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  1. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    Happy mid August. It is HOT here in Phoenix.

  2. Avatar Common Sense says:

    From $19.5 Billion in Exports to China ( 2017) to ZERO this year. We can see just how Stupid Tariffs are and how it is creating Entitlement/Subsistence Farming Subsidies the new Reality!

  3. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    Agriculture is declining and it has nothing to do with tariffs and more to do with unsustainability. Farmers, as high lighted in a Bloomberg article, are making more money selling their water to cities and leaving their land fallow. Bloomberg centered on southern California farmers but here in Arizona the Native tribes have been making long term deals with the city of Phoenix for their water rights.
    In addition the environmental damage done by use of pesticides and herbicides has polluted America’s waterways. Small Organic farming is on the rise, despite it’s higher cost to consumers.
    Better get to know the organic farmers in your neighborhood because that is where the food will becoming from.

  4. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Well, Bruce, I am in a good spot then. I am of those local backyard organic farmers. And food prices will be going up and not down in the future.

    A big difference between declining ag markets and losing a $19 Billion Dollar Market in a short amount of time.

    • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

      CS, are you a certified organic farmer? An organic farmer at the farmer’s market in Cheyenne told me it takes it takes three years to be certified requiring many restrictions. But that was in Wyoming, maybe California is different.
      You are right food prices will go up along with all the quality American made products instead of the cheap China junk that is always being recalled because they use products, like lead, that have been banned in the US.
      And as those big corporate farms owned by China and Brazilian companies are forced to quit using products that pollute the waterways American rivers will run cleaner.

  5. Avatar Common Sense says:

    I am not a “certified” organic farmer no Bruce. I am a backyard farmer that has figured out if I want healthy honest pesticide-free food I need to grow it myself. This year has not been good for production as my Greenhouse was destroyed by last winters foot of snow! Who would have thought a foot of snow in Redding a place that gets 114 sometimes in the Summer!

    Like the prices of things, food prices will be going up and not down overall I think.

    I think in the future it would be beneficial for everyone to be more independent in many ways. Grow your own food,solar power etc. Think about what would happen if the power grid went down for 6 months? How many would make it? No power or Internet for 6 month or a year….

    • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

      No power for six months. That is why people in rural areas, and a requirement in most businesses, have backup generator systems. When I worked at SUHSD making sure the backup generator worked was a monthly check. CS, you have a backup generator don’t you?

  6. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Mental Illness is no laughing matter. When the leader of your Country continues to Lie we as Americans suffer. It’s his Pathology. He can’t help it.

    Frank Dawson doesn’t even get a sorry after the Fat Rhetoric. Frank is a Trump Supporter that got Lambasted at a rally for being overweight. Narcissists can’t say ” I am Sorry”.

  7. Avatar Candace C says:

    CS I’ll agree with you that nothing about this President is a laughing matter. Unless of course one finds racism, ineptitude, dishonesty and narcissism to be funny. Quite obviously there are those who do. Guess that’s a joke I’d rather not be in on.

    • Avatar Common Sense says:

      Agreed Candace! Can you imagine if the Aliens landed and said: “Take me to your Leader”. How embarrassing that would be!

      We don’t have a real leader. We Had a Real Leader Recently for comparison.

      The Evangelicals are upset right now that he has been using the Lords Name in Vain at Rallies!

      Ummmm what about his Adultery, locking kids up in cages, Constant Lying and accepting help from a Hostile Foreign power to win the Election not to mention the Emoluments violations, etc???

      That’s OK?

  8. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    The biggest mistake many are saying is that Hillary Clinton wasn’t elected was because America will not elect a woman president. The same people said America wouldn’t elect a Black president.
    The reason Hillary Clinton lost was because, proven and heads did roll in the DNC, she interfered with Bernie Sanders campaign for president. And though Sanders did lukewarm support Clinton his supporters never did and either voted for Trump or didn’t vote.
    There are three Democratic women running right now that are far better than Clinton was. In fact one, Warren, could have gotten the 2016 nomination over Clinton.

