not so much with the mailed ads you might get from other companies with which Safeway shares your info (that link is in the Privacy Policy). I’m not posting this to scare people off from using the app, I’ll more than likely be using it at some point. It’s a good idea. My intention is to simply remind people using it to be mindful of information they share. Take good care.

      • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

        I hope I didn’t provide my SS number. Thank you for the warning. The app requires you to pay by Apple Pay, which I had to sign up for. So far, I haven’t received any unexpected emails.

  102. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    Here in Phoenix, different and similar to other cities, My granddaughter has had her hours cut at Subway due to delivery only policy. She has now gone back to Postmates as they are very busy, as all the food delivery services are. FRYS is reportedly hiring on spot because of their order online and pickup at stores.
    But one at home mother pointed out a problem many have, they do not have a credit card. Gift cards was a suggestion but if one has to go out to buy a gift card they might as well just go to the store.
    My wife went to three stores early morning, Walmart, FRYS and Safeway. She was able to get eggs, milk, distilled water(for CPAP), but no toilet paper.
    She saved the plastic bags in case we have to use napkins or discarded socks for TP.
    Where did all the Sears catalogs go
    Gone to bankruptcy

  103. Avatar Bob says:

    While no one is paying attention. Syrian War ! Times like this can start a major war.

  104. Avatar Bob says:

    I foresee a great earthquake in CA. In the coming week !

  105. Avatar Common Sense says:

    They say….we don’t care! We are going to Party! It’s an old people’s virus! There goes Florida. Very Self Centered.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-governor-refuses-shut-down-beaches-amid-spread-coronavirus-n1162226

    • Avatar Candace says:

      My nephew in Portland is 38. He’s likely got the virus. My son in NY is 30. I found out just now it’s highly likely he’s got it. My nephew owns a restaurant in Portland. My son, living in NY only went out to one place; the grocery store. I say “likely” because both of their doctors tell them over the phone that, yes, their symptoms sound like they indeed have the virus. They will not be tested but instead are being told to self-quarantine at home and call the hospital if their symptoms get worse. Not looking for discussion or argument here, just pointing out ages and differences of exposure. Of course I’m worried sick. They’re my “babies”; one of them being so quite literally.

      • Avatar Common Sense says:

        To a Speedy Recovery to Both of them Candace! CBD Oil helps quite a bit, Just an FYI.

        The virus doesn’t know the difference in Political Party or Income levels etc.

  106. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Below is a link to a website designed just for tracking this Covid Virus across the world. It updates many times per hour. Yep….it’s pretty Scary…..watching it go up and up….if that doesn’t make you a believer about now….there’s just no hope!

    Now that it’s making it’s way through Congress…..it’s REAL! For them…..it’s been real for use a long time ago, well for those with common sense.

    https://ncov2019.live/?fbclid=IwAR3qtbJouv7qOL31LwwoclLDjxxFbY-FOinvLhGBH3jB3WFbtUuzstKbjZ8

  107. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Claiming they didn’t want to use the test kits from W.H.O because they are not that accurate. Funny how there is no evidence or info for that claim? Much like ALL the other false narratives that come out of this Administration.

    I am betting a 50.00 that the Orange Guy didn’t divest himself in that Biotech company he had an interest in when he became prez ?? The one that produces good OL USA tests?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-tests-who.html

  108. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    Real news from Arizona, not rumor or opinion.
    Drive up testing is starting to take place as more safety equipment and tests are becoming available. The way drive up works is a patient must have a prescription from a doctor showing they have signs and need to be tested. This enables patients to not have to find one of the private labs now doing testing, Sonora Quest, LabCorp, that insurance now pays for.
    For my part my primary care doctor, who I saw Thursday, has a Sonora Quest lab in house. If I need to be tested, or actually any labs, I return to the reception room and take a different door. I am healthy and show no symptoms thus do not need to be tested.
    I have asked those on here who question my social distancing if they have been tested when I should have asked do you have testing available in Shasta County. Some have said there are no confirmed cases of COVI in Shasta County, how do you know if testing is not available?
    And as lack of safety equipment for testing personnel is cited as one of the handicaps for testing than why is ICE in southern California going on immigrant raids? They require and have the same safety equipment that COVI testers need. Does getting illegals off the street take precedence over COVI testing?

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Bruce — The answer to your questions about Shasta County: We’ve had one positive test, that person has recovered 100% and is no longer testing positive, so we have zero active confirmed cases. Our protocol is the same as as yours: You have to have a doctor prescribe the test. If the screening criteria are met, you get tested while being kept separate from others. However, since the tests are still in extreme short supply, nobody is really getting tested. Unless you havre a high fever and have had contact with a confirmed case or are returning from a trip to Europe, forget it. (I suspect it’s still much like that in Arizona—you don’t just get a test because you want to know or need to go back to work.)

      So you’re right. We currently have zero *confirmed* cases in Shasta County, but we have absolutely no idea how many active cases we actually have.

      I didn’t know that ICE uses the same short-supply safety equipment as medical health professionals testing COVID-19 patients. Why are ICE raids taking priority? You’d have to ask Commander Shinsplints, who has now declared himself a wartime president. Or rather, ask someone in his administration who wouldn’t answer, “I take no responsibility. I didn’t have anything to do with it.”

  109. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    WHY TRUMP HAS ZERO COVID-19 CREDIBILITY (ABRIDGED VERSION)

    Feb. 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. It’s going to be fine.”

    False.

    Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

    False. Stupid.

    Feb. 25: “CDC & my administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

    False.

    Feb. 25: “I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away. They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”

    False.

    Feb. 26: “We’re going very substantially down, not up.”

    False.

    Feb. 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

    False, unless there’s an actual miracle.

    Feb. 27: The United States is “the best prepared in the world” to handle COVID-19.

    False.

    Feb. 28: “We’re ordering a lot of supplies. We’re ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn’t be ordering unless it was something like this. But we’re ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

    Meaningless gibberish.

    March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don’t think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

    Ignorant AF gibberish.

    March 2: “A lot of things are happening; a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

    Things? Meaningless gibberish.

    March 4: “If we have thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work – some of them go to work, but they get better.”

    Horribly wrong-minded.

    March 4: “I never said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

    No, you just strongly implied that there’s no harm in going to work.

    March 4: “The flu is worse.”

    False. Even the most conservative estimates put the death rate at 10x that of flu, with higher contagiousness and a higher percentage of “sleeper” carriers.

    March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down. We’ve really been very vigilant, and we’ve done a tremendous job at keeping to down.”

    False.

    March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. And the tests are beautiful. They are perfect just like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

    False, false, f***ing false.

    March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

    Crazy-ass megalomaniac gibberish.

    March 6: “I don’t need to have the numbers double b/c of 1 ship that wasn’t our fault.”

    It’s always about optics more than it’s about reality.

    March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine-tuned plan at the White House for our attack on Coronavirus.”

    False.

    March 9: “The Fake News media & their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power to inflame the Coronavirus situation.”

    But it’s the Democrats and the Fake News who are politicizing this.

    March 10: “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

    False.

    March 11: Americans “who have undergone appropriate screenings” will be exempt from the travel ban from Europe.

    False. There were no conditions on citizens returning from Europe.

    March 11: Health insurers “have agreed to waive all copayments for coronavirus treatments.”

    False.

    March 11: The travel restrictions “apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo” from Europe.

    False.

    March 13: NATIONAL EMERGENCY DECLARATION

    March 15: “The Chinese Virus.”

    No, it’s COVID-19, you racist, blame-deflecting POS.

    March 16: “A month ago, nobody thought about it.”

    False. That was you.

    March 17: “This is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

    Insanely delusional or bald-faced liar? You pick.

    You can fight me on the particulars if you want, but the overall pattern is compelling. This guy is unfit for the office. Someday in the future our phony leader will need to be held accountable.

    • Avatar Gary Tull says:

      March 18: many CA counties have issued Shelter In Place orders

      I often contemplate how much longer can We The People afford to stomach the guy.
      Christ! November is still a ways out.

      Thanks Commander Bone Breath for being excruciatingly stupid and slow on the uptake.

  110. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    Almost certainly too late now to avert a national disaster, even if by some miracle Trump were immediately replaced by a competent party.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/19/coronavirus-projections-us/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

    Coronavirus will radically alter the U.S.

    Here’s what may lie ahead based on math models, hospital projections and past pandemics

    By
    William Wan,
    Joel Achenbach,
    Carolyn Y. Johnson and
    Ben Guarino
    March 19, 2020 at 7:59 a.m. PDT
    PLEASE NOTE
    The Washington Post is providing this story for free so that all readers have access to this important information about the coronavirus. For more free stories, sign up for our daily Coronavirus Updates newsletter.

    When Jason Christie, chief of pulmonary medicine at Penn Medicine, got projections on how many coronavirus patients might soon be flocking to his Philadelphia hospital, he said he felt physically ill.

    “My front-line providers — we were speaking about it in the situation report that night, and their voices cracked,” Christie said on Wednesday. They saw how quickly the surge would overwhelm the system, forcing doctors to make impossible choices — which patients would get ventilators and beds, and which would die.

    “They were terrified. And that was the best-case scenario.”…

    In the worst-case scenario, America is on a trajectory toward 1.1 million deaths…”

    As to what you can do, if you have a particulate mask sitting in your closet that you bought for use in previous smoke events, USE IT. They reduce viral transmission rates dramatically, by largely blocking airborne droplets.

    If you have spare masks, give them to those who cannot avoid frequent close contact.

    It is scandal that every police officer (and retail clerk) in the country today has not been issued masks, and has been required to use them.

  111. Avatar Candace says:

    Steve, I pick both; Insanely delusional and bald-faced liar. As we’ve been and still are experiencing in real-time, that’s a very dangerous combination. While the rest of us are indeed banding together to try and help one another acquire necessities he itries to flip the narrative to “Chinese Virus”, gives himself a “10” , attacks the press in an embarrassingly childish way and says when asked about the discrepancy between his saying there are now enough tests on the ground for doctors and hospitals and what doctors on the ground are actually saying which is “not enough tests”. His reply? “That’s not what I’m hearing (not verbatim).” And yet, that’s the reality today, not enough. Thank goodness their are adults in the room such as Dr. Fauci as well as bi-partisan support to try and ramp up testing availability as well as figuring out ways to offer financial support for all those affected. At least that’s a step in the right direction. Listening to those in this morning’s press briefing each peppering their responses with the obviously required by Trump phrase “under the President’s leadership” was nauseating and infuriating. Yes, we all need to come together and help one another and for the most part we are. That doesn’t mean we hop on the Trump train of “right-in-front-us” deceit regarding his role in his response. Trust my own eyes and my own ears. That said, I’ll still due my civic duty to help others however I can but I’ll certainly be holding Trump accountable for his lies when I vote in November. It’s possible to do both.

  112. Avatar Candace says:

    *do

  113. Avatar Bob says:

    How about the 20k + flu deaths every year in America ! This is looking more like Media hate Trump BS again. Fake news again. Weiner’s laptop news is about to hit hard.

  114. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Republican Senator Burr- N.C, boy does he have great timing! He Sold up to $1.6 in soon to be hit hard stocks……right before the Crash! An Amazing Coincidence I am sure. Kind of makes you wonder who else had such great luck?

    https://www.axios.com/richard-burr-coronavirus-stock-7bd10426-de87-43d7-9939-8241d2ab08db.html

      • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

        Both are scum.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Jesus God.

        I know Republicans who are good, smart people. I can’t believe they can keep the faith in the face of all this shit.

        How do they rationalize it now that it’s Trump’s party and there’s absolutely no moral or ethical core remaining? Principles of fiscal responsibility replaced by running up the nation’s credit cards. Within-reason libertarianism replaced by scary-ass authoritarianism. Here are the keys to the building white-collar criminals, wild-eyed evangelicals, and flaming racists.

        I could go on and on, but I don’t think anything explains it except tribalism.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        Hey CS…why did you ignore Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein selling off $1.5 million of stock at the same time? We can have bipartisan outrage, can’t we?

        • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

          Nowadays, the term “bipartisan outrage” is damn near an oxymoron.

        • Avatar Steve Towers says:

          The question of insider trading will likely turn on timing. If Feinstein and Inhofe read the tea leaves and started selling off stocks in January, prior to the private Senate briefing, they’re just prudent investors.

          If they walked out of the private “the shit is hitting the fan” Senate briefing and started selling off that day—like Barr and Loeffler—it’s insider trading.

          I don’t know when Feinstein and Inhofe started dumping stock, but if it was shortly after that briefing….buh bye to them, too.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            H.R. 2534: Insider Trading Prohibition Act — To amend the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 to prohibit certain securities trading and related communications by those who possess material, nonpublic information (e.g., a private Senate briefing by the White House).

            Status: Passed House, going to Senate.

            Prognosis: Given a 1% chance by Skopos Labs of passing in the Senate, signed by the President, and being enacted.

            Translation: Like 80% of bills passed by the House in the past 1.5 years, it will never leave Mitch McConnell’s desk for committee review, let alone to a vote.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Feinstein sold off her stocks in February…of course,she is saying that she did not sell the stocks, that her husband did. I guess that makes it all better.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Any of them claiming to have their investments in blind trusts are going to have a tough time defending the stocks being put up for sale on the day of or after the Senate briefing—it’ll look like they dropped a dime immediately after the briefing, and that will likely be easy to prove.

            If your claim is that your spouse or investment manager did it without any input from you within a day of the briefing, good luck with that, asshat.

            If the divesting happened at any time from mid-February to mid-March, it could easily be argued that their investment managers were tracking the buffoonery of the Trump administration and making decisions on that basis.

            Whatever happens, I expect the current ratio of 3 Repubs to 1 Demo to either hold or improve (from the Demos perspective) in the coming week.

        • Avatar common sense says:

          Ummmm because it wasn’t in the NEWS when I posted there Mr Travels.

          It’s an equal opportunity crime so Anyone that commits it should be help responsible! If it can be proven that they did it AFTER they had their Intel meeting…..do the crime….do the time! Either party!

          How’s that apology coming from your Prez? I am waiting……

          • Avatar Candace says:

            Ok, off topic CS but it struck me that “Mr. Travels” is the perfect cat name. (Sorry, looking for a modicum of levity anywhere I can find it these days, carry on.)

  115. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    According to one plan my wife and I will receive $2500 because we make less than $150,000.
    My daughter will receive $1500 because she makes less than $75,000 and receive an additional $500 for each child. She works in healthcare at ST Joseph Hospital and I think should receive hazard pay, a military term.
    My son is borderline $75,000 but he and his wife combined make less than $150,000. He should also receive hazard pay as he is a CDL driver delivering product to Walmart stores all over Arizona and southeast Nevada.

  116. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    With schools closed the maintenance at a school in southern California was doing spring cleaning and found over a thousand respirator masks stored in a back room. They had purchased them a year ago for student protection during wildfire season. With schools closed they donated the masks to a local hospital.
    As one who worked in Shasta County schools I know all about backroom storage as the schools can’t just simply throw things away. How many SC schools have items in their back rooms that could be used now?

  117. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    Don’t wanna step on Val’s territory, but I made a playlist for these times. It’s called “Apocalyst” and it’s mostly in the “Americana” realm.

    https://open.spotify.com/playlist/44ggwYZa08KSofMmD1DbnH?si=p5nQcVYET4iFjiNE3U35dw

  118. Avatar Common Sense says:

    There have been few things I have agreed with the President on but this one got on that short list!

    No BAIL OUTS for companies that took the last handout only to buy their own stock!! I hope he sticks to this one when it comes down it!

    Credit where credit is due! And lets face it….it made him look bad when they did that!

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-slams-companies-using-u-211526001.html

  119. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Maybe Doug can explain this one? “I am right and I have been right a lot he says”….!

    So that first 10 days this was a Dem Hoax? and you were right? I am really confused here. Having the state try to find their own ventilators and supplies while the Federal Government Bids Against them?

    That’s right?

    Like I said….it was a short list.

    https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1241041500936568838

    Sad

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Yes, you are confused, CS.. first of all, I have never said what attributed to me in quotes, “I am right and I have been right a lot he says”….! I have never said that. Secondly, as been stated a number of times on these pages… President Trump never said the virus was a hoax, what he said, and I posted the video at the time, was that the Democrats politicizing the viru and referring to Democrats finding fault with the administrations response to coronavirus, not the virus itself.
      So yes, CS…this is the 2nd time in the last 2 days where I proved you wrong. I guess I am in fact correct more than you are.
      As far as the Federal govt’s slow response…well, yeah. Our bloated federal bureaucracy moves at a snail’s pace. Always does. It’s not Trump’s fault. It’s not Trump’s fault that the CDC lied to him to cover their butts…it is what entrenched bureaucrats do…and you want these people to be in charge of your health care?

      • Avatar Common Sense says:

        No Doug, the confusion is you have partaken of the Kool Aid long ago and it has not worn off. The President said what is quoted not you. And your President KNEW about this Threat months Prior to it happening HERE and your President didn’t believe his Intelligence Community…..once Again!

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Doug — The quote was obviously something Trump said, not you.

        And speaking of being overly defensive and hyper-partisan, Trump politicizes this crisis every single day. He can’t help himself. He’s so thin-skinned that he reacts to nearly every hint of criticism by flaming Democrats, the media, and (of course) stupid, unwashed, disease-ridden furriners.

        Your blaming of a bloated federal bureaucracy for our slow reaction to this pandemic is alarmingly delusional. That came from the top. The government’s intelligence and public health communities were banging the gong loudly in January—that was ignored. If you’ll recall, Trump was emotionally invested in the fantasy that the pandemic would just blow over.

        Trump’s addresses to the nation throughout the crisis have been so clearly unhinged from reality that the morning after he made his initial COVID-19 address, the stock market panicked and crashed. It goes down more every time he opens his mouth. Of course, he blames the Democrats and the media for each drop. It’s not the never-ending vomiting of idiocies and bile that flow from him. It’s NEVER his fault.

        The truth about how the Trump administration absolutely blew the roll-out of testing—the cornerstone of effective, knowledge-based epidemic control—is undeniable at this point. We are still, as of yesterday, near the bottom of the barrel in per-capita testing, just ahead of Thailand and Vietnam. The world is looking at us and marveling at the United States reacting like a third world country—so bad that much of our current testing capacity is humiliatingly thanks to the charity of China’s wealthiest billionaire. How could that possibly be?

        The answer is that our federal government is led by amateurish buffoons who don’t believe in science, or even consensus reality. Trump allowed a wholly unqualified family member to take the reins—a self-important, unqualified former slumlord who thought this was just a PR issue.

        Frankly, for you to defend Trump’s leadership in this crisis at this point…you’re embarrassing yourself, whether you realize it or not.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          This is from about ~10 days ago. It chronicles how badly we botched the testing, even though we had the luxury of seeing ahead of time how quickly it could spread by having it first blow up in Asia and Europe. And the thing about exponential growth of a pandemic, once you blow it in the beginning, it’s out of the can and you can’t get the initial advantage you had back.