  9. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Elizabeth Warren is on a Hot Streak no doubt! Bernie got Screwed last time around. How else do you say it.

    The interesting thing is all 4 top Dems are polling higher than T right now.

  10. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Mosquitoes testing Postive in California for the West Nile Virus. Here is a map that will show exactly where the issues are.

  11. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Racheal Bitcofer is one for one on calling the races. Will she be two for two in 2020? The long and the short of it is that she is saying Neither Party Really Gets it! They are using outdated thinking in this new era.

    • Avatar Larry Winter says:

      Good link which led me to the original article by Racheal Bitcofer. I thought this is key.
      “The complacent electorate of 2016, who were convinced Trump would never be president, has been replaced with the terrified electorate of 2020, who are convinced he’s the Terminator and can’t be stopped. Under my model, that distinction is not only important, it is everything.”

      I also found it interesting that she says “By and large, I don’t expect that the specific nominee the Democratic electorate chooses will matter all that much unless it ends up being a disruptor like Bernie Sanders.”
      Didn’t Trump win as a disruptor?

  12. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    The characteristic that Trump most has in common with his ardent followers is a shared belief that individually, the limits of their knowledge are the limits of knowledge itself. It’s the Dunning-Krueger effect on steroids.

    When Trump frequently claims, “nobody knows more than I do about XYZ…” it resonates with the types of people are who similarly incapable of comprehending their intellectual limitations. Trump and his type know they are right about each and every opinion they hold, for no better reason than those opinions are theirs.

    They lack the capacity for self-doubt. Sadly, that may be the superpower that they all share.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Although I am not an ‘ardent’ follower of Trump…when he says things like, “nobody knows more than I do about XYZ…” Does anyone really believe it? I certainly don’t. I don’t think even his most ardent followers thought that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. Yes, Trump is full of bluster and frequently puts his foot in his mouth. You think the answer is the candidates the Democrats are trotting out? You think a far left progressive is going to beat Trump? I saw a Democrat pundit say on MSNBC that if Warren gets the nomination, Trump will win 48 states., a definite possibility if the economy keeps rolling.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        1. Does anyone believe it? The point I was *clearly* making is that Trump believes it. And a common characteristic of his yahoo followers is that they also believe they’re right about everything.

        2. Anyone but Trump. Seriously. Today he tweeted that he should be president permanently. The dude is a delusional, power-tripping, would-be dictator.

      • Avatar Patricia Barrett says:

        The economy is certainly “rolling” – right into a recession, if the more reputable economists can be believed. Between now and the election we’ll also be seeing an inevitable increase in the price of thousands of products thanks to Trump’s nutty nationalist trade wars, and the country now has at least 3 trillion more in debt than it did when Trump took office, with the wealthy being the main beneficiaries.

        Trump seems to be rapidly losing what little sanity he ever possessed. Every fact that doesn’t show him in a favorable light is a “conspiracy”, and despite the deaths of 22 people in El Paso by yet another gunman who is an obvious admirer of Trump, he’s doubling down on his racist crap.

        During the Nazi/white supremacist rally in Portland yesterday (whose organizers called for violence), Trump just couldn’t resist coming down on the side of the supremacists by expressing his desire to classify Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization. The general public is in no danger from Antifa. However, the same can’t be said of right-wing hate groups and individuals, who have spread far more death and destruction in this country than foreign terrorists and left-wingers combined.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Since the whole Russian collusion turned into a big nothing burger, the left is now pivoting to praying for a recession. And their new obsession is racism. S losing strategy for them. Disgusting to blame Trump for the shooting in El Paso. Why don’t you blame Sen Warren for the Ohio shooting? You do realize vtgst you are handing the election right back to Trump, right?

          • Avatar Patricia Barrett says:

            That’s the latest right-wing line (lie) – that while mass shooters the world over praise Trump and parrot his racist rhetoric, he really isn’t responsible. And he still goes out of his way to take the side of Nazis and other white supremacists.

            He won’t acknowledge that right-wing violence is now the biggest threat to Americans,, and has been for some time. However, he wants to declare a group that battles Nazis who are out looking for a fight domestic terrorists. Undoubtedly the right-wing wants the country to look elsewhere (like at Democrats, who are simply pointing out the obvious), but that gimmick isn’t going to work.

          • Avatar Candace C says:

            I’m definitely left leaning and I’m definitely not praying for a recession. Only thing disgusting is Trump himself and his ongoing racist rants and lies. He quite obviously didn’t create racism but there’s no denying that he fans the flames of racist hate with his rhetoric. He’s fully aware of what he’s doing. He gets off on it and his base laps it up. Also, I wouldn’t say that proven Russian intervention in our election process is a nothing burger other than of course to Trump who refuses to accept it as reality and/or do anything about it to try and protect future elections. Tired old “Trump Derangement Syndrome” catch phrases thrown out every time someone criticizes Trump are just that, tired. Funny thing is that whenever I hear that phrase it strikes me as being misdirected. Seems to me anyone still supporting and excusing this president’s behavior would be the one suffering from said syndrome.

          • Avatar Tim says:

            Patricia, how many of these 2019 mass shooters praised Trump’s “racist rhetoric?”


          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Candace, the left completely ignored the Russian interference…they are still ignoring Russian interference as President Obama did. The former president made the decision not to reveal the facts about interference. I didn’t say Russian interference is a nothing burger… Russian collusion was. Yes, TDS is a thing. The obsession the left and the media has for the president is just too much over the top.

          • Avatar Larry Winter says:

            Doug, we have a President with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder of which you are an ardent defender. Look in the mirror to see what Trump Derangement Syndrome looks like. Trump “misspeaks, puts foot in mouth, etc., etc., are all excuses you’ve used that fit the definition of derangement more than how you are attempting to use it. I’ve known people that have the same NPD condition and it’s toxic to those around them, especially if they have children. His actions and words as President give a clear picture of his disorder and excusing it by blaming others for pointing it out is what I would call “deranged”

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            There has been a rise in mass shootings with large numbers of victims by white supremacists, and more than a few have turned out to be Trump supporters. As one example, the mass shooter in El Paso who killed 22 people and injured dozens of others quoted Trump word-for-word in numerous places in his “manifesto” and elsewhere, and even used guns to spell out “Trump” on his social media pages. In my opinion (and the opinion of many others) Trump was directly responsible for that slaughter because of his constant violence and fear-inciting racist rhetoric. He even singled out El Paso in particular during one of his rallies.

            (And Tim – I have no idea where you got your racist right-wing meme, and have no way to verify whether it’s accurate).

            There are some very informative links in the article below:


          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Larry, name me a politician that is not a narcissist. That all are, yes… President Trump takes it to a new level. I’m not sure why you insist on calling me an ardent defender of Trump. I try to balance the over the top Trump hating rhetoric on here. I will praise the POTUS when he does something good, and criticize him when he screws up. The same as I do with every other president I follow. I didn’t vote for the man, but you can’t fault him for following through with his campaign promises. The left can’t even give the president credit for his moderation and anti war policy in foreign affairs. Remember the hysteria about Trump will start WWIII? Now the left is criticizing his restraint and his negotiating peace. Guy can’t win

          • Avatar Patricia Stamm says:

            Doug Cook,

            I don’t recall you ever defending Obama against all the hysterical attacks by local right-wingers. However, you’ve spent a phenomenal amount of time defending Trump (whose policies you admit you support), beginning well before the election.

            You’ve made excuses for his open incitements to violence, his support of Nazis, and his countless other racist, xenophobic, sexist remarks and actions as just “putting his foot in his mouth” (or something equally innocent).

            Why not just admit that you’re a rabid Trump supporter (which you are), instead of pretending that all your excuse-making for this demented sociopath is only about trying to be “fair”.