          Here’s the tragedy of a nation comprised of so many Trump sycophants and apologists: To refuse to hold Team Trump accountable for their bumbling is to reward their bumbling and encourage more of it.

          https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-many-americans-have-been-tested-coronavirus/607597/

          • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

            I think Doug is intentionally remaining ignorant of Trump and his toadies’ failure to act in time to protect us from this deadly virus.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            This from the same people that called Trump a racist and white nationalist for banning travel from China at the beginning. Back in January, this is what YOUR presidential candidate had to say about the travel ban, “.. This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia.” That is what Biden had to say. Kathryn, of course hindsight is 20-20…nobody at the beginning knew the extent of the crisis. The Democrats were focused on impeachment during the beginning, and never gave the virus much thought, especially with the Chinese government lying and being secretive and deceitful about how dangerous it was. Trump’s response at the beginning no doubt saved thousands of lives, despite the critisism from the left. The day after W.H.O declared the virus a “public health emergency of international concern”, the administration declared a national emergency. Of course there have been screw ups since. You think any other administration would be different? No…this is just an excuse to bash Trump during s national crisis when we should all be pulling together. There is plenty of time afterwords to reflect on what could have been done differently. Bit don’t pretend that it was only Trump that didn’t take it as seriously at the very beginning. We all did. Impeachment was more important to you all than the virus in January.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug sez: “This from the same people that called Trump a racist and white nationalist for banning travel from China at the beginning. Back in January, this is what YOUR presidential candidate had to say about the travel ban, ‘.. This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia.’”

            First of all, l challenge you to find where I or Kathryn called Trump racist and xenophobic for the ban on Chinese travel. I would cite that as one of the few timely and correct moves he’s made.

            As usual, you’re taking “this” and making it into “that.” Biden said that this was no time for Trump’s *history* of racism and xenophobia. That’ clearly a warning about Trump’s track record. The charges of racism and xenophobia relate largely to Trump viewing this pandemic through his über-nationalistic lenses, because he can’t help it. Thus, when everyone else in the world has agreed to “COVID-19,” he tries to rename it “The Chinese Virus.” He shuts down travel of Chinese nationalists from China. Later, travel from Europe. Fine. He threatens to close the border to Mexico at a time when there were far more confirmed cases in Canada (not surprising given that Canada has a large population of Chinese immigrants, particularly in British Columbia, which leads Canada in confirmed cases), and says that the Democrats not supporting his wall are the reason for outbreaks in the U.S. False, stupid, and nakedly racist/xenophobic pandering to his base.

            Lastly, you say Biden criticized Trump’s response “Back in January…” What?! According to you, COVID-19 wasn’t even on the radar back in January. You said: “…hindsight is 20-20, none of us realized the danger of this back in January.” News flash, Doug: Your professed ignorance in January isn’t everyone’s ignorance back in January.

            I think you and Trump were well aware of the budding pandemic back in January. I think you’re trying to take your long history of denial and support of Trump’s denial and attempting to reshape it into: “Who could have known?” Uh….pretty much everyone, Doug.

      • Avatar Common Sense says:

        Doug explain to the Audience here why your president knew from the Intelligence Community that this was going to be a Big Deal ( two months ago) and he discounted them and Believed the Chinese Leader instead??

        Many will die because of all his choices and Lies. The numbers now are going to Explode as we get more testing done.

        https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-china/index.html

  120. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    Common Sense, not the poster, is what Democrats lack. My son has to carry a letter stating he is an essential worker because the Democrats don’t have the common sense to realize a truck delivering food is essential.

    • Avatar Candace says:

      Carrying required papers during a pandemic doesn’t seem like much of a hardship to me other than perhaps causing a brief delay in delivery time. I certainly appreciate those that are transporting food, etc. but it’s not like anyone is out to “get” truck drivers. I can think of worse things.

      • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

        Candace, some areas have always been out to get truckers, right on these pages truck traffic on I5 has been bashed. Enforcement on shut down restrictions differs from state to state and even city to city. Some communities rely on truck fines to support their cities. I have seen that some cities are planning on ticketing people out on the street, that is preying on the homeless and poor who have no choice. Carrying “papers” sounds like Gestapo tactics to me. What’s next, posting a big C on anyone over 60.

        • Avatar Candace says:

          Bruce, Just curious, when you say some cities rely on truck fines to support their city are you meaning along the lines of something akin to small towns having speed traps? Or? Legit question no truck drivers in my family.

          • Avatar Candace says:

            Bruce, I take that back , I have one truck driver in my family; she drove long and short haul but not for many years now.

          • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

            Years ago I was riding through Nebraska, hitchhiking, with a trucker. He was stopped by the Highway Patrol who asked the driver to buy tickets to the Policemen’s Ball. The truck driver bought two and later told me there was no Policeman’s Ball but now he had clear sailing through the rest of the state.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Bruce — In which state does your son have to carry papers?

      • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

        Steve, My son is in Arizona where he probably won’t need them but he, along with his fellow drivers, do go to California occasionally and the company want’s to be proactive. CR England is a national company that delivers to many areas of the country under lock down and indications from some of those states are that they will call up the National Guard to enforce the lockdowns. So it is not just my son but all of CR England’s fleet that have those letters. I don’t know about other trucking companies and apparently I shouldn’t have let “the cat out of the bag”. That was posted on Senator Sinema’s Facebook page so maybe the Democrats are planning something they don’t want the general public to know.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Thanks for refreshing my memory—I had thought he was with you in Arizona and I wondered when Democrats got the blame, “when did Arizona turn blue?”

          If all of CR England’s are carrying papers furnished by the company, that’s a private-sector decision. It sounds prudent. But I agree, “Your papers, please?” is a line that we all recognize from films that feature Nazis.

          It goes to the old (probably apocryphal) Chinese curse: “May you live in interesting times.”

  121. Avatar Common Sense says:

    This is a site that updates what appears to be once an hour or so that tracks this whole COVID-19 spread.

    https://ncov2019.live/data

    Now off to find my Cat- Mr. Travels! …..Candace….wink

  122. Avatar Linda Cooper says:

    Bruce, I just got an email from a friend in Carmel, California who provides home support for the elderly. The company she works for gave her “papers” in the event she was stopped. I write this in the spirit that this seems to be the way of the world now.

  123. Avatar Linda Cooper says:

    Seriously? Now Doug is blaming the impeachment process for the lack of response by the “president.” Or am I imagining that? Meanwhile, Chico just reported the first case of you know what.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      At this point, it’s pathological. Trump Derangement Syndrome is real. It’s just not what the people who typically use that term think it is.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      You are imagining that…how can you possibly come up with that interpretation of what I said? I never said that I am blaming the impeachment for a lack of response. What I said is that at the very beginning, nobody paid much attention to the virus. At the beginning, the left was focused more on impeachment than the virus. Who I am blaming is the Chinese government for their deception. As I said… hindsight is 20-20, none of us realized the danger of this back in January. I would have never thought that I would lose my job over this, but I did. I just find it disengenious to critisize the Trump administration when at the beginning, we all couldn’t foresee where we are now. How many more deaths would there be in the US if Trump listened to Biden about Trump’s “hysteria” and “xenophobia”?

      • Avatar Gary Tull says:

        Doug — Your quote, “None of us realized the danger of this back in January.”

        I call B.S.!

        Throughout January and February, the U.S. intelligence community was warning Trump that the pandemic was going to hit America. “The system was BLINKING RED,” one official said. Because of this president’s negligence, the United States lost two months of response time — precious days that should have been used to test the population and acquire additional N95 masks and ventilators.

        Trump got the memo early-on but ignored it.

  124. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    Papers Please does seem the way it is now so let’s stop with the Trump Gestapo claims.
    Two other things that seem to have been lost amid the Anti Trump train.
    Does anyone know what happened to, I believe his name was George, the homeless man who would post on here using computers at the library that is now closed every where? How is he coping?
    And Steve hidden in a paragraph amongst your Trump bashing was how you brought family from Sac to the relative safety of Shasta County. How is that going? Media all over the world are begging for stories about how people are coping.
    I’m sick of the endless regurgitating anti trump news. I want to hear how people are coping.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Bruce said: “My son has to carry a letter stating he is an essential worker because the Democrats don’t have the common sense to realize a truck delivering food is essential.”

      I like you, Bruce. I enjoy your perspective on pretty much all matters, largely because you’re both clear-eyed and sweet-souled. But it’s a little late for either of us to be claiming the “let’s not politicize this” high ground, don’t you think?

      As for my family, we’re coping. The two from the Bay Area are still camping in the pecan orchard in self-imposed quarantine. We’re taking long dog walks together in Palo Cedro while keeping our buffers intact. Our walk up French Creek Road is normally sans any other walkers. Yesterday we ran into four groups of other neighbors taking the same stroll.

      As I’ve said elsewhere, if it were up to me I’d be hugging all the kids and grandkids like there’s no tomorrow, but it’s not up to me. If/when I get it, nobody wants to think they gave the old man the bug.

      I took my first drive into Redding yesterday in a week. AquaGolf was open—I guess somehow it qualifies as an essential business—and all ~30 hitting bays were full, with several people waiting at probably half the bays (families, friends)—there were probably 50 people total. I’ve never seen the bays more than one-third full before. Normally on a Saturday, there might a dozen people there when it’s busy.

      • Avatar Gary Tull says:

        “There are over seventeen thousand golf courses in America, they average over one hundred and fifty acres a piece – that’s three million plus acres, four thousand, eight hundred and twenty square miles – you could build two Rhode Islands and a Delaware for the homeless on the land currently being wasted on this meaningless, mindless, arrogant, elitist, racist, there’s another thing; the only blacks you’ll find at country clubs are carrying trays. And a boring game. A boring game for boring people. You ever watch golf on television? It’s like watching flies f#ck!” George Carlin

  125. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    Sen. Rand Paul, M.D. (R-KY) has tested positive for the COVID-19 virus.

    If you’re a U.S. Senator they test you, even if you’re asymptomatic like Sen. Paul.

    My kid, the hospital nurse-practitioner who’s had a cough for over two weeks. Nope.

  126. Avatar Candace says:

    Steve, I disagree with him on some things but I agree with your “sweet souled” description of Bruce.

  127. Avatar Candace says:

    Anybody else having trouble with a Safeway Delivers or instacart apps? SafewayDelivers says “not in my area yet (96001 Country Heights?) and instacart keeps kicking back my email as incorrect ( it’s not) and has an estimated hold of 58 min (cuz CV) on the phone ( they direct you to online chat however it’s not an option on the app so I emailed instead). Thanks in advance.

    • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

      I have used it without a problem but I live at an address that the app says Safeway will deliver to. Instacart does the shopping and delivery. I live fairly close to a Safeway. I have seen news stories that show volunteers who will deliver to seniors and those with underlying health issues. Good luck.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Candace — I recommend fiddling with the Instacart App a bit more. Quite a few local stores (Sprouts, Costco, Safeway, etc.) are on the app, and they deliver to Palo Cedro with same-day delivery if you order early enough—next-day if you’re late.

      If Instacart is willing to hoof it all the way to PC, they’re certainly delivering to Country Heights.

      • Avatar Candace says:

        Steve, I gave up. There’s a problem with it recognizing my email as legit. I know how to navigate an app so I contacted their CSR thru email because they’re not responding with chat or by phone. I’ll try again later as did see that they included those stores and I suspect you’re correct and they deliver to Country Heights cuz that made no sense to me either. Thanks for the suggestion though, appreciate it.

  128. Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

    Candace, see the piece on krcrtv.com about deliveries by Volunteers of VOAD or something close to that. Sorry to refer you to a Sinclair station.

    • Avatar Candace says:

      Kathryn, thank you I’ll take a look at KRCR but my guess is I’m not “senior” enough. I’m 63 and capable of getting my own groceries; just choosing to not do so in less I have to.

      • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

        Candace, if you would like to have groceries delivered to my porch, ask Doni to send me your email address and I will email you my phone number. Steve Towers is a friend and I’m sure he’ll vouch for my honesty. We ‘re living through a nightmare and we need to help each other as much as we can.

        • Avatar Candace says:

          Kathryn, Oh no, I thought my comment thanking you for your thoughtful offer posted last night. Thank you! I ended up having to use Walmart delivery. I’ll keep trying to get Instacart to accept my email as legitimate. Take care and thank you again, I greatly appreciate the offer. Take good care.

  129. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    My grandkids live with me so it is impossible to isolate from them. Today I watched over them and the neighborhood kids as they played in the street full of energy after a week of lockup, more due to weather than anything else. It would be nice to live on my 3 acre parcel in Anderson or the 9 acre parcel in Cheyenne but this is the way it is in the city. I take walks with my walker around the neighborhood, a lot more foot traffic these days, a lot of businesses have shut down. I dug up my old metal detector and took my 9 year old detecting at the corner park. We will go to other parks when the weather is better and the flooding has stopped. My neighborhood is full of working families and it is easy to see most are still working, though at reduced hours. My neighbor and one son works at Goodwill and the stores have cut their hours back to 10 -6. Another neighbor is a dispatcher for a trucking company and still works her graveyard shift. Another neighbor drives a garbage truck and thankfully works every day. The golf courses and the golf carts running around on the street, despite the brisk weather, don’t seemed to have lessened. Is Golf an essential?
    My differences with other posters on here has more to do with circumstances than politics.
    I really appreciate our news reporters, mostly young, who are on the front lines showing the news at ground zero, I guess you could say, as they pursue officials for more information.
    My credit union, Blue Credit Union based in Cheyenne, last week deferred all loan payments for two months for all members. It was automatic with no fees or paper work to fill out. One can still make the normal payment or use the extra money for essentials.
    Just standing on a corner in Arizona coping.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Bruce — From my observations, I’m starting to look like the social isolation we’re practicing is rearranging the deck chairs or “The Band Played On” while the Titanic sinks.

  130. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    I’m sorry but I can’t resist this.
    As Biden searches for a suitable woman VP.
    Look up in the sky, who’s coming to the rescue
    Is it Cat Woman? No
    Is it Wonder Woman? No.
    It’s Hillary Rodham Clinton!
    LOL

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Bruce — Is this your personal speculation/prediction? I can’t find in the news any hint of Hillary throwing her hat in the VEEP ring.

      I think the party elders would tell Biden: “Not only no, but HELL no.” The Clintons are still way too polarizing, The last thing Biden needs to do is energize the GOP groundlings and alienate independents/swing voters. Plus, I’ve never seen any indication that Joe and Hillary are close. Biden is close to Obama, but I can’t imagine Obama urging Joe to pick Hillary. Whatever else you might think of him, Barack is a pragmatic guy.

      • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

        Steve, my speculation. Clinton has appeared showing support for others and said never say never. But think about it.
        Everybody says Clinton won the 2016 election because she won the popular vote but was cheated out of it by the Electoral College. There were other reasons as we have stated but one reason was she didn’t get the Black vote because they didn’t vote. Clinton had the popular vote and Biden would bring the Black vote.
        The country needs and wants a calm comfortable, one could say boring, helmsperson running the ship now. That would be Biden/Clinton.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          I believe Clinton wants to be VP and is positioning herself to be available. She was also hoping for a brokered convention where she could swoop in and save the Democrats from Sanders. That is not happening as Biden will be the nominee.
          This current crisis is falling into the Democrats hands. they are able to suspend the campaigning…keep Biden hidden and free from his gaffes while the president continues to embarrass himself. Have you heard anything from Biden lately? Not a peep. Chances are Trump won’t be able to run on the economy against Biden. It’s not his fault, but I doubt the economy will roar back before the election. That will hurt Trump. I’m now giving better odds of Biden winning. My, how things change in the political landscape.

  131. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Well that “Stimulus Check” we have been hearing about over and over is actually a Tax Credit !

    Like that is a Shock to anyone that has noticed the 16,241 lies to date over the last 3 years and probably more than that by now!

    No wonder the Dem’s are having a hard time with the Senate proposal…..it helps business’s and Corps….and similar to the last Tax Cut…..doesn’t do much for the working guys and gals out there…..there is NO check to cash and buy anything with….pay bills with…..

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/politics/read-senate-gop-stimulus-bill/index.html

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Quit yer bellyaching, CS. Haven’t you heard of trickle-down?

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      The bill you mentioned has nothing to do with the president. It is Congress that passes spending bills and the President simply signs it. The money we will receive is not merely a tax credit. What has to happen is the IRS is going to dig up your 2018 tax return, based on the information on that return, the IRS will compute a “credit” you are entitled to receive, and then cut you a check for that credit. So no, CS…it is NOT a tax credit, it is how they are calculating the amount sent to all of us. There will be a check to cash despite what you falsely believe.

      And yes…the stimulus package should of course help businesses. The federal government made businesses shut down.
      Here, this may help you a little on how we pass bills.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        C’mon, Doug. The president doesn’t simply sign a bill that Congress crafts. I *know* you know that Sect. of Treasury Steven Mnuchin has been intimately involved in the stimulus bill negotiations. You’re not dumb, so to say with a straight face that “the president has nothing to do with the bill” is grotesquely dishonest.

        Why are you so eager to cat-bathe Trump’s feet?

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          But it is up to Congress to come up with the final version that is agreeable to everyone. They are responsible for the language of the bill…yes, the executive branch has input into what they want. The other point I was making is that once again, Common Sense shows none and posts false information saying the stimulus is nothing but a tax credit. THAT is what’s grotesquely dishonest. Checks will be issued shortly. In your reply to him, it sounds like you bought CS’s story without question…wonder why? Because it makes Trump look bad?

          The fact is that Trump and Mnuchin wants to get money in the hands of citizens quickly, “…“Americans need cash now and the president wants to get cash now,” said Mnuchin. So why do you want to believe Common Sense when he falsely said the president lied about checks being sent out, that it is nothing but a tax credit?

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            :::ahem:::

            You said: “The bill you mentioned has nothing to do with the president.”

            Admitting you were wrong would have sufficed.

          • Avatar Common Sense says:

            Did you even read the thing Doug? 2101 section….its a Credit……Even Cat Bathing Foot workers can read that.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Steve, I know how bills are passed, I am not wrong…but hey, nice deflection again to avoid admitting Common Sense was wrong and you went along with him.
            Once again, in this time of uncertainty and angst…what is the point of making up stories? What is the point in painting the president in a negative light when we should be pulling together as a country?

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — You said: “The bill you mentioned has nothing to do with the president.”

            Again: You were flat-ass busted D- in 8th-grade civics wrong. You were the lights came on and your pants were down around your ankles wrong. You were Billy Bush had his tape recorder on wrong.

            You accuse me of deflecting, then accuse me of having an opinion about CS’s post—but I didn’t say a damned thing about CS’s post. THAT’s deflecting.