          • Avatar Tim says:

            Patricia: My “racist right wing meme” comes from left-wing Snopes (which rates every true conservative claim as “mixture”):

            No matter how you feel, or what definition of mass shooting you use, the facts show white men are less likely than average to be mass shooters. So please stop the racist anti-white male trump supporter hate speech!

          • Avatar Patricia Stamm says:


            No it didn’t. It came from the white supremacist website 4Chan (according to your link). And Snopes basically just said that 4Chan’s claim may be partially accurate, but is a stretch.

            Any official definition of a mass shooting is 4 or more people killed in a public settting, randomly targeting people who are largely strangers. Your racist photo is heavy on shoot-outs between gang members – some number of which take place in private homes etc. between people well known to each other. The perpetrators of actual mass shootings are vastly more likely to be white men:


          • Avatar Tim says:

            Again, even using that definition of mass shooting (3 or more killed vs 4 or more shot), white men are disproportionately less likely to be the perpetrator (making up 63% of the male population vs 56% of shooters killing 3 or more).

          • Avatar Tim says:

            Do you know what nearly every mass shooters actually has in common? They’re bastards. Might want to rethink classifying focus on the family & FRC as hate groups…


          • Avatar Patricia Stamm says:


            That wasn’t the definition I quoted. And your year-and-a-half old Fox “News” editorial doesn’t do anything to prove its claim.

            Also, we went through the hate group thing on another thread recently, and I debunked your anti-LGTB statements. Once again, here are the many legitimate reasons organizations like the so-called “Family Research Council” have been designated hate groups:


          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Let’s try a test Ms Simms…do you support the president’s goal to bring home the troops in Afghanistan and end the war by 2020? Is that something you can praise President Trump for or will you find a reason to criticize him?

      • Avatar Common Sense says:

        Trump is an Anomaly. People wanted someone different. And…..they got it! He appeals to that Reptillian part of a voters brain.

        Morals and Values aside he has Hijacked the GOP and the Brains of the Republicans.

        It’s kind of like a group of people sitting around the campfire….one guy doesn’t realize an ember landed in his pants because he had a couple of beers.

        That smoke he stated to smell wasn’t a Democrat in the trailer lighting one up.

    • Avatar Common Sense says:

      You hit it on the head, Steve. It’s a lack of Capacity in General for the typical Trump voter. They seem to share a common, I know it all and he knows it all attitude instead of an introspective ability to listen to any logic or common sense.

      Take the link supplied. If it doesn’t go along with their agenda then it must be the Trump Haters that have caused the Recession!

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        THAT is why the Democrats will lose. The belief that all Trump supporters are too stupid to know better is the type of arrogance that Americans won’t go for.

        • Avatar Patricia Stamm says:

          Doug Cook,

          If they’re Trump supporters they won’t be voting Democratic anyway, so it doesn’t matter whether Democrats point out the obvious (and there actually is evidence from scientists and medical researchers that right-wingers suffer from brain damage and/or low intellect).

          I’m so glad more of these white supremacist thugs are being held accountable for their violence (at another demonstration a counter-protestor was hospitalized with a skull fracture after being attacked by a white supremacist, who was heavily armed). Since the election of their president they’ve been pushing their way into places they aren’t wanted looking for a fight, so they can pretend they’re poor little victims when someone pushes back.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Ms Stamm…it is not the Trump supporters that you have to worry about. It is the independents that are mostly middle of the road politicaly that will run away from the far left ideology that the Democrats bare embracing. Just keep with the outrageous comments like Republicans suffer from brain damage and low intellect. I find it amazing that someone in this day and age can actually say something as deplorable as that. Wow. Since I am a right winger, I must assume that you think I have a below level intellect. Here is the difference between you and I. I can condemn the actions of the Proud Boys as well as the leftist group Antifa. They are both a thugish violent group. You on the other hand will ignore the violence of the leftists Antifa. I guess it’s time to take my below level intellect and go watch the Three Stooges. Can’t believe what I’m reading on here. Good grief

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Ms Stamm says, “…counter-protestor was hospitalized with a skull fracture after being attacked by a white supremacist”. Yes, violence like that is unacceptable. I have to wonder, however if you were just as outraged over the journalist that was attacked by Antifa last month, where he now has permanent brain damage. I didn’t recall your comment condemning that attack. Hmmm…

          • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

            Doug, funny you mention the Three Stooges as your profile picture on the old RS was one of the Stooges.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            LOL, You’re right Steve. I did have Curly as my profile pic for awhile….Gotta love the Stooges, must be my low intellect.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            I somehow managed to post my niece’s name (who bought and registered this computer, so her name appears in various places) on some of my earlier comments. I can’t imagine how I did it, but I seem to be back to myself again.

            Doug Cook – Andy Ngo is not a “journalist”. He’s a hate-mongering supremacist sympathizer who has done everything in his power to incite violence (so he can write a distorted version of events that leave out pertinent facts, and incite even more violence), and attends rallies to further that aim.

            There’s no documentation of how that confrontation started. However, it’s probably a given that he motored the situation that led to those couple of bonks, and was thrilled with the outcome.


          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Patrecia, thanks for clarifying the name mix up. I found it incredulous that there was more than one person out there with your beliefs.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            There are millions of people with my beliefs. They are the majority (by several million people) who voted for Clinton to avoid the unthinkable (it happened anyway).

          • Avatar Tim says:

            The majority of voters did NOT vote for Clinton in 2016 (only 48.2% did).

        • Avatar Candace C says:

          Doug Cook, thank you for proving Steve and CS’s point regarding some Trump supporter’s inability for self-introspection regarding their, and this president’s, treatment of others. I say the arrogance lies in those who consistently insist on appointing themselves as the arbitrators of truth based on some twisted moral outrage at those who dare criticize this president’s vey amoral behavior. THAT’s the type of arrogance that many Americans won’t and aren’t going for.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Patrecia, Once again you justify left wing violence. Just as you justified the congressional baseball shooting, in your own words you said “Trump drove him to it”. Outrageous.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            I never used the phrase “Trump drove him to it”. And while it wasn’t justifiable, he at least had a more legitimate reason than committing violence against people based solely on the color of their skin, their nationality, or their religion.

            Also, that’s only one incident of its type, compared to multiple murders, and shootings, stabbings, beatings and other attacks that resulted in serious injuries (not to mentions thousands of acts of harassment and intimidation) by Trump supporters.

            I don’t believe that Antifa really got underway until Trump supporters went hog-wild with violence. They got so bad that Trump was finally forced to address all this violence by his followers, so he said “Stop it” (big F— deal).

            And aside from mass shootings by admirers of Trump, the latest trend seems to be right-wingers pulling guns on black people (even kids), and accosting/calling the police on black people of any age engaged ordinary, non-criminal activities.

  13. Avatar Candace C says:

    Trump “frequently puts his foot in his mouth” is a polite way of saying Trump frequently flat out lies with no remorse. Sadly, I do think some of his base believes whatever he says for the exact reason Steve gave. If they don’t they’re excusing his constant telling of blatant, provable lies. I’m not sure which I think is worse, ignorance or willful ignorance. Actually, yes I do; willful ignorance.

  14. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    Actually Warren’s worst enemy is Trump. Democrats like her but worry that her bombastic campaigning is similar to what Trump did before the 2016 election. I never even considered voting for him, starting with his condemnation of John McCain, and I can’t believe anyone else voted for him. He is doing exactly what he said he would do.
    Maybe in the next year someone will emerge from the Democrat pack but right now they all sound the same.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Bruce, Warren and Sanders share the same voting Bloc, each holding about 15%. If one of them drops out ( likely Sanders) then all those voters will jump to the other , most likely Warren. Then we have a tie with Biden. You are seeing some of the other candidates backtracking on their way far left views, like medicare for all and open borders. Harris is backpedaling on that. Warren won’t wing a general election with her socialist views.