    • Avatar Common Sense says:

      Update: The latest negotiations have Yielded a CASH payment version (check) Vs the Tax Credit as the Republicans previously had on the table. Nice to see we are heading the right way.

      https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-updates-senate-republicans-to-release-relief-bill.html

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        It was always a cash payment. The GOP never floated the idea of a tax credit. You called the president a liar about this subject, which was irresponsible.It was the White House plan that envisioned two rounds of checks of equal size, distributed about six weeks apart.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Wait, Doug…a White House plan? I thought you said earlier the President has nothing to do with bills being written up in the Senate.

          You’re spinning us so hard it’s making some of us dizzy.

  132. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    Dr. Anthony Fauci, on Trump’s many false statements, in an interview by the flagship journal “Science”: “I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down.”

    Oh, please do. Even Republicans who have money in the stock market might support you on that, since markets tank every time Trump opens his mouth.

    He went on: “I’m exhausted, but other than that, I’m good. I mean, I’m not, to my knowledge, coronavirus infected. To my knowledge, I haven’t been fired.

    He’s seeing the writing on the wall. He’s either going to burn out, tasked with the daily mitigation of Trump’s misinformation campaign, or he’s going to get shit-canned at some point for offending Der Thinskinnedführer.

    And the nation’s top infectious disease expert—who feels exhausted—hasn’t been tested, because three months after the gong was banged, there are still nowhere near enough tests.

    In other news: Russia and China sent doctors and medical supplies to Italy to assist with the crisis. Meanwhile, Trump sends his totalitarian buddy Kim Jong Un a personal letter, offering assistance to North Korea.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Dr Fauci also said the other day that the response of the Trump administration in the fight had been “impressive.” “…We’ve never had a threat like this,” Fauci explained. “And the coordinated response has been, there are a number of adjectives to describe it. Impressive I think is one of them. I mean, we’re talking about all hands on deck, is that, I, as one of many people, are on a team, I’m not the only person.” Governor Gavin Newson praised the White House response…heck, even Rep. Ilhan Omar praised President Trump’s handling of the crisis, saying it was saying it was “incredible and the right response in this critical time.”

      With that being said, I agree that the president should step back and let the experts do the talking. He’s not helping with his inconsistent statements.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Yes, Doug—there are a lot of people who think the administration is finally waking up and taking positive steps. Few of the accolades afforded people in the administration who are doing their best are specifically meant to praise Trump himself (unless you’re only listening to Mike Pence credit Trump for the sun rising this morning).

        Dr. Fauci’s extensive statements to “Science” make it clear that Trump’s leadership is a hurdle, not an asset. My primary concern is that—like the patriotic ex-military guys who thought early on in the administration that they could bring some discipline to the chaos—Dr. Fauci and his fellow experts at the top of the CDC and other agencies will burn out or get shoved out. It’s not like competence hasn’t been shown the door before.

        • Avatar Candace says:

          Steve, except for today the president and others in his admin are making noises about sending “healthy” people back to work as early as one week from now. He’s adopting a “wait and see” approach but seems to be leaning in that direction rather than listening to health experts. So, so much for the “waking up” part.

      • Avatar Common Sense says:

        It’s funny how Doug never responded to the two months EARLIER the President had Known about this post? The Intelligence Community Told him about all this and the risks…and…..he went with the Chinese Leader over his Own Intelligence Community.

        I guess it’s it gets pretty hard to fight the Truth?

        HELLO

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Well, CS…I did respond to the response about the virus from 2 months ago. What did the president do when he got the intelligence report? He shut down travel from China, which then Democrats called him xenophobic. At the time, Joe Biden called the president’s actions ‘hysterical’ and ‘xenophobic’. How many lives were saved from that immediate action, and restricting travel from Europe? I also mentioned that hindsight is 20-20. In January and early February, not many were taking the virus that seriously. At the time, the Democrats were more focused on impeachment than the virus.

          I will criticize the president for believing China when they were downplaying and lying about the outbreak in their country. It was the lying and secretive nature of the communist country in China that caused this crisis…not Donald J Trump. Even Dr Fauci in late January was more concerned about the virus spreading in countries with ‘weaker health systems’, not the US. What would you have wanted the president do back in late January when the virus started to come to light? Like I said, hindsight is 20-20

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Here are some headlines from our left leaning newspapers back in late January and early Feb about the virus…
          “How our brains make coronavirus seem scarier than it is” – Washington Post 1/31
          “Get a grip, America. The flu is much bigger than coronavirus”- Wa Po 2/1
          ” Why we should be wary of an aggressive response to Coronavirus-WaPo 2/3
          “In Europe, Fear Spreads Faster Than the Coronavirus Itself” NY Times 2/18
          What’s spreading faster than coronavirus in the US? Racist assaults and ignorant attacks against Asians” NY Times 2/21

          In NY, the NYC Health Commisioner tweeted this on Feb 9th, “…In powerful show of defiance of coronavirus scare, huge crowds gathering in NYC’s Chinatown for ceremony ahead of annual New Year parade. If you are staying away, you are missing out!”
          Another health commisioner tweeted out “..I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about coronavirus”

          Yep…back then most of us weren’t that concerned about the virus.

        • Avatar Common Sense says:

          Rather than take responsibly for their deadly missteps, in recent days, Trump and his deputies have targeted their ire at China for suppressing evidence of the outbreak in its early days and mishandling the response as it spread. Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo have taken to using the phrase “China virus” to describe the strain; one White House staffer even called it the “Kung-Flu” when speaking with an Asian-American journalist. While China did struggle to respond effectively, censoring experts who tried to draw attention to the worsening disease, the Post story documents how Trump dragged his feet in January and February, even as “a majority of the intelligence reporting included in daily briefing papers” was about COVID-19.

          https://www.motherjones.com/coronavirus-updates/2020/03/washington-post-trump-virus/

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            CS, Why won’t you ever respond to my reply about President Trump instituting a travel ban from China? Very early on that undoubtedly will be credited in saving thousands of American lives. Remember when Biden called the move ‘hysterical’ and ‘xenophobic’? Where Pelosi also criticized the move as xenophobic? When asked of Bernie Sanders about the travel ban, this is what he said, “…No. What you don’t want to do right now when you have a president who has propagated xenophobic, anti-immigrant sentiment from before he was elected.” Senate Minority Leader Schumer said the travel ban will “do more harm than good.” How many more deaths would there be if it was a President Biden? So don’t give me that bull about the president dragging his feet, there would be thousands more deaths in the US if not for the president’s quick action.

            Yes, CS…it is a China virus, it was China’s secrecy and deception that caused this worldwide pandemic. You don’t think we should point that that out and hold them responsible? Or are you going to go along with their propaganda campaign where they blame the United States? You are blaming President Trump more than you are blaming China and Xi. Unbelievable. We should be targeting our ire on the Chinese government…this is their doing and we should point that out daily by reminding folks it is a Chinese virus.

          • Avatar Common Sense says:

            Now some Factual Info from a guy that has a pretty good grasp on the whole White House. What he did by resigning is what no Republican would ever do…..he took the heat and left the kitchen. If a Republican was accused of what he did, (like the president) they would shrug it off and blame someone else or write a Large check to shut them up!

            https://alfranken.com/read/the-president-is-crazy

          • Avatar Doiug Cook says:

            You are dredging up Al Franken? Really?

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Al Franken confessed publicly to past crude behavior with women, showed contrition, and resigned from the U.S. Senate.

            Donald Trump confessed privately to past sexual assaults of women, denied he’d really done it, dismissed it as “locker-room talk,” showed no contrition, indulged his persecution complex, and stayed in the race for President.

            Doug, I don’t expect you to comprehend the magnitude of your obvious, laughable, ridiculous double standard, but the rest of us see it clear as day.

  133. Avatar Miguel says:

    As an observation, I’d like to remind people to be a little wary of performance evaluations that are handed out during times of stress. A broader picture will one day appear but for right now there’s a lot of eggs being broken to make a lot of omelets (if that’s not too inane as a metaphor), and all that is really apparent at the moment is a lot of eggshells and a whirl of activity. As is also common during these times, there is going to be a lot of raised voices and finger pointing .. and an equal amount of back slapping and gratuitous praise .. both of which should be given their due, and at the same time a large grain of salt. That’s the way we react, and it’s also the way we get things done. Carrots and sticks .. And politics.

    We should also remember that, as human beings, we almost always have a strong instinct to follow (and for the most part esteem) our leaders during times of crisis. That’s also the way it works. A great majority of Californians will be persuaded that Newsom is doing a “pretty good job” over the coming weeks and months .. regardless of any real metrics or facts on the ground. The fact is, anybody that has a pulse and isn’t visibly drooling from the mouth while issuing platitudes and assurances from behind a microphone is going to be lauded as a strong and effective leader under the circumstances. (I’ll refer you to Rudy Giuliani in the not so distant past). Quite obviously there are qualitative differences between good leadership and bad at these times .. but we’re not very good at evaluating them in real time.

    We like to believe that hardship and crisis brings out the best in us as humans. (I’ll leave the proof or disputation of that as a discussion for another time). But what we do see is that it also has a tendency to turn us into acolytes and followers. In times of uncertainty we will hand over our allegiances and trust .. both fulsomely (in overwhelming numbers) .. but also, and unfortunately, largely without discrimination.

    Almost EVERY governor will be getting high marks for their “handling of the situation” .. despite their disparate words and actions .. as we bumble and bump our way into the next few weeks and our uncertain future. That’s just the way we’re wired.

    The fact that DJT is NOT currently benefiting from this fundamental human dynamic .. says (I think) something very specific to the man, and the circumstance. And .. it is early days yet. Don’t be too terribly surprised if, a month or two down the road, this same man isn’t being lauded as a “hero” and “the capable man at the reins.”

    Be mindful. And stay safe. All of you.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Well said, Miguel. You could have ended that with :::mic drop:::

    • Avatar Candace says:

      Miguel, regarding your last paragraph about not being surprised about Trump and his possible changing “heroism status” it’s one of the things that greatly worries me because I think there’s a very high probability that that could happen. I can’t fathom him doing anything that would earn him hero status in my book; 20/20 hindsight and all. He’s already caused too much harm for too many people in too many areas of life.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        According to Gallup, Trump’s approval rating for handling the crisis is at 60%

        • Avatar Larry Winter says:

          And where’s hiden Biden? At least Bernie’s out there fighting.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            You didn’t see Biden’s embarrassing interview with MSNBC? Oh Boy…Do any of you have confidence that Biden could handle a crisis like this as president?

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Biden would surround himself with competent people and take their advice, Doug.

            Biden wouldn’t have spent 1.5 months ignoring what was happening across the globe. He wouldn’t assume that his self-described enormous intellect and infallible gut feelings trump every available source of expertise, information, analysis, projection, and prescribed mitigation. He wouldn’t sending ongoing mixed signals regarding the seriousness of the pandemic. He wouldn’t be daily undercutting the advice that his experts are desperately trying to convey. He wouldn’t be, on a daily basis, making the crisis about his own deep sense of paranoia and aggrievement.

            You mentioned Biden, but I could have said the same for almost anyone who has run for President over the past few decades. I could easily argue the guy who runs my local supermarket would do better job leading the response to this crisis. Almost anyone with the ability to put the handling of the crisis ahead of themselves would be doing a better job than Der Pumpkinführer.

            I don’t watch cable TV news, but Doug prompted me to track down Biden’s MSNBC interview. For those of you who haven’t seen it, decide for yourselves if it’s an inferior perspective and performance to that of our thin-skinned, word-salad producing Meglaomaniac-in-Chief.

            https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/24/biden_fumbles_interview_why_doesnt_trump_act_like_a_president_thats_a_stupid_way_to_say_it_sorry.html

          • Avatar Larry Winter says:

            Thanks Steve for the link. To Doug, calling Biden’s interview “embarrassing” isn’t how I would describe it. In fact, I thought he did well, considering the time lapse in communications. And I’m no fan of Biden. As Steve also pointed out, Biden would be much better than Trump, as I also think that he would get out of the way of the experts.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            At the beginning of the crisis when President Trump banned travel from China, which we now know undoubtedly saved thousands of lives…Biden called the move ‘Hysterical’ and Xenophobic’. I also posted a number of different headlines from newspapers in late January and early Feb warning about Trump’s overreaction to the coronavirus. My, how the narrative has changed. So tell me Steve, was Trump’s reaction to ban travel from Europe and China an overreaction? Did you also call him xenophobic for banning travel? It’s still a bit early to know for sure…but indications are that the US was able to get in front of this crisis and we won’t become another Italy.
            But go ahead, do your best to try and damage the president…Russian collusion didn’t work, impeachment didn’t work. This is another shot for you. We should be taking politics out of this issue…but you all can’t help yourselves.
            What gross incompetence that President Trump doesn’t have massive warehouses filled to the rafters with millions upon millions of test kits to diagnose a disease that didn’t even exist three months ago and for which no test previously existed….

            Can we please just stop this nonsense and act like grown ups for once?

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — You’re a broken record. Trump’s performance speaks for itself. We had a far greater lead time to respond than Asia and Europe, and we’ve performed abysmally. We’re at the bottom of the barrel in per-capita testing. We have among the steepest growth curves on the planet—steeper than Italy’s.

            None of your straw-man proclamations, your putting words in the mouths of others, nor your ridiculously absurd rhetorical questions change any of that.

            Your scoldy, schoolmarmish admonitions about politicizing the pandemic are laughable, as you blindly and reflexively defend Trump while casting insults at Biden and other Democrats, while ignoring Der Pumpkinführer’s daily politicizing of the pandemic.

            Jesus. You are without shame in your defense of our failing POTUS.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Steve, You criticize the president for the the lack of testing kits available. I don’t blame Trump as much as I do the bloated burdensome bureaucracies that are responsible for the lack of urgency. For years now the president has been criticized in his attempt of reducing burdensome regulations. There were FDA regulations in place that slowed the testing process. When the virus was declared a public health emergency, protocols kicked in wherein labs that wanted to conduct their own coronavirus tests must first obtain an emergency use authorization from the FDA. The emergency declaration actually made it more difficult to expand testing outside the CDC because of the myriad regulations. The director at the University of Washington Virology Lab put it this way…”We’ve got a lot of scientists and doctors and laboratory personnel who are incredibly good at making assays. What we’re not so good at is figuring out all the forms and working with the bureaucracy of the federal government.”

            For years now, we have been hearing criticism of the president for his desire to remove over burdensome regulations. Why did South Korea move faster than us? Because they aren’t hampered by the bureaucracy of the FDA. Hopefully we have learned our lesson and now will put in place an automatic trigger so these decisions are made immediately upon the declaration of a public health emergency. I doubt that any other administration would have been able to move any faster. I think it is a good lesson to learn, when and how we remove these regulations during an emergency. Maybe we now can look closely at federal regulations and make the changes necessary to expedite emergency procedures. But, heck…it is much easier to blame Trump for everything, isn’t it?

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — Shit from a bull. We had our shot at test kits that were available for purchase from other countries. We took a pass because Trump wanted the CDC to “buy American” and wanted U.S. companies to come up with the tests. They stumbled for weeks. We ended up taking charity from Jack Ma, Chinese billionaire, who sent us our first 500,000 kits.

            Bad leadership. Bad results. Bad situation that’s going to get worse.

            Your Trump ass-kissing has grown tiresome. Buh bye.

        • Avatar Common Sense says:

          Still straightening chairs on the Trumptanic ? I am wondering if he lied about his test also? I am not sure he will make to the end of the year unfortunately for his followers…..He’s not looking good Doug, he ran off the podium today half way through……probably hiding his real test results?….not good.

          It’s time for a real leader…..A Science Based Leader…..One that tells the Truth most the time would be an improvement…..It’s the Pathology……he can’t help it….right?

          Downplaying the Virus the first couple of weeks……Sad…now this….and it will get worse now….all those that believed him…..it’s nothing…..spreading the Virus……very Sad.

          https://twitter.com/i/status/1242627914866339840

        • Avatar Common Sense says:

          Not looking good for the Orange Guy. Biden beating him by 9 points right now!

          https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-leads-trump-wins-high-marks-for-female-vp-pledge

  134. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Will Dr. Fauci be the next Casualty to Plague the Trump Administration? We all know what happened to the others that dared to contradict the Orange Guy.

    What’s next? He will want everyone back to work and all stores and business’ open in 3 weeks because it is just to draining on the Economy? So we lose 200k….hey….we need to get back to Making Some Money Guys!

    When the Lies Turn into Dies……..

  135. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    In real first hand news from the Valley of the Sun. My daughter who actually works at St Joseph Hospital said the ER is seeing patients outside and if they have COVI symptoms they are told to self quarantine at home because the hospital has no test kits and no isolated area to keep them.
    Arizona now has 3 confirmed COVI deaths, all three were elderly with underlying health conditions. Arizona has recorded it’s first, unfortunately it probably won’t be the last, death to false claims on social media. The man and his wife ingested a chemical used for cleaning fish tanks because of the fake, confirmed by a state doctor, claim that the chemical would cure COVI.
    And for Arizona’s resemblance to The Walking Dead my daughter avoided all the Zombies and met up with a truck driver who had toilet paper, and like a lot of other generous souls down here he refused payment. For my part I avoided the Zombies as I met with a local man who had toilet paper, he doesn’t charge either, but I was able to trade excess food to him to hand out to others.
    Just standing on the corner in Arizona coping.

  136. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    Bruce, As for the Arizona couple poisoning themselves: they ingested chloroquine phosphate with drinks because Trump inaccurately said chloroquine has shown “tremendous” promise against COVID-19.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/man-dies-after-ingesting-chloroquine-attempt-prevent-coronavirus-n1167166

    • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

      Trump was talking about a drug that cured malaria and because of social media the couple took the wrong drug.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      No…the Arizona couple were idiots for drinking fish tank cleaner that was labeled ‘not for human consumption’. How stupid was that? And you want to blame the president? How dispicable. That’s like a doctor saying wine is good for you, so you go drink a glass of rubbing alcohol. Good grief.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        “The man’s wife told NBC News she’d watched televised briefings during which President Trump talked about the potential benefits of chloroquine.”

        If Trump bears any indirect responsibility, its because the GOP has been recruiting the left-hand side of the IQ bell curve for decades and grooming those yahoos to abandon what little critical thinking they’re capable of. When Trump says something, no matter how far-fetched it is, they’re all in on it.

        Trump: “Chloroquine is showing great promise!”

        Trumptards: :::drink poison:::

      • Avatar Candace says:

        No matter who/how they heard/translated the information, calling frightened people doing self-harming, non-sensical things exactly because of that fear “stupid idiots” helps no one. Lets all keep our sense of compassion for one another.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Okay, but there’s still room to ask, “For Christ’s sake, when are these people going to stop believing everything Trump says?” It doesn’t seem to matter how badly he misinforms the citizenry or mismanages the crisis, they remain true believers.