  15. Avatar Candace C says:

    Warren’s “bombastic” campaigning? Huh? Are you referring to her “I have a plan for that”. If so, I personally don’t find that to be bombastic(?). Not sure yet if she’s who I’d choose to vote for ( unless she’s the Democratic nominee) but I find having a plan about an issue to be refreshing.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Bombastic campaigning is coming out with a statement saying Michael Brown was ‘murdered’. That is fanning the flames of racism. The Obama Justice Dept after a lengthy investigation determined that it was a justifiable shooting. Ad I said earlier, because Russian collusion fell flat on its face. Dems have to find a new outrage. Warren had no chance in the world to beat Trump. The country will reject her far left views

  16. Avatar Candace C says:

    Bruce, oh, I see, you said the “Dems” worry about that, not you personally. Sorry, I should have read more carefully.

  17. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    The economy is running into a recession according to most economists, but those same economists say it won’t be as bad as the last recession because housing prices, except in a few areas, are not skyrocketing into the stratosphere.
    Hold on to your job is the advice I give, now is not the time to switch to a new one. Last hired, first gone.
    Childcare has skyrocketed and hits working families the most. That is why many households have three generations living in one house. It used to be mostly migrants that did this but many American families are now doing it.
    Produce will face increased prices for several reasons. The Midwest farms are still under water and the southwest is being hit with droughts. Many farmers in California and Arizona are leaving their fields fallow and selling their water to the cities.
    Sensible gun laws are being brought forth in many areas. When Senator McSally here in Arizona, is softening her opposition to background checks and banning assault weapons, shows that. But then she is up for election in 2020 and Arizona is no longer a safe GOP state, unlike other areas.
    Last year a GOP Arizona state legislator stated to properly integrate schools the country needs more white students. He is now gone, forced to resign. This year another state legislator complained about the “Browning” of America. Right now the GOP is defending her and the only reason I can see that they are not pushing for her to resign is because she is a woman.
    There will be big changes in 2020.

  18. Avatar Common Sense says:

    The Rest of the world IS in a Recession right now but we are only heading that way at the moment. When you don’t understand how things work and keep talking about how we are making money off China on the Tariffs it doesn’t bode well with the Confidence in the Markets.

    As we start the plunge look for more deflection, it’s the Fed, The Democrats, McCain from his Grave, ______fill in the blank because a Narcissist Can NOT admit they were wrong.

    Follow the Pathology, see things before they happen.

    In 2005 it took approx 6-9 months for the average Joe on the street to realize : Hey, things have changed!”

    You can’t Spend your way out of Debt! The Tax Cut for the Wealthy has a cost to it. The Tariffs Have a Cost to them……the Writing is one the Wall…..for those that can see.

    The wheels are just about ready to pop off at this point…..the T- Train…..It will be a Disaster with Collateral Damage. Haven’t heard that one before have you?

    This is ALL before the Country gets to pay for the Hundreds of Millions in Damages with all the lawsuits coming by the Migrants that have been locked up, the cases/liability of the kids dying, the cases of sexual abuse when the kids were separated from their parents that are “just starting” to be filed. And people thought that supporting those seeking Asylum was expensive…..just wait. This may make the Me Too movement and Lawsuits seem like Disneyland.

  19. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    A mass shooting is considered any gun deaths over four people. Every weekend there is a mass shooting in Chicago, DC, New York City, Miami and countless other cites large and small. Most, like the shooting in southern California where an officer was shot, are committed with illegal weapons. How is making an illegal weapon more illegal going to solve the problem?
    The liberals on here will call that a deflection and it is actually more about being ignored. There is a definite problem with gun deaths in this country, 60% are actually suicides, but focusing on gun laws is only part of the cure.
    This past week there were three arrests in three different states of potential killers that were reported to authorities. And here in Phoenix an arrest was made at a school because a student had a loaded gun and was reported to authorities by other students. Right now, instead of being a bunch of talking heads, Phoenix police are informing students on how to report possible threats. That will do more good than all the liberals calling for gun control.

  20. Avatar Candace C says:

    The stats don’t lie. The highest number of gun deaths in America are committed with the use of a hand gun. Of-the-moment crimes of passion, suicide and/or children playing with guns are included. No politician (or very few) is going to go after the prevalence of hand guns in our American homes. It’s verboten. The very real tragedy of mass shootings we are shown over and over again on tv are horrifying and no sane person wants to see them happen, ever, but gun banning laws with no teeth (exclusions, modifications as to what’s acceptable and included in the ban) are pointless and ineffective; they foster “one and done” complacency with the people in power who originally opposed them. At this point I’d say they’re purely political and/or borne of the need to do something, anything, to stop the senseless killing. I get that. I feel overcome by a sense of powerlessness and hopelessness to stop the killing as well. Extensive background checks and longer waiting periods just might prevent an avoidable tragic loss of life being taken in the heat of the moment. It’s doable. It’s not the third rail, or at least it shouldn’t be. Something’s gotta give. Personally I’d like to see, at the very least, longer waiting periods, stronger background checks and a buy-back program and if we’re banning certain AR’s make sure the laws have teeth. Also, kudos to the responsible gun owners who lock away their guns and ammo and require all in their home to take gun safety courses. While I’m personally not a gun fan these responsible gun owner safety measures may stop a tragic and senseless loss of life. Oh, and Bruce? I agree. If you see something, say something. Lives are depending on it.

  21. Avatar Patricia Stamm says:

    And BTW – Millions of low-income women who have been depending on Planned Parenthood for comprehensive medical care may be deprived of that care, and have few – if any – other options (and no – dentists and chiropractors etc. don’t count, as Republicans have maintained), since Trump is forcing Planned Parenthood out of the Title IX program because 3 percent of the services it provides are abortions (which are NOT government-funded).

    He is also making it “legal” for employers to fire their gay employees (or not hire gay people at all) simply because they are gay, by using their primitive religious beliefs as an excuse.

  22. Avatar Common Sense says:

    What if one day…..hopefully soon, everyone realized that the right wing, and the left wing, are both connected to the Bird!

    What if we had a Country that worked for “Everyone”? Imagine……that.

    Jesus said to “Love Everyone”……my how we have forgotten that one!

  23. Avatar Larry Winter says:

    Trump Derangement Syndrome, or how to feed a narcissistic disorder.

    “President Trump is the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world, not just America, he is the best President for Israel in the history of the world…and the Jewish people in Israel love him like he’s the King of Israel,” tweeted Mr Trump, quoting Wayne Allyn Root, a conservative radio host known for promoting conspiracy theories.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Yes…it was ridiculous for the president to retweet that nonsense. However, we have had multiple presidents, including President Obama that vowed to recognize Jerusalem as the capital and move the embassy, but it was President Trump that actually got it done.

  24. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    Yes…it was ridiculous for the president to retweet that nonsense. However, we have had multiple presidents, including President Obama that vowed to recognize Jerusalem as the capital and move the embassy, but it was President Trump that actually got it done.

  25. Avatar Common Sense says:

    They say a Sucker is born every minute. All I can say is it’s going to be interesting in the next 10 Years! If the Democrats are always the ones that want to spend all the Money and add to the Debt, how do the Republicans Explain this one??