          It’s one thing when they only harm themselves—whether you think it’s horribly tragic or just desserts—but much of their failure to respond sanely owing to their acceptance of Trump’s “it’s just a PR issue” misinformation campaign puts the rest of us at risk. All you have to do is drive around Redding and profile those who still appear to think this is much ado about nothing.

          • Avatar Candace says:

            Steve, I’m not saying there’s not room to ask in the broader sense of what you’re talking about. I’m saying that in this case they only harmed themselves and I find that sad. I have no quarrel with your point about “much ado about nothing”. I also have no problem with things being enforced. The fact that social media conspiracy theorists are frantically whispering about “Marshall “ (ahem) law is driving me nuts. Most of them have no idea what that even means. Here’s my son, Sam, (who you can imagine is even more frustrated with those not taking things seriously) talking to me from NY: “If only we had some kind of centralized, well-organized group of people who are trained to respond in an organized way to crisis.” “… it would be really helpful if we spent more money than the rest of the world combined on that group of people.” *sarcasm intended.

      • Avatar Gary Tull says:

        “The Arizona couple were idiots for drinking fish tank cleaner that was labeled ‘not for human consumption’. How stupid was that?”

        Doug, I agree with you on that part.

        However, they still got the ill fated chloroquine idea from someone they perhaps trusted — this prez. The result: one is dead, the other in critical care.

        • Avatar Gary Tull says:

          Upon reflection and with no intentional condemnation to anyone, I apologize with regret for supporting a rather insensitive quote at the top of my above post.

    • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

      All the talk recently about the magic Malaria Pill trump was promoting, made me remember back when we took our malaria pills every Monday in Vietnam. Every Monday, everyone in Vietnam.
      In the central highlands we took an additional malaria pill, a small white one every day.
      Anyway, Got me to thinking, maybe I’m immune.
      Then I remembered, trump was talking. For a moment I thought I had drunk the kool aide.

      • Avatar Candace says:

        Chad, I don’t remember where I read the following or who said it but but it pretty much sums up how many of us are feeling and that’s a very sad and scary state of affairs to be in; especially in the midst of a pandemic: “Save time: Assume Trump is inept and lying.” I’ll stick with the Docs.

  137. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    Social media? No. At recent press conferences the president has been pushing the idea that chloroquine holds strong promise as a treatment drug for COVID-19 — as it may or may not be for malaria. The Arizona two quite literally consumed industrial grade chloroquine phosphate believing it would protect them from being infected because trump has been suggesting chloroquine as a (unproven) remedy.

  138. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Remember when trump said that if we voted a Socialist into office it would bankrupt the country, millions would no longer be working, food store shelves would be nearly empty, and the stock market would hit record lows as the economy stalled, and he was the only one who would make sure this would never happen…well, here we are.
    Interesting times…..
    I don’t agree with the Dem’s on forgiving $30k in student debt and some other things…..put a cash payment to all American Adults that had an income makes sense to me. Hopefully they can all put their Partisanship aside today/tomorrow and pass something!

  139. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    The demented sociopath in the White House now wants to ignore the entire legitimate medical community and just call off all their recommendations in a couple of weeks, because he thinks endangering millions of Americans will improve his chances for re-election. When he was FINALLY pressured by over-whelming evidence to do the right thing, I knew it wouldn’t last for any time at all.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Ignore the entire medical community? What exactly did he say? That he wants to open a dialogue about the immediate future? He never said that he was going against the medical community, he said “At the end of the 15-day period, we’ll make a decision as to which way we want to go” Which is a wise statement. We can’t go on like this for much longer. There is nothing wrong about having a dialogue about what the best course is, with the medical communities input. Maybe the best course of action is to keep the vulnerable folks quarantined and get the country back to work. There are probably hundreds of thousands of small businesses that will never come back from this economic crisis, with the loss of employees. So yes, Patrecia. We can have this discussion, we can see what’s going on in other countries that are ahead of us in the pandemic. and no Patrecia, he did not say he was going to go against the recommendations of the experts. The experts are saying that “Ninety-nine percent of all the mortality coming out of Europe, in general, is over 50 and with pre-existing conditions.” So whats wrong with talking about the next step? I am out of work right now, as is my wife. We can’t maintain this forever.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        I’ll partly agree with Doug on this one. There’s nothing wrong with having an ongoing dialogue and making decisions based on the situation at hand rather than what we’d hoped or feared it would be—it’s called “adaptive management.”

        It’s only a problem if most of what comes out of Trump’s mouth is either irrationally optimistic, wildly speculative, in flat-out defiance of reality, and counter to expert advice. At this point in the game, it doesn’t help to give people a false sense that this is going to blow over in a week or two.

        It’s reasonable for reasonable people to talk in terms of cost-benefit analyses: Saving lives vs. cost to our future. It’s unfortunate that our president has proved repeatedly that he’s morally and intellectually unfit to lead those discussions, or even participate in them.

        • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

          Doug Cook,

          Nowhere have I read that Trump is interested in “having a dialogue” – only that his administration is laying the groundwork to rush ahead with business as usual at the end of this 15-day period, because that’s what his wealthy corporate backers want. We know by now that Trump couldn’t care less about the well-being of the country or its citizens. On the rare occasions when he actually does the right thing, it’s always entirely self-serving.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            “…because that’s what his wealthy corporate backers want.”
            No, because that is what the workers that have lost their jobs want, when it is determined to be safe. Who is being hurt by all of this? It is not the wealthy corporate backers, it is the restaurant workers, the airline employees, people like me that have been furloughed. What do you care? You mean we can’t have a discussion about how long we should continue to destroy the economy?

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Doug Cook,

            Oh right – the fact that their businesses are closed, which is cutting massively into their profits, and the stock market has been crashing all over the place doesn’t affect them at all. Are you serious?

          • Avatar Anne Thrope says:

            Every week of home imprisonment kills over 80,000 78-year American lifetimes in the hopes of preventing a few thousand slightly early deaths from the Wuhan Boomer Doomer. This seems more like generational theft than rational policy.

          • Avatar Larry Winter says:

            Annie, generational theft is putting our war on terror on the credit card.
            We’ve all forged our youngins signature on the credit application, haven’t we? You included?

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Miss Anne Thrope — A few thousand?

          Spain and Italy have instituted intense lock-downs—far more rigorous than ours—each with thousands of deaths so far, and neither country is well over the hump. Their populations are much smaller than ours, so if our death toll ends up being on scale with theirs, it’ll be in the tens of thousands or more *even with* most of out country closed for business.

          “Wuhan Boomer Doomer” is clever. But let’s be honest—you’re asking us to sacrifice Boomers so that your lifestyle is minimally impacted. That’s an arguable position. Some might call you a sociopath for taking that stance, but I see it as the rational position of a person who is unapologetically concerned with self-interest.

          I have no great love for my generation of Boomers, so I’m willing to say your take is a legitimate option so long as you’re willing to unambiguously make clear what you’re proposing: Let the Boomers get it, let tens of thousand of them die, and let God sort them out.

          That about it?

          • Avatar Anne Thrope says:

            Not even the most pessimistic prediction calls for more than an average of 80,000 American deaths per week (the worst I’ve seen is 5 million over 18 months – 65,000 per week).

            Surely America could save hundreds of thousands of lives each week if we locked everyone in prison with no weapons, no drugs, no alcohol, and fed them balance calorie-appropriate diets, but most of us value freedom more than a longer, yet still diminished, life.

          • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

            Anne Thrope, I turned 78 last January and I am still trying to figure out what you were saying.

          • Avatar Anne Thrope says:

            Mr. Vojtecky, quarantining 330 million Americans for 7 days destroys 2.3 billion days of American life. With an average American lifespan of 78-79 years, that equates to more than 80,000 Americans lifespans lost to house arrest every week.

            In exchange for this massive destruction of American life and freedom we are hoping to prevent the loss of, at worst, an average of about 10 years of lifespan for a few thousand Americans each week. So measured in lifespans lost or saved, this quarantine is destroying far many more lives than the killer Kung Flu.

          • Avatar Larry Winter says:

            Annie, if every American took the 1 minute to read your post, you will have destroyed the equivalent of 8 lifetimes.

            Do you feel bad yet?

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Miss Anne Thrope sez: “Mr. Vojtecky, quarantining 330 million Americans for 7 days destroys 2.3 billion days of American life.”

            I can only report from my last 7 days of quarantining—I can’t speak for the other 330+ million Americans.

            My last 7-8 days haven’t been destroyed. The weather is gorgeous—my wife and I just returned from walking our dogs 2 miles on back roads (no people encountered today). I made a nice beef bourguignon for dinner last night. We’re catching up on a lot of spring gardening and winter-deferred property maintenance. I’m spending as much time as I can with my youngest daughter (the kid I see least of these last few years) and her boyfriend, the COVID-19 refugees from Berkeley. They’re looking around and saying, “Maybe country life in Shasta County?”

            So far, it’s been more of an unscheduled staycation than a destruction of my life, at least for now.

            As for only 65,000 per week dying over the course of an 18-month epidemic, that’s about 4.7 million Americans dead…that’s more than 10 times the number of Americans killed in WWII. Maybe trying a couple months of flattening the curve is a better option.

          • Avatar Steve Towers says:

            Larry — Wife just asked me, what are you laughing at?

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            I should add: When I told her, she laughed, too.

    • Avatar Common Sense says:

      Patrecia, you are onto something there. https://alfranken.com/read/the-president-is-crazy

      What does that say about an individual that constantly defends CrAzY? Mmmmm

  140. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    Right now Arizona ABC News is trying to ferret out all the false COVI cure claims on social media. Unfortunately it is like chasing a whack a mole. The big message they are posting, because of the unfortunate fish chemical tragedy, is Do Not Self Medicate see a doctor.
    And calling this couple stupid idiots is as disgusting as implying they were Trumptards that drink poison.
    I think just about everyone agrees that this is not going away in a couple of weeks.
    Just standing on a corner in Arizona coping.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Yeah, sorry Bruce. I regret calling the couple who drank poison in response to Trump’s blue-sky potential treatment pronouncement “Trumptards.” That, I’ll admit, was disgusting. I feel bad for people who are confused in these trying times, often by confusing leaders. If I could delete the comment, I would—but since I can’t, I’ll quote Colonel Nathan R. Jessup (Jack Nicholson’s character) from “A Few Good Men.”

      “Well, aren’t I the asshole?”

      I do enjoy what I assume is your allusion to the Eagles song, “Take it Easy.”

      “I’m just standing on a corner on Window, Arizona….”

  141. Avatar Candace says:

    Steve, “Window”, lol. I wasn’t sure if it was an allusion to The Eagles or the Four Lads (although I’d venture a guess there aren’t many girls walking by at the moment). I was trying to remember how old Bruce is but since you live in Arizona I’m guessing the Eagles. I even went so far as to try and find out if that was hard-knock, gum-shoe PI’s catch-phrase used by a mystery novelist character, lol. What say you Bruce? (Just me fillin’ time at home…)

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Spellchecker changer it from “Winslow.” No edit, so there it stays.

      • Avatar Candace says:

        Steve, Oh, lol. I thought (because of course you knew it wasn’t “window”) that you were just substituting as in alluding to being on a corner and “watching thru a window”. Ya, the no edit thing is what it is. I was a proofreader for years so I’m hyper aware of some of my mistakes. That said, I’m fairly sure I misuse semicolons on a regular basis.

        • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

          Candace, I was an editor for years and years. I have not noticed any egregious punctuation errors in your posts.

      • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

        I used to date a guy whose sisters were among the seven women. I can’t remember how but he showed me proof. He ended up being a jerk and I’m sorry I was reminded of him.

  142. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    With a dozen deaths and more testing coming out I am sure the infected number will increase.
    A lot of talk about housing the homeless down here safely, one idea is to convert the closed hotels into homeless housing. With 50,000 inmates making prisons safe for the inmates and staff is also a priority.
    Back to normal by Easter, not in Arizona.
    Any thoughts up there on setting up the homeless in Stillwater Business Park?

  143. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    Tragically Shasta County now has its first known death from coronavirus, which is apparently increasing in California at large by a whopping 17 percent A DAY. If there is such an explosion of cases with all the safety measures in place (including a considerable number of young people who need to be hospitalized), I can’t imagine what would happen if those measures were removed.

  144. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    The reality is that by within a week the USA will almost surely surpass all other nations in the total number of reported COVID-19 cases, even though we trail most of the other severely infected nations countries in tests administered per capita.

    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    In short, only a few months since America detected its first viral infections, we will have become the epicenter of the world pandemic, with one person largely responsible for this national disaster.

    In this struggle, Trump has effectively allied himself with the virus, against the American people and the entire human species.

    The reality distortion field emanating from the White house has had all of us arguing the minutiae of health care policies and economic relief programs, while the obvious national priorities are ignored. There is only one rational course of action now, a national isolation program to interrupt the exponential advance of the virus.

    Had we done this a month ago, thousands of American lives could have been saved.

    But there are still tens of thousands of lives that will be saved, IF we take action.

    “Coronavirus Is Advancing. All Americans Need to Shelter in Place.
    The worst of the pandemic is yet to come. Listen to the medical experts. It’s time for a national lockdown.

    By The Editorial Board

    The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.

    March 24, 2020

    1406

    Credit…Maddie McGarvey for The New York Times

    President Trump needs to call for a two-week shelter-in-place order, now, as part of a coherent national strategy for the coronavirus to protect Americans and their livelihoods.

    Once he does, and governors follow his request, there will be time to debate how soon some controls might be lifted, or how soon certain people, like those under a particular age, might be free to resume something like normal life.

    There will be more time then to develop palliative treatments, and more time for the federal government to order up the test kits and ventilators needed nationwide. There will be more time to gather data about which regions, and which people, are most at risk.

    But the United States has passed the point where aggressive, targeted efforts at tracking and containment, like those pursued by South Korea, have a realistic chance of success. And calls for voluntary social distancing have had mixed results, as the photos of spring breakers crammed together on the Florida beaches last week made clear…”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/opinion/coronavirus-trump-lockdown.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

  145. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    As two members of my family in Arizona are deemed essential workers, trucker and healthcare, I don’t see much change if Arizona shuts down as food and healthcare still have to be available.
    Feeling like Steve Towers, just standing on the corner in Arizona shuffling chairs around.

  146. Avatar Steve Towers says:

    Weird, all the celebrities who are suddenly testing positive, huh? It’s almost like they’re particularly vulnerable.

    Except, of course, they’re not.

    Because of the lack of testing in this country (we still rank on a per-capita basis just ahead of Vietnam, last I looked), we have almost no idea how many of us have COVID-19.

    But from what I gather, if you’re rich, famous, and/or well connected and there’s any hint you might have it, they test you. So for the sake of argument, let’s pretend that famous Americans are a large enough sample size in which testing has been systematic and intensive, relative to the rest of us, that we can get our best inference of the overall infection rate in America from them.

    An hour ago I read a list of celebrities who’ve tested positive. Of the Americans, I knew ~25 of them. Let’s say there are another ~25 who are asymptomatic or so mildly symptomatic that they don’t seek testing.

    Total: ~50 famous Americans I recognize who are infected.

    Published studies find that the average person (you & I) recognizes ~5,000 faces. About 500 of those are people we know personally. The rest are “famous people.” Another estimate is that 1 in 10,000 people in the general population are famous names that most would recognize.

    Let’s go with the conservative estimate: 25 American celebrities I know are infected (none are undiagnosed), and I recognize the names of ~10,000 celebrities.

    25 of 10,000 American celebrities is 0.25% infected.

    0.25% of 330,000,000 Americans is 835,000 infected.

    0.25% of 40,000,000 Californians is 100,000 infected.

    0.25% of 180,000 Shasta Co. residents is 450 infected.

    0.25% of 92,000 Reddingites is 230 infected.

    Use one or the other of the less conservative multipliers (50 or 5,000), and those estimates0f infected are twice as many. Use both of the less conservative multipliers, and they’re four times as many.

    Of course, this ignores how the disease moves through populations—the rates of infection are much higher in big cities, and lower in rural areas, for now. But I would bet money that the numbers of diagnosed—nation, state, and locally—are currently undercounting the numbers of infected by an order of magnitude or three.

  147. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Bring back the “Economy” on Easter Sunday he says! This is a must close the eyes video. Note to Doug…skip this one.

    https://twitter.com/JLCauvin/status/1242515702688485376

  148. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    Almost every month now it’s the same. I can’t wait for this month to be over.

  149. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    America today passed China and Italy to take the lead for the nation with most diagnosed COVID-19 infections, with over 82,000 to date.

    This is one of the few national achievements for which Trump Actually deserves a great deal of credit.

    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

  150. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    The NYT has posted an interactive model showing the benefits of continuing “social distancing” for different lengths of time. It appears we will have to hunker down for a few months, if we want to limit the fatalities and mass infections to ONLY disastrous levels.

    Looks like following Trump’s delusional vision of churches packed for Easter services could result in close to a hundred million total viral infections and perhaps ONE MILLION unnecessary American deaths:

    “Trump Wants to ‘Reopen America.’ Here’s What Happens if We Do.

    …President Trump says he wants the United States “raring to go” in two and a half weeks, on Easter, with “packed churches all over our country.” He and many other political conservatives suggest that we are responding to something like the flu with remedies that may be more devastating than the disease.

    We created this interactive model with epidemiologists to show why quickly returning to normal could be a historic mistake that would lead to an explosion of infections, hospitalizations and deaths.

    Instead, health experts advise giving current business closures and social distancing a month to slow the pandemic, buying time to roll out mass testing and equip doctors with protective equipment. Then, depending on where we are, we can think about easing up — while prepared for a new burst of infections that will then require a new clampdown.

    Play with this model below by moving the slider to change the length of time that controls are in effect, and you’ll see the impact on lives lost…”

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/25/opinion/coronavirus-trump-reopen-america.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=Opinion

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      “…“Trump Wants to ‘Reopen America.’ Here’s What Happens if We Do.”

      Let’s did deeper into what the president said, instead of the scary headlines. What he said was, “…“I’m not going to do anything rash or hastily — I don’t do that. But the country wants to get back to work.” He went on to say, “…“There’s big sections of our country that are very, you know little affected by what’s taking place, then there are other sections that are very heavily affected, I would say by Easter we’ll have a recommendation.” You make it sound like he will unilaterally make that decision…he will not. He will defer to the experts, which he has been doing.

      If Easter rolls around and the experts agree that we can start opening parts of the country back up…then it it makes sense to do so.

      • Avatar Candace says:

        Meanwhile hospitals on the front line who took an oath to do no harm are begging for respirators and protective gear for their patients, doctors, nurses etc. while our president plays “you’d better be nice to me”. I no longer harbor any reservations whatsoever regarding my being added to the list of “Trump haters” . Count me in. I can no longer stand to hear or see him. He’s a monster.

        • Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

          I completely agree. He is a monster.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          I watched about 5 minutes of Trump’s propaganda briefing today—it was all I could take.

          He was asked a question about militarizing the Canadian border.

          Trump responded by riffing on the cheap, illegal steel pouring across the Canadian border in order to avoid his tariffs. (Total bullshit—Canada has effectively prevented foreign from steel being shipped to Canada—which is exempt from the tariffs—and sold as Canadian.) He went on to talk about how he’s saved the American steel industry and how it’s now thriving. Following his tariffs, U.S. Steel went down 38% in 2019, BEFORE the crash. As domestic steel prices have plunged on fears of recession PRIOR to the crash, U.S. Steel closed two of its US blast furnaces.

          Everything he said was completely fabricated, and totally off-topic. It’s frightening, listening to how divorced from reality he is.

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

        Doug Cook,

        How disingenuous. Using that quote is tantamount to quoting Trump’s very brief condemnation of hate groups (under pressure) in relation to Charlottesville, while ignoring the fact that he backtracked on that statement the very next day by blaming counter protestors on the left for the mass violence committed by right-wing Trump supporters. Your quote above was almost immediately replaced by the claims below:

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newsworldpolitics/trump-touts-success-as-us-becomes-worlds-coronavirus-epicenter/ar-BB11Ma4k?ocid=spartandhp

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          My quotes were actual quotes of the president, you chose to include an op ed hit piece from a left wing Trump hater…and I’m being disengenious? His quotes weren’t replaced by your hit piece, they are just another example of the lefts desire to damage the president at every junction. It is despicable, especially at this time we should be pulling together as a nation. Steve calls me a broken record for continually bringing up the travel ban that had saved lives, I do that because you all have completely ignored an aggressive step that had saved thousands of lives…God forbid you give the president credit for that. Whereas your side would have gone the politically correct direction and be afraid to upset the Chinese. Look at the way you are sucking up to the propoganda the Chinese are putting out. Steve is starting to believe the virus started in Italy, perhaps from some bad lasagna. Not the wet markets of China that virtually every expert acknowledges, except for the Chinese propogandists. The increase of cases in NY are because of the incompetent Mayor and health commissioners encouraging residents to go out and be with people, to not be xenophobic and attend parades…not anything the president did.
          What do you care about opening the economy back up?You and I have been debating for years, you have admitted to me before that you are pretty much housebound, that you don’t get out much, do your lifestyle hasn’t changed much, has it? I know you are anti big business, so I’m sure you are reveling in these businesses suffering, despite what it is doing to the workers, me being one of them. I work, or used to work for one of these large companies, and am now furloughed. Are you happy my company is not making their ‘massive profits’? Are you pleased I have no work? So when the president tries to give us hope, tried to give encouragement to us that want to go back to work, you all call him a monster. I listened to his daily press conferences…Steve can’t be bothered to watch 5 minutes, Candace refuses to watch them, I listen and learn, I actually hear what he says for real and not just believing the left wing hit pieces. And I’m being disengenious. That’s a good one.

          • Avatar Candace says:

            Quite obviously it’s possible to listen, watch and read expert medical advice and updates from Dr. Fauci, et al without having to watch the morning Trump Show.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Doug Cook,

            My article also includes quotes from Trump. The difference is that mine are more recent. Trump ignored warnings from health officials for quite some time before doing anything at all but to self-servingly dismiss the threat as some minor illness that China had already contained.

            The following statement was made by Trump on January 24th, well after health officials began sounding the alarm:

            “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

            Trump took his sweet time doing anything – no matter how obvious the need – to address this horror, and is now backtracking on what little he’s been pressured to do. That anyone could continue to defend this demented sociopath is mind-boggling to me.

            Finally, I’m not as “housebound” as you like to imply (and what that has to do with anything I can’t imagine). The rest of your rant as to what I supposedly think about this crisis is totally baseless, and insulting as hell.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            “…Trump ignored warnings from health officials for quite some time before doing anything at all:

            How about an example of President Trump ignoring warnings? Back in the early part of the epidemic, not many were taking the virus that seriously. But what happened the day after W.H.O. declared the virus a global health emergency? The president on the same day blocks travel from China amidst criticism from the left.

            What I have done is gone back and look at the timeline of the virus spread, I looked at the opeds back then that downplayed the seriousness of the virus, the reaction of many politicians and disease experts. we were all guilty of downplaying the seriousness of it. I quoted the NYC health commissioner that in early February was encouraging residents to not be worried, to go to parades, go to bars and restaurants. Of course hindsight is 20-20. It is very easy to now be Monday morning quarterbacks and say we should have done this or that…what good does that do? There is plenty of time when this is over to reflect on what we should have done better, and I’m sure there is plenty there to criticize. But to put it all on the president? That he is 100% responsible? Nonsense…as Rahm Emmanuel once said, You never let a serious crisis go to waste. This is what you are all doing. Using the virus to damage the president.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            By the time WHO officially declared the coronavirus a global pandemic (affecting 114 countries – not just China) Trump had been getting urgent warnings from health officials for a good two months.

            And of course nothing changes the fact that he is now back to minimizing the danger – even in the face of the U.S. becoming the center of this pandemic, with hospitals all over the country overwhelmed, and refrigerated death wagons sitting outside their doors to store the vastly increasing number of bodies.

            He now claims that he and his nutty, incredibly unqualified staff can determine which areas of the country are safe to abandon restrictions, despite the fact that national and international health organizations and experts are warning him (in no uncertain terms) that NO parts of the country are safe.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Patrecia, you didn’t answer the question…what did President Trump ignore in the early stages of the virus? Let’s look at the timeline Patrecia, Trump did not get warnings months before the declaration of a global health emergency. China revealed the virus on December 29th, and they had no idea at the time what was causing the illnesses.” On 31 December 2019, China contacts the WHO and informs them of “cases of pneumonia of unknown etiology (unknown cause) detected in Wuhan” By the 6th of January, China still had no idea what was causing the flu like symptoms…what would you have had President Trump do in early January? What was he ignoring? Let’s move on…it wasn’t until the 20th of January that China discovered that the virus was human-to-human transmissible. On the 24th of January, WHO had an emergency meeting but was unable to reach a consensus—with one member stating that the vote was “50/50 even.”—on whether the outbreak should be classified as a global emergency. What should Trump have done then?
            In Asia, countries started to restrict travel towards the end of January, the US follows suit a few days later amidst much criticism from Trump’s detractors

            So tell me, Patrecia…what should Trump have done in early December? When no one knew what was going on, the Chinese government was being secretive, we had no idea the nature of the virus? What was he ignoring?

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            The article below provides a much more credible time line. Trump ignored high-level warnings beginning in early January, and continued to ignore them for months.

            https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/21/donald-trump-ignored-warnings-bad-coronavirus-get-two-months-ago-12434926/

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            What would you have wanted the president to do in early January? When the WHO. at the time couldn’t agree that the virus was a global emergency. You still haven’t explained what Trump was supposed to do that he didn’t do. Trump was widely criticized for the China travel ban late January…just think what the criticism would have been if he shut down businesses in early January…you think the Trump haters in early January would have gone along with shutting down the economy? So, come on Patrecia…what should Trump have done in early January to satisfy you?

          • Avatar Common Sense says:

            All he had to do is follow the playbook. Couldn’t even do that.

            https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285

  151. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    While the emphasis on here seems to point out that Trump wants to open the economy by Easter and how that is stupid, it needs to be mentioned that most governors, including California Governor Newsome and Arizona Governor Ducey have stated, basically, no way. They have acknowledged that the COVI epidemic will probably last at least until summer. There is hopeful optimism that the return of triple digits will essentially flatten the curve. What the experts are pushing for is the summer does pause the COVI than America needs to use that time to restock and prepare for return in Winter.
    As far as the economy we are in a recession and jobs will not return. With at least 9 Amazon employees infected even ordering online has it’s risk. Stores and Hospitals will be essential and the National Guard will be policing them. That has already been implied by several governors including Ducey.
    One thing that has happened down here is cross state transferring of funds has been suspended by many banks. Some sno birders stuck here may not have access to funds. My checks are automatically deposited and I can use my credit cards to get cash which many places are not taking ant more or to make purchases.
    Just standing on a corner in Arizona shuffling chairs and pleading for triple digits.

  152. Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

    There are many reasons for me to fear the COVID-19 virus. One of them is that, should I kick the bucket, my bride might sell my guitars for what I told her I paid for them.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      I’ve never been a toy collector, so no worries about what happens to my stuff should this cowboy get his wings (I watched “The Ballad of Buster Scruggs” last night).

      I’m tempted, though, to purge most of the unfinished documents on my laptop at the first hint of a fever. Many of them seemed like good ideas at the time, but in retrospect, I’d just as soon nobody ever puts eyes on them.

      • Avatar Linda Cooper says:

        Hey Steve Towers, your comment amused me about never being a “toy collector.” I recall about six months after the Carr Fire, there was some discussion on loss. On the Cafe here. I was impressed at the time that you took the politically not correct perspective (I won’t write balls or courage) of someone who might appreciate all their stuff being burned. I think you meant a relief of sorts. I would add, one doesn’t need to hire a moving company for the purpose of re-locating.

        As a Carr Fire person, who lost it all, I actually understood your view on the matter. Husband and I were blown out of a cannon (his words) and our “context” lost. With the Highway Patrol entering our home, and waking us up, I still had the presence of mind to grab the two, framed photos that were by the door on our way out. The last remnants of how we looked as four year olds. Those images are proudly displayed in new home.

        So, here we are in today time, and you write about being tempted to purge your “unfinished documents.” I’m in agreement with you, after almost two years past the fire. Really, I have the luxury of all my journals gone. My diaries over the many years. I no longer anticipate what history I would leave behind. There is no history to leave behind. Nobody will read my stuff. It’s actually liberating.

        So, yes, after continuing to adjust, this is one less worry on my mind. Life is ephemeral. Poof!

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          I’d forgotten that comment, and in your retrospective it seems like a sentiment that I should have kept to myself—but it’s truly how I feel. If our place burnt to the ground tomorrow I honestly can think of only a few material possessions that I’d miss.

          As an example, there’s a ceramic pot I threw in college that is one of the few things I’ve made by hand in my life that I’m overly proud of. Even more, my wife adores it—displaying it prominently—and has been tricked by it into thinking that I must possess a serious amount of latent artistic talent. I’d miss looking at that pot and thinking, “Damn….maybe she’s right….maybe I *did* have some talent.” Anyway, that’s not so much my fondness for the pot as it is my fondness for what my wife says when someone asks about it.

          I’d also miss a handful of other mementos that can’t be replaced—mostly related to our kids and grandkids—but much of what people think they treasure? It’s in boxes or on shelves, and we never look at it. Much of that stuff is even in our storage unit—a business that I regard as one of the great con jobs in the history of commerce. We have a storage unit full of boxes that my wife can’t throw away. After we pass, we’ll leave that unpleasant chore to our kids, I guess.

    • Avatar Candace says:

      Hal, Lol.

  153. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    So my wife informed me that we are down to our last 4 rolls of toilet paper…is it time to panic? Or is there hope?

  154. Avatar Candace says:

    I’d like to address the notion that some are espousing which is to suggest that those who are retired or unable to work for health reasons are somehow not affected by or caring about others who are laid off because of Covid-19. Many of us have children, grandchildren, etc. who have been laid off for several weeks or have had to shutter businesses or lay off employees and are hanging on for dear life hoping their small businesses will recover. Many at home who didn’t lose jobs and are on limited incomes are still choosing if possible to send money to help their loved ones. Many in my own family have been laid off, applied for unemployment benefits and are needing to rely on financial help from other family members, friends who are in a position to help however they’re able. It’s not ideal but ALL of them understand the importance of staying home and none of them feel that our president is offering a glimmer of hope when he trots out irresponsible “could be” dates of returning to work as early as Easter. These same people realize the importance of social distancing and are coping as best they can. Of course they want to get back to their jobs, reopen their businesses, etc, but they also realize the horror of this virus spread so they stay home and continue to listen to the health experts. Assumptions that those who’ve not lost jobs and are therefore not affected by this pandemic is exactly that, assumptions. I personally know of no one, left, right, middle, sideways, whatever, who is happy that anyone is out of work or that businesses large or small are either closing or laying off workers. That said, to those not doing so already, please, I’m begging you to listen to the medical experts and STAY HOME if you’re not required to go out for work. Finally, how ‘bout we stop making assumptions regarding the general population about who’s helping whom; it’s less than helpful.

  155. Avatar Candace says:

    *are * are exactly that…

  156. Avatar Miguel says:

    Instituting a new rule.
    All men must shave at least once during any three week interval of “shelter in place.” (and some of you might want to consider getting a jump ..) I know this is an imposition .. but consider the public good.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Funny you should say that…I shaved yesterday, the first time since I was furloughed last week to the absolute delight of my wife.

  157. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    I don’t think Trump is a “monster”.

    Trump always has been, and always will be, a pathetic clown.

    It was Trump’s supporters who, in order to loot the Nation for their own personal gain, conspired to weaponize his clownish incompetence and impotence, placed him in the presidency over the opposition of the American People, and left him there, even after the clear and present danger his regime posed to the Nation became undeniable, and his high crimes committed required conviction in the Senate and removal from office.

    If any should be regarded as the true “monsters” among us, it must be those enemies of the Republic.

    I should add that the NYT model I posted yesterday may actually be expected to underestimate the true toll in American COVID-19 infections and deaths as time passes. That is because it presupposed an effective national “shelter in place” program, and optimal utilization of medical resources.

    The trump regime has successfully (to date) retarded America’s defensive efforts, on both theses counts.

    The result being the exponential growth of confirmed infections from less than a hundred Americans when March began, to far over one-hundred-thousand infections by the time this month ends.

    Click on “US” on the top left and note the hockey stick shaped curve and the rapid increase in new daily infections, shown on the graph at the lower right:

    Ed Marek March 26, 2020 at 3:58 pm
    The NYT has posted an interactive model showing the benefits of continuing “social distancing” for different lengths of time…

    “…Play with this model below by moving the slider to change the length of time that controls are in effect, and you’ll see the impact on lives lost…”

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/25/opinion/coronavirus-trump-reopen-america.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=Opinion

    Reply

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      “…placed him in the presidency over the opposition of the American People”
      Last I looked, President Trump was duly elected and won the presidency fair and square. It was the American people that elected President Trump. The left is still unable to accept that fact

      • Avatar Gary Tull says:

        HRC won the popular vote by 2.87 million- “fair and square”, Doug.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          But yet…that is not how we elect a president, is it? It is fair and square. I’m quite certain that if Trump played by HRC’s rules, and foolishly went after the popular vote, the popular vote margin would have been much closer. But he didn’t, because that isn’t how we elect presidents.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Gary — In the minds of some, the Founders got it exactly right in every way—the U.S. Constitution is perfect. Of course, the Founders didn’t see it that way, which is why they made it amendable, and why it has been amended repeatedly.

          The history of the Electoral College is actually quite sordid. It was part of a package of compromises between the northern and southern states during the Constitutional Convention. In particular, the debate over how many electors to assign to each state was part of the same compromise that gave the southern states 3/5 personhood for each slave (40% of the South’s population; 60% of James Madison’s Virginia). The compromise gave Virginia 25% of the electoral votes required to win the presidency, and allowed the Constitution to be ratified. For the first 32 of the first 36 years of our country, a slave-holding Virginian was POTUS! The decision to establish Washington D.C. in the South, on the borer of Virginia and Maryland, was also part of the compromise to woo Virginia.

          In the minds of some (:::cough:::), the intention all along was to wisely give real estate a hedge against the will of the American people. But the fact is that some in the North accepted the electoral college compromise on the grounds that there needed to be a hedge against the uneducated rabble, who might fall for an authoritarian populist.

          And of course, it no longer functions that way at all—the EC doesn’t assemble and vote to overturn mistakes made by the voters. Trump is the proof—a populist authoritarian buffoon if there ever was. The EC survives as an historical artifact that serves only to make the votes of rural rubes weigh more. It serves the exact opposite of one of its original primary purposes.

          Arguing that it’s “fair and square” to win even though you lose the popular vote—solely on the basis of historical inertia—is like arguing that it’s fair that babies who die before accepting Jesus to go to Hell because that’s how it’s written. Same ridiculous logical fallacy—argument from authority.

          • Avatar Gary Tull says:

            Steve — Thank you. You did well in outlining the Electoral College’s sordid history. I learned a lot of detail in regard to the Constitutional Convention and it’s compromising parts between northern & southern states. My limited understanding had to do mostly with broad sparse rural areas between much more populated concentrations. Again, historical details I did not already know and for that, I am grateful.

            “The EC survives as an historical artifact that serves only to make the votes of rural rubes weigh more. It serves the exact opposite of one of its original primary purposes”. Yes, Absolutely!

            In the end I guess my question is why do EC practices in U. S. General Elections continue and why haven’t they been abolished by now. Especially after a glaring example of the loser getting nearly 3 million more popular votes than the proclaimed winner. There is nothing fair and square about any such practice.

            Anyhow, your knowledge and effort is always appreciated.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Ed — Don’t mind Doug. When you say “over the opposition of the American People,” he knows you’re talking about Trump losing the popular vote. He knows it was the electoral college that elected the buffoon—not the American People, who picked Clinton. But if you point out those indisputable facts, you’ll get a lecture on how you don’t understand the Constitution—it’ll be your mistake, not his.

      It’s always a game of whack-a-mole, deflection, obfuscation, moving the target….you name it. You can’t reasonably debate him, because there’s no “there” there.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        HRC made the determination that the rust belt would stay blue…so she ignored those states, she didn’t care to hear what concerned those states. The Electoral College system was designed to ensure that presidents would have to receive support from a diverse array of people around the country, not just population centers like California and NY. The Electoral College ensures that the interests of “flyover country” in middle America cannot be ignored. Trump appealed to and ultimately flipped states that had voted Democrat for many years because he appealed to them in ways that members of his party hadn’t in a long time, whereas Clinton dumped massive resources into places where she already had overwhelming support, in an effort to “win” the popular vote. She paid a price, within a well-known system, for taking key states for granted. Poor strategy, not an inherent flaw in the American election system, did in Clinton. Popular vote is utterly meaningless…and you think I am moving the target? The electoral college has been in place for 229 years…but because your candidate couldn’t figure it out, the system is flawed.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        It’s impossible to say that Trump would have lost if the election had been played out on the basis of winning the popular vote because it wasn’t conducted that way. Do we want a president who wins by running up the score in one or two states, or do we want a president who wins by garnering narrower victories in a wide array of states? I would prefer the latter…Steve apparently believes the former. Clinton won New York and California. Trump won Texas. And Florida. And North Carolina, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. The United States is a federal union of semi-sovereign states….Those states, not the Electoral College, were Clinton’s downfall. Clinton’s campaign is like a football team that piled up more total yards but couldn’t put the ball in the end zone. ..they couldn’t score. Kinda nice talking about something other than the virus.

        • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

          What a ridiculous and uninformed assessment of the purpose behind the electoral college (an antiquated compromise which was created before most of the country even existed).

          It doesn’t matter how many cows or prairie dogs occupy the places Trump won. What should matters are PEOPLE. As I’ve said before, the vote of a highly educated person in states like California should matter as much as the vote of some low-education, Confederate flag-waving white supremacist in the northern and southern bible belt states.

          The electoral college interferes with the basic right of every citizen to have their vote count. It didn’t even perform the one function it’s actually good for, which was to keep provably deranged, thoroughly immoral people like Trump out of the presidency.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Your dismissiveness of those people that live between the coasts is EXACTLY why the electoral college is needed. You calling those people ‘low-education, Confederate flag-waving white supremacist’ is as bigoted as you can get. Perhaps HRC had your same views which could explain why she ignored these states, and why she lost. How arrogant of you to believe that those that live on the coasts are somehow better than middle Americans. No wonder your side lost the election. I am absolutely blown away that you can make a statement as disturbing as that. Wow…

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            There are far more educated people in states like California (where voters had no say), and far more barely literate racists in the bible belt states (both north and south) who voted heavily for Trump. Those are proven facts. The greater a percentage of people who voted for Trump in a particular state, the less educated the general populace is.

            That’s not to say there are no educated people in those places, but – as a rule – they didn’t vote for Trump. Who in their right mind would, unless they’re wealthy?

            You’ll note that I didn’t say the dregs of humanity who make up Trump’s hard-core support base shouldn’t be allowed to vote (the world isn’t that perfect). I simply suggested that no one’s vote should be given more weight than anyone else’s.

            As I ‘ve pointed out before, Trump is one of only five presidents who didn’t get both the actual and electoral college votes in the entire history of the country. So the electoral college hasn’t gotten in the way of what’s right very often, but this time it failed big time.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Ed — Lecture on U.S. constitution—check. Straw-man version of what “Steve apparently believes”—check. Moving the goalposts—check. Countering head-on the point claiming the American people chose Trump is false—nope. See “Lecture on Constitution” above.

        Did I call it? Predictable as an atomic clock, and half as interesting.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Apparently, some of you do in fact need lectures on the Constitution. Sorry, Steve, your continual criticism of my comments are falling on deaf ears. I don”t care a whit about what you think of my posts. Whatever…move on.

  158. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    See link below, omitted from my previous post:

    “..The result being the exponential growth of confirmed infections from less than a hundred Americans when March began, to far over one-hundred-thousand infections by the time this month ends.

    Click on “US” on the top left and note the hockey stick shaped curve and the rapid increase in new daily infections, shown on the graph at the lower right:”

    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

  159. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    A helpful hint. Old CPAP machines are being retrofitted for use as ventilators. My wives CPAP already has an oxygen machine hooked up to it which she only uses when she sleeps but could put on anytime. I use a CPAP and when I was in Wyoming I too had an oxygen machine hookup but don’t need it here in Arizona. Hooking up to oxygen bottles to a CPAP only requires plastic tubing and a small connection installed in the main hose connection. It is not as good as a ventilator but better than nothing.
    And I have given up volunteering at the food banks as have many other elderly, hard choice but the right one. The National Guard has taken over the work of volunteers at the food bank and I did notice that they use the same latex gloves we volunteers did.
    Open by Easter, not a chance.

  160. Avatar Candace says:

    This just in from my daughter living in Chicago: “They’re projecting we’ll get 40,000 hospitalizations in chicago, not cases, hospitalizations, next week because of st Patrick’s day ppl not listening.”. Footnote: she texted me that weekend, furious that the manager on duty at the bar she bartends at was allowing the bar too fill at over-capacity and requiring her and others to work. The Governor closed the bars shortly thereafter. The only thing going for her is that she had the actual bar as a buffer, always wears gloves while she’s working and chose to immediately stay home im her apt. with her roommates. Due to this latest projection she’s frightened even more and of course so am I. So, again, if you’re wanting to help others with supplies, food, etc., that’s SO helpful but do it from the confines of your own home and have it delivered. If you’re not financially able to do that, stay home. Steve Towers is correct; while wanting to help is commendable, the least amount of people coming in contact with others is the goal. Call, write, text, email, face time, Zoom, purchase gift cards, Venmo, etc but STAY HOME. For the life of me I can’t figure out what’s not to get about that. If you do “get it” and are still choosing to thumb your nose at it then you’d better be ok with the fact that rather than helping someone you’re quite literally choosing to be ok with the distinct possibility that you’re killing them instead.

  161. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    Spousalese-to-English Translation for Extended COVID-19 Shelter-in-Place Communication

    No. 8: “We should…” = “You should…”

    No. 17: “What else is on? = “We’re not watching this crap.”

    No. 23: “I have to go to work for a bit.” = “I have to get out of here before I hurt one of us.”

    • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

      Heh. My wife and I have a high school classmate who posted this on Facebook.

      “I guess all this togetherness is hard on my husband. He told me today that I am more likely to die from strangulation than COVID-19.”

  162. Barbara Rice Barbara Rice says:

    A reminder here:

    It’s one thing to express your opinion. When you’re making unfettered digs and poisonous jabs at others, that’s when you’re crossing the line. That goes for everyone.

    Everyone is anxious, stressed, angry, and afraid. Don’t take it out here on other people.

  163. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    My weekly shave this PM (the beard went before last week’s trip) followed by weekly shopping trip to Redding Safeway.

    I was disappointing that, other than wearing gloves and giving away fresh bags, Safeway has done nothing to prevent virus transmission, and none of the checkers and very few of the shoppers were wearing face protection.

    I might have shopped at FoodMaxx instead, if I’d seen the Email below before I left:

    “Hi Edward,

    WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER

    Our stores are open for you every day and are taking additional measures to prevent the spread of COVID-19

    Please maintain a distance of at least 6 feet
    between yourself and others at all times

    Sneeze guards are being installed in FoodMaxx stores
    providing additional support for social distancing in the checkout lanes. ..”

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Holiday in Palo Cedro has installed sneeze guards at the checker stands. It’d be nice to see the checkers and people working in produce wearing PPE, and more shoppers as well, but I guess it’s not too surprising when PPE is still in short supply (especially masks that actually work).

      Most people in our Holiday are being respectful of personal space. There was the exception of two older couples having a conversation while blocking one of the aisles—one of the women going on and on about how this is all foretold in The Revelation.

  164. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Fools try to change the Truth so they don’t have to Adjust to the Truth.

    Never argue with a fool.

  165. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Bow to the King or no services for you! What’s next? We are not sending masks or ventilators to the Democratic States and counties that didn’t vote for me?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-trump-told-pence-not-to-call-washington-michigan-governors.html

    • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

      CS, if there was one ounce of truth to your post why is Arizona the worst in the nation for COVI supplies? Just asking a question.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Bruce — Trump himself said he told Pence not to contact governors who didn’t think he’s doing a great job, so if it’s not true, it’s just another of his lies.

        “And I tell him, I’m a different type of person, and I say, ’Mike, don’t call the governor of Washington. you’re wasting your time with him.’”

        Indeed, Commander Shinsplints. You are a different kind of person.

        • Avatar Gary Tull says:

          … “and the women in Michigan” — Governor Gretchen Whitmer.

        • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

          Steve, I asked if CS statement that Trump said not to send COVI equipment to Democrat states that did not vote for him than why was Arizona last in equipment received. No matter how it is twisted Arizona did not vote for Trump, my question is still not answered.

          • Avatar Common Sense says:

            Governor Cuomo has asked for 30,000 to 40,000 ventilators as well as additional facilities to help the people of New York, which is an epicenter for the virus. Trump, going to his favorite faux news host, Sean Hannity, disputed this. He continues to display his ignorance with such words as: “I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You know, you go into major hospitals sometimes, they have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they’re saying can we order 30,000 ventilators?”

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Bruce — Actually, CV presented the withholding of equipment as a future (“What’s next?”) hypothetical. He didn’t say it’s already being done, so there’s nothing to answer.

            Is that hypothetical far-fetched? He’s already told Pence not to call Democratic governors who don’t kow-tow to his administration. Withholding outreach and coordination is withholding executive branch services. So no, it’s not at all far-fetched.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          What was the next question asked of him Steve? The very next question was, “…You don’t want him to call the governor of Washington?” The president said, “…No, no. You know what I say? If they don’t treat you right, I don’t call. He’s a different type of person. He’ll call quietly anyway. Okay? But he’s done a great job. He should be appreciated for the job he’s done.”

          President Trump did not order Pence to not call these governors. He made the unhelpful comment that governors should be appreciative of federal help and the tireless efforts of VP Penc , and put the criticism aside. Pence continues to work with the states with federal help. The meme floating around stated that Trump said, they “have to treat me well” That was not true, what he actually said was, “…But, you know, it’s a two-way street. They have to treat us well also.” Although the meme was based on something Trump said, the wording and context it offers differs somewhat from what actually took place.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            The only thing the additional language clarifies is that Trump can’t follow a line of thinking for more than about 15 seconds.

            The plain meaning of “…No, no. You know what I say? If they don’t treat you right, I don’t call,“ and “…But, you know, it’s a two-way street. They have to treat us well also” is that cooperation by his administration hinges on kissing his ring. If you refuse, he’s threatening to withhold outreach and cooperation.

            “They have to treat us well also.”

            Or what? Jesus God, what a thin-skinned, me-first @$$hole.

          • Avatar Candace says:

            “unhelpful comment” LOL

      • Avatar Gary Tull says:

        Bruce — You are denying something he pronounced on national TV. Where exactly does such constant defensive loyalty to trump come from with you? Just asking a question.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Because that wasn’t what he pronounced on TV…that was YOUR interpretation of what he said. A mistaken interpretation. Read my reply to Steve on what the president actually said…from actual transcripts. Not Trump haters interpretation of what he said.

  166. Avatar Kathryn McDonald says:

    Just saw in the Searchlight that FEMA is going to create an overflow hospital at the Civic Center or Shasta College to serve 13 counties north of Sacramento.

  167. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    According to Trump, states with governors who don’t “appreciate” him won’t be given any federal help in getting life-saving medical supplies and equipment. And in fact the governor of Michigan (a Trump critic) says that vendors are refusing to ship medical equipment to her state because they’ve been ordered not to do so, with every indication those orders are coming from the Trump administration.

    So in other words, governors who don’t bow and scrape to this demented loon risk having their citizens die en masse.

    I’d like to see the resident Trump toady try and defend this despicable action.

    • Avatar Common Sense says:

      Patrecia, that appears to be the case. A “time to get even” approach that may end up being one of the many charges he faces next year if he is not re elected. We have to remember his Pathology when we talk about his actions. He is a Malignant Narcissist and probably a Sociopath. So with that in mind there is no guilt or empathy or compassion. Hey, if the people in those states die……he doesn’t really care is the attitude and follows the Pathology’s to a T.

      With that in mind….what does it say when a person over and over and over defends him and his actions? Let us think about that one shall we. What does it mean when the Vice President could have done or said something anywhere along the way and did Nothing? An Accomplice or a syc·o·phant or both?

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Patrecia, I can defend it because it is not true, That is not what Trump said…and I agree that it was unhelpful, If you read my post above…you will see that Trump did NOT say that states would not receive federal aid. Sometimes.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Patrecia — What Trump said was that he’d told Pence not to contact Democratic governors who failed to appreciate his efforts. That’s not exactly a threat to withhold federal assistance—but it is a chilling statement that his administration’s outreach should depend on fealty.

      Imagine the howls of GOP indignation if a Democratic POTUS explicitly suggested that Republican governors should scrape and bow if they want the attention from the executive branch in a time of crisis, or expect to be ignored.

      The man is an abomination.

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

        Trump admitted he told his staff not to return calls from governors who are asking for federal help in accessing desperately needed medical equipment unless they “appreciate” him. That is a BLATANT refusal of help, unless they start praising this demented bully.

        And no Democratic president would ever do such a thing.

  168. Avatar Common Sense says:

    In times like these remember to take your Medical Advise from Scientists and Doctors, not this Administration. Remember It was Trump that stared at the Eclipse without Protective Eyewear!

  169. Avatar Common Sense says:

    This is a President that didn’t listen to our Nations Intelligence Community in January and now has called A- Rod for some advice on how to handle this Virus Situation? I guess those SCIENTISTS must be pretty dumb or something?

    Anyone that defends this Clown at this stage of the game, really doesn’t understand just how foolish it makes you look!

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-called-ex-yankees-player-alex-rodriguez-for-coronavirus-advice-2020-3

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      “So Alex, I was wondering…do you think steroids might cure this thing? Some people are saying you had some good results—hit a lot of home runs, never got the Chinese virus. Also, what’s your opinion on having opening day on Easter Sunday, with mandatory attendance—biggest crowds ever! Next to my inauguration, of course.

      Anyway, everything is going great, and people are saying my leadership has been the best in the world—that’s what the people around me are saying. As I’ve said from the beginning, this is going to get big, but nobody famous is going to die so there’s no reason to panic. The media hate me and want me to fail, but have you seen my poll numbers? Already highest of any President ever, and going up!

      But we’ll see what happens. I have a tee time—gotta go. Say hello to J-Lo. Man, I’d love hoover a few lines of Adderall and tap that….”

  170. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Fake QR Generators Stealing Bitcoin from unsuspecting Coin holders.

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/network-of-fake-qr-code-generators-will-steal-your-bitcoin/

  171. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    California, no majority black votes. Texas, no majority black votes. New York, no majority black votes. Even Florida no majority black votes.
    The minority states that make up the Electoral College, like South Carolina that voted for Biden, are where the majority of black votes are. So those who want to abolish the Electoral College want to deny black people the right to vote. Nothing has changed in 400 years, Malcom X spoke the truth.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Bruce — It’s the red-state South where efforts to disenfranchise black voters has escalated in the past decade, usually under the fake pretense of stemming (virtually non-existent) voter fraud. Those efforts are so clearly intended to keep poor black Americans from voting—or to marginalize their votes—that Southern states have been repeatedly slapped down by the federal courts, and at least one was forced to reverse its extreme gerrymandering.

      I absolutely don’t follow how abolishing the electoral college would deny black people the right to vote. Were presidential elections decided on popular vote alone, every single vote in every state would count. It wouldn’t be “winner takes all” anywhere in America. It would be impossible to marginalize anyone.

      You and Malcom X are right about one thing: The struggle is real. And the struggle continues. White conservatives continue in their efforts to disenfranchise black voters, and now they’re going to be supported in those efforts by the conservative majority Supreme Court, which is now sending the clear message: “States, you can do whatever the hell you want.” In it’s most recent decision on the matter, the SCOTUS ignored precedent and barred future court challenges to racial gerrymandering, on a 5-4 vote.

      Many view the “ignoring precedent” aspect of the decision as unprecedented, throwing overboard 200+ years of judicial prudence on such matters.

    • Avatar Miguel says:

      Bruce, buddy .. didn’t make any sense at all. Trying to set up the Electoral College as some sort of bulwark serving minority representation (“black votes”) … Is just … Is just …

      Bruce, buddy .. we all know you to be better than this. Whatever publication or service this idea came from .. you need to cancel your subscription .. right now!

      • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

        Miguel, I voiced an opinion like everybody else on here does. I have always defended the Electoral College as it gives the small states a voice. Like I have always said the Democrats lose and instead of fielding a better team they want to change the rules.

        • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

          Those “rules” should have been changed long ago. No one should be disenfranchised in electing a president just to give others an out-sized voice. One person, one vote.

          The electoral college hasn’t been much of a problem up to the last presidential election, since Trump was one of only five presidents in the entire history of the country who didn’t get BOTH the popular vote and the electoral college vote. This time around it failed in the one thing it’s good for – to exercise it’s authority to keep an overwhelmingly mentally and morally unfit person out of the office of the president.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Patrecia — It’s not even any good for that purpose. Thirty-two (32) states have “faithless elector” state laws prohibiting electoral college representatives from voting other than as pledged. It’ll be a cold day in hell when the electoral college throws out the result of an election.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            And I suspect all those states are Republican-controlled. There should be no such things as faithless elector laws. Of course the electors themselves will go if anyone ever has the guts to eliminate the antiquated electoral college.

        • Avatar Miguel says:

          Bruce. I’m not real ardent on the Electoral College one way or the other. (although the idea that we can, or will, do away with it any time soon is fantasy in my opinion). Where I take issue with you and your post is the stunning contortion involved in trying to make it (or perceived Democratic “opposition” to it) into an effort to disenfranchise black votes. Voter suppression is a real issue (and in my opinion, thoroughly unpatriotic) .. but, in the last generation at least, those actions are coming almost entirely from the OTHER side of the aisle. And trying to package it otherwise, with some muddled and convoluted theory involving the EC, is … Truly head spinning!

          You’re entitled to your opinion, Bruce. But, as I tried to warn you off up above .. THIS one doesn’t serve you well at all!

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Bruce — (1) The EC doesn’t empower small states. It empowers an approximate half-dozen swing states, none of which are small.

          (2) Regardless, why should the vote of someone who chooses to live in North Dakota or Wyoming count more than my vote?

          (3) You really need to understand that people are reacting as they are to your post because it’s Repubs who are still working hard to disenfranchise black voters, and your claim that it’s the Demos using the EC needs to be explained, or it has to be viewed as absurd.

    • Avatar Gary Tull says:

      Bruce — I’m still trying to make sense of your previous comment.

  172. Avatar Common Sense says:

    It’s just too expensive this administration has determined…..people will die. Sorry Grandma….with the tax cuts awhile back we just can’t do it now!

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/donald-trump-coronavirus-ventilators

  173. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    With all the concern on the COVI there is still, and always has been, concern over the meth addiction.
    The future of America is more Winter’s Bone than The Andromeda Strain.
    If one doesn’t get us the other will.

  174. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    It was extremely disturbing to see so few people at the Safeway in Redding yesterday taking one of the simplest and most effective precautions to both protect others, and prevent their own COVD-19 infection.

    WEAR PROTECTION!

    A PARTICULATE MASK IF YOU HAVE IT, A CLOTH MASK OR BANDANNA IF YOU DON’T!

    “Simple DIY masks could help flatten the curve. We should all wear them in public.

    Got a T-shirt? You can make a mask at home.

    When historians tally up the many missteps policymakers have made in response to the coronavirus pandemic, the senseless and unscientific push for the general public to avoid wearing masks should be near the top.

    The evidence not only fails to support the push, it also contradicts it. It can take a while for official recommendations to catch up with scientific thinking. In this case, such delays might be deadly and economically disastrous. It’s time to make masks a key part of our fight to contain, then defeat, this pandemic. Masks effective at “flattening the curve” can be made at home with nothing more than a T-shirt and a pair of scissors. We should all wear masks —store-bought or homemade — whenever we’re out in public.

    At the height of the HIV crisis, authorities did not tell people to put away condoms. As fatalities from car crashes mounted, no one recommended avoiding seat belts. Yet in a global respiratory pandemic, people who should know better are discouraging Americans from using respiratory protection…”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/03/28/masks-all-coronavirus/

  175. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    And in yet ANOTHER self-serving Trump outrage – he is now demanding to have his signature appear on all the stimulus checks (free campaign advertising). Those type of checks are always signed by an employee of the Treasury Department.

    Spineless, no-integrity Republican legislators can rarely bring themselves to say “no” to Trump. I hope they don’t give in to him on this unconstitutional demand.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      “…he is now demanding to have his signature appear on all the stimulus checks ”

      sez who? As I have not heard this before, I spent a little time researching the claim… No sources corroborate the story. “…Mr. Trump has told people he wants his signature to appear on the direct payment checks”. That is the extent of the sourcing for the story. Of course, you have to embellish and say that he is ‘demanding’ to be on the checks. From what do you surmise that from? Oh yeah, it was on the internet, so it must be true.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      That Der Pumpkinführer wants his signature on the stimulus checks is widely reported, including by that rabidly liberal anti-Trump fish-wrap, The Wall Street Journal. Trump is the head of the Executive Branch, so if he want’s to break with tradition and tell the Treasury Department to make his signature happen, it’s going to happen.

      We’ll find out soon enough he follows through on this masturbatory ego-trip—there’s always a chance that he’ll be talked down. But to react with faux outrage—as if the report allegedly originating from White House insiders is a far-fetched hoax that’s entirely counter to Trump’s personality and past—that’s a f***ing laugh riot.

  176. Avatar Ed Marek says:

    It took one month for the first 1,000 COVID-19 deaths to occur in the USA, and just 2 1/2 days for the second 1,000 deaths. Soon, 1,000 Americans will probably die in just that one day from COVID-19. And in a few weeks, it may seem a distant dream that that 1,000-per-day death rate had been so low, so recently.

    Only slowly is it dawning on many Americans the immensity of this disaster, and that this huge loss of lives was largely avoidable, but for the total and abject failure of our national leadership.

    ‘The missing six weeks: how Trump failed the biggest test of his life

    The president was aware of the danger from the coronavirus – but a lack of leadership has created an emergency of epic proportions

    “The US response will be studied for generations as a textbook example of a disastrous, failed effort,” Ron Klain, who spearheaded the fight against Ebola in 2014, told a Georgetown university panel recently. “What’s happened in Washington has been a fiasco of incredible proportions.”

    …Jeremy Konyndyk, who led the US government’s response to international disasters at USAid from 2013 to 2017, frames the past six weeks in strikingly similar terms. He told the Guardian: “We are witnessing in the United States one of the greatest failures of basic governance and basic leadership in modern times.”

    In Konyndyk’s analysis, the White House had all the information it needed by the end of January to act decisively. Instead, Trump repeatedly played down the severity of the threat, blaming China for what he called the “Chinese virus” and insisting falsely that his partial travel bans on China and Europe were all it would take to contain the crisis…’

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/28/trump-coronavirus-politics-us-health-disaster

  177. Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

    I have to laugh at Doug’s interpretation of what trump “really” says.
    No where in Doug’s quotes concerning what he says are the fragmented sentences, his incoherence of subject matter, nouns and verbs being brutally abused, and of course his senseless name calling and berating.

    Come on Doug, at least complete his sentences for us.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      “…Come on Doug, at least complete his sentences for us.”

      Give me time, I’m too busy trying to figure out what Biden says every time he opens his mouth.

  178. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    I knew Trump was unfit to be president leading up to 2016 that is why I did not vote for him. I wrote in Mitt Romney. Why has it taken almost four years for the left to realize what I knew then?
    Of course voting against Trump in Wyoming had the same effect as voting against him in Shasta County.

    • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

      People who “wrote in” ANYONE are at least partially responsible for electing Trump.

      • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

        No, it was not the people who wrote in a candidate or voted for a third party candidate, of which there were a few, that partially elected Trump. Some of those third party candidates knew they wouldn’t win but if they captured enough votes than their party would be eligible to be listed on the ballot of future elections. It was the Democrats who were so overconfident or who were Sanders backers that they didn’t vote that elected Trump. And many of those Democratic voters that couldn’t be bothered with voting are complaining about the outcome.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Because of the electoral college, it only matters if you live in a swing state. If you live in a state where the outcome is a lock, like California, it only matters in that his popular vote “mandate” is increased or decreased in accordance with third-party and write-in votes.

        Bottom line: Trump lost the popular vote by a lot. He wasn’t the choice of the people.

        • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

          The Democratic party was fractured leading up to the 2016 election and they are still fractured. The difference is that in 2016 they were running against a Trump that was unknown. Now, no matter who the Democrat candidate is they are united against Trump.
          My prediction is that Trump will lose and after that the Democrats will return to their infighting and be fractured again. This could lead to the Republicans taking back the House and keeping the Senate.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          What would have happened if Trump campaigned for the popular vote? Change the incentives and you change the outcomes. If the 2016 election had been decided by popular vote, then the popular vote would not have been the same as it was in the actual election. The obvious rationale for the claim
          that Clinton would have won if the election had been decided by the popular
          vote is that she certainly got more votes than Trump, and getting more votes
          wins you the popular vote. The equally obvious rebuttal is that many people would certainly not have voted the same way if the election had been decided by popular vote.

          Knowing that the election was being decided by popular vote, not by the electoral college system, many people would have voted differently, including some people who would have voted for Trump instead of not voting at all. There’s all the difference in the world between “winning the popular vote” in a system where no one who matters gives a flying freak about the popular vote, and winning the popular vote in a system where the popular vote is the all-important decider. The campaign would have been unrecognizable compared with what actually occurred.

          It’s like saying the football team that has more yardage, wins the game…or the chess player that “won” because he captured more pieces than his opponent. This is just not the way chess games are scored. And if it were the way chess games and football games were scored, then players and teams would have played very differently.

          Trump won the 2016 election largely by superior strategy. He campaigned heavily in rust-belt states He continually pounded away at
          a dozen key policy issues, whereas Clinton avoided talk about policy in favor
          of painting Trump as an evil monster.

          My contention is that under a popular-vote system, the campaign
          would have played out very differently. No doubt both Trump and Clinton would have spent a lot of time in California, New York, and Illinois, places where, in the actual campaign, they did next to nothing. Voter turnout in California, New York, and Illinois would have been higher…and the increased turnout would have been higher among Trump voters than Clinton voters. Trump would have won the popular vote, probably by a bigger margin than he actually won the electoral college vote. The moral of the story is, be careful what you wish for.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Doug Cook,

            What bunk. If the Democrats hadn’t been so complacent and had attacked the polls with the same fervor that white supremacists and bible-banging fundamentalists did, Clinton would likely have won by an even greater margin – including in swing states.

            And of course the polls all predicted that Clinton would win by a landslide, and most decent people couldn’t fathom that an obviously deranged worst-of-the-worst criminal could win the presidency anyway. As a consequence too many Democrats just sat that one out.

            On the other hand white nationalists and white “evangelicals” (basically one and the same) were highly motivated, and heavily organized by their church leaders from the pulpit. Redding’s Bethel Mega-Church is a prime example of that.

            However, the complacency is over, as the results of elections since have proven. Republicans not only lost an entire branch of government in the mid-terms, but have lost seat after seat in elections around the country since.

            Finally, Biden is a sterling example of clear-headedness and sanity, compared to Trump. Trump can’t open his stupid mouth without lies and delusions just pouring out.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            “…Biden is a sterling example of clear-headedness and sanity,”

            That is so amusing of a statement. Biden can’t put a cogent sentence together. Hardly anyone disagrees with the fact that Biden has lost a step or two and his mental acuity is is questionable. My 89 year old mother in law is in the early stages of dementia and I can see the similarities with her mental acuity and Biden’s. Deliberately casting a vote for someone clearly suffering from dementia, or turning a blind eye to it, or being simply unaware of Biden’s mental state are inexcusable.
            Back in 2018, President Trump took the Montreal Cognitive Assessment screening test. The test is meant to screen people for dementia or mild cognitive impairment. Would you be in favor of Biden taking this test? If he aces it like Trump did, I will take back what I said about his possible dementia. If he doesn’t ace it…what will the Democrats do? Wouldn’t it be hypocritical to criticize Trump’s mental acuity, but ignore Biden’s? Biden is floundering right now with his unscripted interviews. I have a feeling Obama will intervene and talk Biden into dropping out. Especially now that Cuomo is becoming the new face of the Democrats.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Doug Cook,

            There is absolutely no evidence that Biden is suffering from dementia (your untrained opinion aside).

            Do we have entire national associations of mental health professionals and others all over the country warning us that Biden is a severely mentally ill, delusional sociopath, as they did with Trump during his campaign? (based on his thousands of demented tweets, blatant delusions, and other deranged statements and actions).

            How do you explain Trump’s endless lies, and his clear (and frequent) departures from reality? His open incitements to violence? His repeated rabid defense of violent hate groups? Nothing that Biden has ever said or done can hold a candle to any of this.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Anyone who posesses a thimble-full of objectivity would agree:

            1. Biden has always been somewhat subject to the occasional speaking gaffe. He’s not a masterful orator. He has a folksy style reminiscent of that of George W. Bush. For both Biden and Bush II, that speaking style is no reason to either overestimate or underestimate their intelligence. They’re awkward speakers…as Doug and I have said of ourselves.

            2. Trump’s stream-of-consciousness word salads, his inability to hold a thought for a full sentence, and his repeated breaks with consensus reality strongly suggest some sort of organic brain disorder, and possible confirmation of reported Adderall abuse. Couple that with perhaps the worst narcissistic personality disorder this side of O.J. Simpson, and you have a man wholly unfit to be POTUS.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            As I said earlier, what’s wrong with having Biden take the Montreal Cognitive Assessment screening test? If he passes it…good for him, and it shouldn’t be an issue. If he doesn’t do well, then it is a discussion America should have. These latest interviews and statements from him is more than gaffes.

            “…And of course we did not have an entire national associations of mental health professionals warning us that Trump is severely mentally ill.”

            That is nothing but more of Patrecia’s embellishment. Patrecia thinks the American Psychological Association as an organization declared the president mentally ill. This is what the organization actually said, by APA President, Susan H. McDaniel, “our ethical code states that psychologists should not offer a diagnosis in the media of a living public figure they have not examined.” Your continual habit of exaggerations and hyperbole never helps your argument.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Sure, Doug. Biden should have to take a test, but no mention of the guy who appears to have mental health issues on about three different axes.

            I don’t have any problem with both candidates taking a battery of mental health and neurological tests and having the results made public. In addition to the general mental health and neurological batteries, I would throw in a treponemal-specific test for third-stage syphilis.

            The problem is, all of Trumps supporters—including you, Doug—would immediately label his nightmarish test results a hoax. You wear your rabid bias on your sleeve. A great example is right here, where you propose only testing Biden—an enormous WTF.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            In my post, I mentioned that Trump took the test in 2018, and aced it. Try to keep up, Steve.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Doug Cook,

            As I sure you know, a big chunk of the membership broke their code because they felt so strongly about warning the public that Trump is dangerously mentally ill and delusional before it was too late.

            Unfortunately the electoral college and all of Trump’s white supremacist and fanatically religious supporters didn’t care. More than a thousand mental health professionals were ignored.

            And before Biden takes any tests that aren’t called for, Trump needs to be examined by a panel of independent psychiatrists. Of course he’ll craftily be his best behavior, so he needs to be asked to explain/justify some of the many delusional and dangerous statements he’s made.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            This may be hard to believe, Doug, but I don’t read all of your posts. I was responding to your previous post, not to the last 20. I’ll keep up to the extent that I feel like it.

            Yes, Trump apparently took a 30-question version of a cognitive screening test, administered by the White House physician, who reported that Trump aced it. Is that an objective assessment? Or is the White House physician just another @$$-kisser who knows how to keep his job.

            They guy who created the test now says he has growing concerns about the validity of the test’s results—and possible liability—and has pressed for mandatory certification to make sure the results aren’t completely bogus. Those concerns were voiced shortly after Trump’s alleged results became public.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          I’ll give Doug this: He has a rich and varied fantasy life.

    • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

      It was the Bernie supporters who also were “never Hillary “ advocates that put trump in office.
      70,000 votes was the difference.

  179. Avatar Chris Solberg says:

    A friend of mine was in the ICU in Santa Rosa with Coronavirus recently described it as “lungs on fire” and prayed to God on two occasions so miserable thinking he was at deaths door which he was.

    They gave him the drug in this exciting article and when he finally got a few moments of sleep he woke up as “If nothing happened.”

    The doctors said in the future he will probably have lung problems

    He is now in a forced quarantined motel room. Also he has received a letter from hospital requesting his antibodies.

    Im sure you will be hearing much more about this exciting treatment for Coronavirus 🙂

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/03/28/experimental-coronavirus-drug-remdesivir-trump-lauded-again-available/2934583001/

  180. Avatar Chris Solberg says:

    And so the great and powerful “profit” Prez Trump will be right about the drug he called out days ago and also have “Church’s filled by Easter” on information he had from the very VERY beginning …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4wdbibV3IM

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Churches filled on Easter Sunday? I’ll take that bet.

      At this point there is no evidence one way or the other available to Trump, the drug’s makers, or anyone else that Remdesivir works, or even that it’s safe—even the company that makes it says so. And you can bet that the Trump administration green-flagged its wider availability solely because Trump mentioned it by name. Regardless of how effective social distancing and other measures turn out to be, Trump will give the credit to the drug and himself, and Chump Nation will believe it. Write that down.

      • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

        Actually churches are filling up, online. They have found they do not need big behemoth expensive cathedrals anymore. They can rent a space and broadcast their services on line like the mega churches do on TV. When I worked at SLC on Sundays, Destiny Church which rented a room to store their equipment would perform on the stage. With the internet churches preach on line to a congregation sitting at home and mailing in tithes.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          As a stop-gap measure, yeah, but it won’t last. There’s a vibe you only get with a crowd—it’s the difference between seeing your favorite musical act live (often transcendent) and listening to a live album (usually underwhelming). Especially with the charismatic churches, the shared experience with the crowd is a huge part of the ecstatic high.

          I watched “Real Time with Bill Maher” about 10 days ago—his first show this season without a live audience. He tried to plow through his usual stand-up at the beginning of the show, and after about 3 minutes said, “We’re not doing this next week.” (And he didn’t.) John Oliver fared a little better just doing a funny/serious monologue behind a desk and in front of a white backdrop.

          • Avatar Gary Tull says:

            Todd Snider did a live stream show this morning from The Purple Building in Nashville -with no audience. His first song (appropriately) was “Is This Thing Working”. Around the third song he mentioned, “I’m not sure this works” but, a bit later he seemed to pick up ambiance with a piece from one of his earlier recordings (Peace Queer) and then a Chris Kristofferson peace, “Sunday Morning.”
            At the end he said, “I’ll be back next Sunday with guests.”

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Todd is a national treasure. Yesterday I listened to a previous in-studio performance of his. “I’m an Alright Guy” especially lifted my mood.

          • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

            Steve, comparing church services with sporting or musical groups is like apples and oranges. Most of the church crowd are elderly, and give the most donations, it is hard for them to attend live services. They want personal contact with a minister and will not get that at a mega church so they go to a small local church during the week for nighttime service and on Sunday watch the mega churches on TV, now the internet.
            When I volunteered at Cheyenne Frontier Days there was a “Party Zone” on the ground next to the stage where the rowdy crowd gathered. Security all wore straw cowboy hats that would mingle and when there was a problem all the hats would converge on the spot. I was in the stands actually practicing “Social Distancing” to keep aisles free and spectators from sitting on the rails and blocking the view of the elderly.
            I agree though that watching Zac Brown or Brad Paisley in person is better than listening to their records. When Herman’s Hermits played SLC I got to interact with the band members and that was neat.

          • Avatar Steve Towers says:

            Bruce — Comparing old-school protestant churches with the new evangelical mega-churches is like comparing apples and oranges. The older mainstream Protestant churches are full of oldsters, are sparsely attended, and many of seem doomed in the long run. The youngsters flock to the big charismatic mega-churches.

            Watch a video of a Bethel service, and you’ll see—that’s where the young people are. The “worship music” has a bombastic pop-rock sound, the message is Prosperity Now!!!, and the ministers wear bluejeans and Untuckit shirts and try to come off as hip. All of my relatives in the Denver area—except for the elders—have made the jump from their old Baptist and Presbyterian churches to the charismatic evangelical prosperity gospel mega-churches.

  181. Avatar Common Sense says:

    When Conspiracy Theories have the potential to Kill! You can’t fix Stupid!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/technology/coronavirus-fauci-trump-conspiracy-target.html

  182. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    Regrettably, spelling errors can’t be corrected on this thread. :~)

  183. Avatar Common Sense says:

    So why exactly are we so short on Emergency Supplies, masks,ventilators,gloves etc etc?

    I guess because they sent 17 tons to China on the 7th of this month.

    Nothing wrong with helping out other Countries but not getting our stock built back up and then adding to it by enacting the Defense Production Act…..it’s going to allow many more deaths in our Country.

    Sorry California….you got all the Used and Broken Ventilators! Remember….you guys didn’t vote for me!

    Thank God we have a real Leader in California.

    https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1225836989393534976

  184. Avatar Common Sense says:

    One with any Critical Thinking Skills might be asking….why would the President Block Oversight on where the $2 Trillion Dollars is Specifically going? What could possibly go wrong with the President in charge of dolling it out?

    https://www.salon.com/2020/03/28/trump-undercuts-oversight-for-coronavirus-bailouts-with-controversial-signing-statement_partner/

    • Avatar Gary Tull says:

      Ugh! So in addition to him wanting his signature printed on relief checks, he is rejecting Federal oversight in the dispersal of TWO TRILLIAN $!

      This is beginning to smell bad -like a family of rats looking to take total control over a Swiss & Gouda cheese Distribution Center… and all of it’s holdings.

      Trump wouldn’t partake in skimming federal money for personal gain would he?
      My gut says yes indeed he would if he thought he could pull it off.

  185. Avatar Linda Cooper says:

    I watched the entire Trump reality show today for 90 minutes. I have made a commitment to not do that again, and just wait for the “reviews” instead. It’s too hard to watch.

    This show began with Trump announcing that thousands of masks were missing. He could have said millions, I can’t recall. He further suggested that this was something the journalists should “look into.” My stomach did a flip about a president abdicating responsibility, when he has the availability of the FBI, etc. at his disposal. Especially during these times.