  26. Avatar Candace C says:

    “Yes…it was ridiculous for the president to retweet that nonsense. However…” Another Classic Trump supporter “whatabout” argument to excuse away Trump nonsense after first calling his behavior “Ridiculous”. Starting off with a valid criticism and then going on to invalidate that criticism with finger-pointing blame at past presidents sure sounds like the definition of what those who like to throw around as “TDS” to me. If one is a Trump supporter, own it. It will make one’s arguments seem less like “sport” baiting and more genuine.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      That is why Trump will get reelected, because despite of some of the ridiculous things he says, he actually gets things done. Moving the Embassy was a big deal that other president’s vowed to do but didn’t. Yes, it was a valid criticism that I don’t mind pointing out. And I don’t mind pointing out whataboutism either. If Trump said RFK and Kennedy was assassinated in the late 70’s like Biden did today, what do you think the reaction would be? Whataboutism can also be called looking at double standards.

  27. Avatar Common Sense says:

    When we take a moment to take note of a typical debate response of a Trump Supporter it goes like this-

    Trump had lied over 12,000 times since taking office doesn’t that matter to you?

    Trump Supporter- Obama lied also!
    Trump has cheated on every wife or girlfriend he has ever been with how can the Evangelicals support him?

    Trump supporter- All presidents have done the same….
    Trump d0esn’t have a clue what he is doing, he thinks Tariffs bring money into the USA!

    Trump Supporter- He is a great businessman, look at how rich he is!
    Trump has a serious Mental Disorder!

    Trump supporter- They all do.
    Trump Supports the White Supremists!
    Trump Supporter- It’s his first amendment right to say what he wants.

    See anything here?

    I mean what’s next? Will he start saying he is the “Chosen One”?…….

    • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

      Who is the “Chosen One” for the Democrats? Trump beat the “Chosen One” in 2016.
      Just a question from a low educated GED conservative in an actual swing state where my vote counts.

  28. Avatar Common Sense says:

    As the Doctors and Psychologists have said….Huston…..we have a problem here!

    Mental Illness is No Joke!

    We have to make it until the Dem’s get the info they requested and win their court cases for evidence. Then the Fireworks Start. If not played right and we don’t have a strong solid Dem Candidate….all bets are off!

    Know the Pathologies…..see the future.

  29. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    The 2020 election is almost a year and a half away. No matter who the “Chosen One” from the score of Democrat candidates is, they have already won California. When it comes to choosing presidents the voters, on both sides, in the 1st District have no say. Local elections are what counts.
    California as a stand alone nation would be the 5th greatest economy in the world, they have more people than the whole country of Canada. Los Angeles would be the 16th greatest economy in the world. California sets the emissions standards for the world. Anyone who wants to sell in California has to meet those standards. Many small trucking companies do not travel in California because of the emission requirements. Denmark might consider California buying Greenland for the environmental protections that would be offered.
    All these anti-Trump posts are meaningless in California.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Bruce, California is such a mess, maybe we should do a straight trade with Denmark. They get California…we get Greenland.

  30. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    All bets are off for 2020. The 10th Circuit Court in Denver just ruled that electors do not have to follow the state’s popular vote but can vote their own way. That would change at least ten electoral votes in California alone.

  31. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:


    Moving the embassy wasn’t much of an accomplishment, and isn’t popular with a good percentage of the American public (including quite a few Jewish Americans). The only people who really support it to any great extent are the fundamentalist “Christian” fanatics Trump is handing our government to.

    And your idea of being “critical” of Trump is to make excuses for his deranged and harmful comments by pretending he’s just joking, that he’s just thoughtless, or – at worst – that he’s being “ridiculous”. His intentions are far more malignant than that.

    Being the egomaniacal sociopath he is, he seems to think that all Jewish Americans should fall in line behind him just because of his support for the strategically placed, American taxpayer-financed nuclear power and world-class armaments dealer that is Israel. However, it seems most Jewish people care more about the things Trump is trying to destroy:

  32. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    If Trump was forced to release his tax returns (as every other president and presidential candidate has done WILLINGLY for decades), I suspect that would be the end of his reelection aspirations. We already know he’s up to his eye teeth in hock to Russians investors, and (being the dirtbag that he is) there are undoubtedly plenty of other conflicts of interest and sleazy endeavors. He’s not fighting tooth-and-nail to hide his tax returns for nothing.

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