    My other personal favorite was when he mentioned that during his first week in office, a general came to see him, and said the military had no ammunition. I forget the context, because it’s hard to follow Trump. But maybe that’s just me? I find it a challenge to think of the military not having ammunition. You may quote me, because I was taking notes. The name of the general was not provided. However, I think Trump’s point was that he fixed this problem. That man is going to need a sling soon for his arm, because he pats himself on the back so much. I won’t mention what else I think he needs, because…

    After listening to the show, and receiving an email filled with right-wing jokes from my brother-in-law, I decided to do some self-care. I made fresh squeezed orange and lemon juice. Next I added a shot of vodka.

  186. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    While you all are fixated on Trump a person who is trusted by millions of followers has stated COVI is a message from God, Dolly Parton.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      I like Dolly, so to be fair: Her message was that God wants us to learn from this pandemic to be nicer and more helpful to one another. Whether or not you accept the God part of that, it’s a sweet, positive, reassuring message from a sweet lady.

      Far from, “This is their latest hoax-sssssss!”

      Oh, and what was on Trump’s mind yesterday? In the afternoon, he tweeted that his daily COVID-19 briefings were getting really great ratings…on par with those of “The Bachelor.” He also tweeted that Harry and Meghan had moved to L.A., and we weren’t going to provide security for free. “They must pay!”

      You can’t make this shit up.

      • Avatar Linda Cooper says:

        Yeah, I googled the Dolly thing and I got the same meaning as you did. Didn’t sound like a day of punishment thing at all.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Nope. I didn’t take Bruce to mean that Dolly was suggesting divine retribution for our sins—I’ve never heard she’s a member of Westboro Baptist Church—but he didn’t provide much context, so it could have been taken that way.

          Bruce did say “message from God” (not “punishment from God”), and message is consistent with Dolly’s fuller statement. I didn’t mean to say Bruce was misrepresenting her.

          • Avatar Lindsa Cooper says:

            Thank you for the clarity. Guess I was indeed rushing to judgement. Meanwhile, I look forward to Bruce explaining his intention for the post.

          • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

            Linda, my intention for posting about Parton was that, which I thought I made clear, was while everyone seem to focus on Trump’s messages someone trusted by millions said COVI was a message from God and that would do more damage than Trump. But I have come to realize that most posters on here only want to hear about Trump.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Bruce — Linda and I were interested enough in what Dolly had to say to chase it down—that’s more interest than quite a lot of my posts elicit.

            Google “Trump COVID-19” and you get 255,000 results.

            Google “Parton COVID-19 ” and you get 33 results.

            Rest easy, Bruce. There’s no way on God’s green earth anything Dolly has to say will do more damage than a voiced Trump hallucination.

  187. Avatar Common Sense says:

    America’s real Deficit, Critical Thinking Skills! This is just one example of why this whole Virus thing is now projected to have up to 200k deaths in the U.S! Choices like this will ensure that number is hit.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/us/politics/coronavirus-liberty-university-falwell.html

    • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

      CS, why don’t you report the whole story. Liberty University has claimed the NY Times article is false. That four students were quarantined because they came from a hot spot as a precaution.

    • Avatar Linda Cooper says:

      Well, it’s an amazing thing when (some churchgoers all over the world) ignore physical distancing. This time, and in the case of Liberty University, they have been so self-loathing regarding COVID-19, that it will hit their own communities first, before anyone else’s. This is preventable. I do hope Bruce is right, and that Liberty University (I’m being polite) has changed their perspective. It’s one thing to hold a religious viewpoint in your own home, but when you screw around with me, my husband, my grandchildren. That’s different.

  188. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    The “MyPillow” guy was on Trump’s COVID-19/re-election campaign press conference today. It was about 49% MyPillow infomercial and 51% kissing Trump’s ass.

    Who’s it gonna be tomorrow? Casino owner Steve Wynn? Robert Kraft of the NE Patriots? Whoever owns “Hooters”?

    • Avatar Common Sense says:

      My guess is Pastor Rodney Howard-Browne tomorrow.

      You know I had to invite my favorite Pastor today, so sad, he has been treated so unfairly! The Deep State has targeted him specifically because he and I are friends! He was doing a very good business….I umm mean he had a devoted following and then the Democrats made sure to have him arrested! Sad….so Sad….. I may have to Pardon him.

      Reporter- Mr President, didn’t he break the law and…. FAKE NEWS! Someone get that guy outta here…. So much fake news…….so sad.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Why was ‘My Pillow Guy was on Trump’s presser? Why did you leave that out? He was there with other companies announcing that they are retooling their factories to produce needed masks and equipment. My Pillow guy is producing 10,000 masks a day, gearing up to 50,000 a day. Honeywell was there too, starting the production of N95 masks. Jockey will start delivering 30,000 to 50,000 PPE’s per week. Procter & Gamble was there also explaining how they are retooling their factories. It was a good thing for Trump to have these CEO’s in front of America showing that they stepped up when needed. Not sure why you felt the need to misrepresent what occurred this afternoon, other than you will do whatever to make the president look bad.

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

        Doug Cook,

        Why are YOU ignoring the fact that the My Pillow CEO turned what was supposed to have been an official coronavirus briefing into a religious rant in which he claimed that God put Trump in office?

        And of course religious right fanatics on social media are now expressing their intent to run right out and buy My Pillows. This was a very calculated tactic to increase business, and boost Trump’s re-election prospects in the process.

    • Avatar Gary Tull says:

      Yeah, the “My Pillow”guy has been quite a trump supporting talking piece for the last three years or so.
      A few months back I checked out the “My Pillow”on display at the local Costco. The actual pillow appears to be of no higher quality than a 7 to 12 dollar range synthetic filled pillow you might find available at a Ross store. The one difference I and others noticed is the “My Pillow” was priced around 4 times that of a 9 dollar Ross pillow of the same quality.
      I see Pillow Guy has since shut down pillow production and is now retooling to make virus protective face masks… how convenient.

      https://www.newsweek.com/my-pillow-trends-after-mypillow-founder-urges-americans-focus-religion-during-white-house-1495165

  189. Avatar Linda Cooper says:

    Thank you for answering my question, Bruce. There is no “reply” choice to your post, so I’m just weighing in here. I do remain confused. I just don’t understand why Dolly Parton’s message would do more damage than Trump.

    As for “most posters on here only want to hear about Trump,” trust me. I would like to never hear his name again. Ever. However, he’s who we have now, and it’s important to track him. And really, he is accountable as president. I think of the crap that Obama, and previous presidents had to put up with, along with their families, and in my mind, there should be no reason for Trump to be exempt.

    To put it simply, again, Trump is who we “have” now. Of course we want to hear about what he is saying and chew on it. And really, nothing new here. Chewing on a president has always been a great American pastime. Unless you think he should be exempt? Oh, poor Trump. People are saying “nasty” things about him.

  190. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    So you want to hear about Trump’s latest gaffe so you can post another link that we have already read.
    Better get your digs in now because the way things are going half or more of his evangelists support will be dead of COVI by the election. For proof look at those church meetings, of which they arrested a pastor in Florida, that are going on and the congregation becomes sick.
    And gun sales have gone up because of all the rural people who are now blocking urban people from leaving their hot spot city to their second home in the country.
    Mexico is blaming their rich elites that travel abroad for bringing COVI back to Mexico, citing ones who returned from Vail, Colorado.
    And the post I post now, just like all the others post, will be redundant in a few hours.
    And at least I have some officials down here in Arizona who are ignoring Trump’s rhetoric, how’s that working in Redding, CS?

  191. Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

    For a change of pace what is everybody binge watching?
    I just finished The Valhalla Murders, an Icelandic film with subtitles, quite interesting.
    Last night I started Outlander, three seasons and I am hooked already. It’s about a WWII English nurse transported back to 1700’s Scotland. I won’t say more because I don’t want to be a spoiler.
    I have Netflix.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      My wife and I have been watching a great series from Masterpiece Theater…”Poldark”. About a British soldier returning back to England after the Revolutionary war. Great story. Streaming on Amazon Prime

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      The new season of “Ozark” on Netflix just released—a great series about a family forced to launder money for a Mexican drug cartel, and end up getting swept up in the game. I recommend watching it from the beginning. We’ve also started in on “Little Fires Everywhere,” Reese Witherspoon’s latest miniseries adaptation of a novel, on Hulu.

      For yucks, we’re still going through the backlog of “The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt” on Netflix. The writing (led by Tina Fey) is crazy-clever. My wife and I rewind several times an episode—the speed, density, and often subtleness of jokes is almost dizzying.

      We’re having a bit of internet-based TV trouble out here in Palo Cedro. With the semi-quarantine, there are too many straws in the bandwidth milkshake. Our picture definition has suffered at times.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        Ozark is a great show, I’m on episode 3 of the 3rd season. Outlander is a good binge watching show. Got a bit too violent for my wife, though.

      • Avatar Candace says:

        Steve, I’m watching the exact same shows you are other than TUKS. My first thought when watching episode one of Ozark was that it was a knock off of Breaking Bad but I’m going to stick with it. I’m also watching DEVS starring Nick Offerman ( and others). It’s quite dark which is right up your alley.

      • Avatar bruce vojtecky says:

        Steve, we are having COX internet problems out here in the West Valley, they message they are working on the problem and when one gets an actual human they try to sell us something. My son lives in Mesa and no problems with COX. I think it is because of all the expansion happening in the West Valley COX can’t handle the overload due to stay at home.

      • Avatar Candace says:

        Steve, I’m assuming you’ve watched and/or know of Shameless, Russian Doll and The Magicians? Maybe not, different folks…different strokes. Poldark (as Doug Cook suggested) is on my “to watch” list as well.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Candace — I loved Russian Doll. After watching Shameless for something like 5 years, I lost interest—it just seemed to be covering the same ground over and over (kind of like The Walking Dead for me, though I hear the current season is better). I had never heard of Devs (I assume short for “developers”?). It looks intriguing—I’ll definitely check that out.

          I might be the only person I know who watched both seasons of “The OA” on Netflix. It might be the weirdest show I’ve ever seen on TV. I liked it, but it’s one of those things that I won’t recommend to others, similar to certain rock bands that I enjoy but know aren’t for everyone.

          • Avatar Candace says:

            Steve, I’ve not watched the OA. The Magicians is dark, extremely clever, funny, fantastical, whimsical and gut wrenchingly sad at times. That said, it’s pretty impossible to describe to anyone who’s not seen and the title by itself wouldn’t have drawn me in. It’s probably one of my favorite shows. It’s also not everyone’s cup of tea. My son recommended it to me thinking I’d enjoy it and he was correct.

    • Avatar Candace says:

      Bruce, I love Outlander!

  192. Avatar Common Sense says:

    While everyone, even those in Arizona are talking about Covid-19 , William Barr is behind the scenes trying to get charges dropped of two Russian Companies that were charged by Mueller in the Hidden Mueller Report. You might be asking yourself about right now, why would he be doing that? Well for the same reason he lied about the Mueller Report! His “Summary” was so far out there that even Mueller chimed in and said it wasn’t accurate when that happened!

    Now the best part, the FULL UN Redacted Mueller Report has been hand Delivered to Judge Reggie Walton. It may take awhile to get through the whole thing but at least it has not found it’s way out of the dark basement and some Light can be shined on it!

  193. Avatar Common Sense says:

    The Orange Guy’s phone call yesterday with Putin went very well he says. Now Germany is the enemy I guess. What did they discuss? They discussed lifting Sanctions on Russian Businesses and Trade of course. You know, the important stuff!

    As I have said starting 2.5-3 years ago…..we have a Russian Asset in the W.H!

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-germany-coronavirus-ww2-enemy-allies-russia-putin-a9435906.html

  194. Avatar Chris Solberg says:

    VIDEO – No Face Shield ? – Eye Protection ? No Gloves ? No Face Mask ? No Universal Precautions? NO PPE ???

    CRAZY VIDEO ! Redding California Police CoronaVirus Takedown !

    https://krcrtv.com/news/local/knife-wielding-courthouse-climber-caught-by-police-after-standoff-in-redding?fbclid=IwAR0XQw_ch4-W5Du_67NPQWkg_e8s-a3FlACPWDth1TR79Lp40EsoEXThMpI

    • Avatar Candace says:

      Chris S, gotta say that the newscaster saying that the incident drew “quite a large crowd” was perplexing to say the least. I also agree that it’s concerning that our local LE are not wearing any PPE for their own protection as well as those with whom they come in contact who may or may not end up incarcerated with others. I wonder if they’re also experiencing a shortage of PPE supplies. Whatever the answer, it’s very worrying. The workers shown shown sitting side by side in the press release coupled with the news reporter and videographer standing fairly close to each other was also concerning. Maybe it was just the camera angles that made it look that way. Hope so because if the very people we rely on to enforce and practice social distancing and bring us the news are not only not doing so but are also not taking the wearing of PPE seriously that’s doubly concerning. The person threatening harm to others needed to be stopped so that part’s good. The rest of it – the lack of PPE (for whatever reasons) and failure to socially distance by the others – not so much.

  195. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    Today in WTF:

    Recently ousted White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney instructed his staff to read “A First-Rate Madness: Uncovering the Links Between Leadership and Mental Illness,” which argues that in “times of crisis, we are better off being led by mentally ill leaders than by mentally normal ones.”

    In other words, Mulvaney appears to have tried to reassure his staff that Trump’s obvious and troubling mental illness might be a good thing.

  196. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    Trump sent 18 TONS of American medical supplies to China (including ventilators, masks, and gloves), even AFTER being warned by health experts that coronavirus could easily become an epidemic in the U.S.

    Then he did nothing to replenish those lost supplies, and lied (as always) by claiming that it was Obama who left the supply of those items depleted.

    This fact should be publicized far and wide so that voters know who to blame when their loved ones die from a shortage of ventilators, etc. etc.

    https://god.dailydot.com/us-shipped-coronavirus-supplies-china/?fbclid=IwAR3PgV36Ai69-BFek-z8y2QDOUyz4woRDw-_O5b3Bu26PuPXwvTpHIb-58U

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Patrecia, If at the beginning of the virus outbreak in China, President Trump refused to send help to China, you would be first in line calling him a ‘white nationalist’ and ‘xenophobic; for not helping China to keep the virus from spreading. That was the goal, to keep it from spreading to the rest of the world. We now know that wasn’t going to work. Hindsight is 20-20, isn’t it?

      To keep me from going stir crazy being at home and not working, I have been going through some media archives and looking at what was being said about the coronovirus back in January and Feb. I found it interesting after scanning through the Democrat debate on Feb 25th. There was but one question to the candidates about the coronovirus, and that came about an hour and a half into the debate. Even as recently as Feb 25th the prevailing wisdom of the country was that we weren’t in that much danger. It is easy fro the Trump haters to change the narrative and put all the blame on Trump.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Doug sez: “Even as recently as Feb 25th the prevailing wisdom of the country was that we weren’t in that much danger.”

        LOL If “The prevailing wisdom of the country” equals “Der Pumpkinführer’s thinking.” Feb 24 was before COVID-19 exploded in Italy, and here’s NBC News reporting on it at that time (to be fair, this likely isn’t what was on Fox News): https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/coronavirus-updates-5-dead-200-infected-italy-europe-braces-covid-n1141466

        At the time, the Trump administration and Fox News were accusing the liberal media of whipping up hysteria over nothing. At a Feb. 28 rally in South Carolina, Trump likened the Democrats’ criticism of his response to COVID-19 to their efforts to impeach him, saying “this is their new hoaxsssss.” At the same rally, he said the disease was not a bigger deal than annual flu outbreaks.

        News flash, Doug: Trump is the President of the United States of America. You seem to believe, as he apparently does, that the office comes with zero responsibility or accountability—at least so far as *he* goes. You keep playing this “nobody knew” card as though if you repeat it enough times, some of us will start to believe it.

        Regarding the pandemic, Trump had two HUGE advantages that other countries didn’t have: (1) Far more advanced warning, and (2) lower population density. It looks more and more like he’s squandered both.

        Trump will ultimately be graded by the numbers: How well the United States deals with the pandemic versus how well other developed countries deal with it. So far, it’s looking like state governors and the American people might help him salvage a “D+.” I wish him luck.

        I do agree that helping China try to contain the disease early on was not foolish—it may have bought some time. It was foolish to not use that time to prepare for the likelihood that an obviously extremely contagious virus would get out of China.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Go back and look at the press releases from the CDC. Trump was parroting what the CDC was telling him, In mid February the CDC was saying the threat to the US was low. You want to make it sound like in January the country was in a panic over coronavirus and it was only Trump that was downplaying it. Not true as the example I gave where there was only one question about it during the Feb 25th Democrat debate. They spent less than 5 minutes on it. (Amy Klobuchar gave the best answer, by the way). What I am trying to explain is that there is a lot of rewriting of recent history going on in an attempt to make the president look as bad as possible. That is not fair. When this is all over, there will be plenty of time, and many books written about the countries response and the failures that occurred. You want to put the blame on Trump, I believe it is more systemic problem. I’m giving Trump a “B-” on his response so far. The CDC? a solid “D”

          Presidents make decisions based on experts input. President Bush made a wrong decision when he got false intelligence about Iraq. President Trump made some wrong decisions based on input from the CDC.

          According to Gallup, Trump’s approval rating in handling the crisis is at 60%.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — So you’re sticking with Trump wasn’t responsible….others were. What a shocker.

            Did you even look at what was being reported by NBC on Feb 24 that I linked? You know—when you said we all agreed that it was no threat to us? Your recollection that nobody had any idea what was up back then is a little fuzzy, to put it kindly.

        • Avatar Common Sense says:

          Steve I am in agreement that helping China was a good thing. The part where he dropped the ball was instead of “Replace” those supplies and gear up for it here as you say he was in Denial. The final numbers around the end of the year will more than likely show that.

          Did he do anything right? Well yes……he shut down the flights from China fairly early. Credit where credit is due. But still denying we had a Real Potential Crisis to keep the Stock Market propped up was just another one of this Bumbles. The Market responded as such. As the numbers get worse and worse I would say we have not seen the bottom yet in the stock market,or the top in the number of deaths by any means.

          Denying your Intelligence Community’s Assessment and Briefing of the Virus Situation in Jan will cost many lives. The same with Science…….this Virus thing will be like Disneyland compared to what Climate Change is going to do to our planet if that is not addressed there REALLY soon.

          Stay safe everyone….rubber gloves when getting gas/ATM’s and use that hand sanitizer….and thank god we don’t have Churches here still gathering and Spreading this thing like those Science denying parts of the Country. Very sad when people don’t head the warning from the Experts.

        • Avatar Larry Winter says:

          From Feb. 5, twee from Chris Murphy, CT.
          Just left the Administration briefing on Coronavirus. Bottom line: they aren’t taking this seriously enough.

          https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1225073987639705600

  197. Avatar Candace says:

    Liz, I wish you did too.

  198. Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

    Per our POTUS.
    If only 200K die in the next couple weeks we will have done a great job.
    Am I wrong or was that what I heard today in his daily campaign message?