Open Conversation for July, 2019

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  1. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    Happy Fourth of July.

  2. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    On Senator Sinema’s Facebook page she asked what everybody was going to do on the Fourth. Best answer, “I’m going to smoke a big fat joint”. Love America.

  3. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    In Arizona Governor Ducey has removed the $2 million tax and permit fee offered Nike to open a plant in Goodyear. He stated it was because Nike removed the “Betsy Ross” shoe opposed by Kaepernick. I think it had more to do with complaints of giving companies tax incentives to “create” jobs. It is refreshing to see a public official against giving away taxpayer money with little benefit to show for it.

    • Avatar Tim says:

      That whole episode is just one giant attention whoring $#!+ show.

      The Betsy Ross flag is not racist, though it obviously dates to a time when half the states allowed slavery.

      Nike’s sweatshop labor system makes it as close to a modern slave owner as it gets. Anyone accepting money from Nike has zero moral authority when it comes to slavery & exploitation.

      Aside from a lapel pin or a patch on a police/military uniform, it is trashy & unpatriotic to wear the flag as clothing.

  4. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    A few things wrong with Trump’s planned 4th of July celebration in Washington DC:

    1. The resemblance to an authoritarian dictator’s military parade, reflecting his admiration of strongmen and tyrants.

    2. The huge area in front of the Lincoln Memorial—extending half the length of the reflecting pool—reserved for invited VIP’s, friends, and family. (This is a guy who ran on a platform of opposing “The Elites.”)

    3. Trump himself, who will turn it into a celebration of Trump himself. This is a guy who simultaneously says he’s the greatest POTUS in America’s history (he likely will go down as one of the worst), and a guy who says he’s the most persecuted (four POTUSs were assassinated). He has almost zero understanding of and appreciation for our nation’s history.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      “…1. The resemblance to an authoritarian dictator’s military parade, reflecting his admiration of strongmen and tyrants.”

      One of the favorite things I did when I was in the Air Force is travelling the country going to different military air shows. They opened up the base to civilians where we had our aircraft on display, where the Thunderbirds in their F-16’s performed, where fighters and bombers were there for all to see. . I guess we also reflected the admiration of strongmen and tyrants. I always considered it as giving the opportunity to show civilians where their tax money is going towards. Being able to walk through a KC-10 and chatting with the crew gives them a better understanding of the mission of the Air Force.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Doug — I have no problem with the military being celebrated, and celebrating itself. I attended many Air Force Base open houses when I was a kid (I wanted to be an astronaut, and military pilots were the shit with NASA back then).

        I spent a considerable amount of time on Air Force and Navy bases in Japan in my early 20s. I turned down an opportunity to do an M.D./Ph.D. with the Navy in CNS neurology (primarily brains). spent about 20 years working on Navy and Marines projects as a working professional in the environmental sciences.

        So here’s my problem: The POTUS turning the 4th of July celebration in D.C. into a partisan campaign rally—turning over the “VIP Section” to the RNC, and using the military as a prop.

        I think it it’s demeaning to the military, and disgusting, for Commander Shinsplints to use the military as a stage prop.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          It is full fledged “Trump Derangement Syndrome” on display, nothing else. You don’t think there was a VIP section in any other celebration by any other president? Yeah, it’s cool to see military jet flyby…it happens every week at NASCAR races. Why leave the Army out? They want to show off their equipment too. A tank on a flatbed truck in a parade is using the military as a prop? Come on Steve…get over your ridiculous false outrage over everything Trump does.

  5. Adrienne Jacoby Adrienne Jacoby says:

    Ooooops. . . I had already posted my thought on the “This week’s entertainment” page before I saw this thread. Okay . . I cut and paste it here.

  6. Adrienne Jacoby Adrienne Jacoby says:

    Okay . . . what I wrote disappeared into the ether . . . . probably because I failed to hit the “pos” button.
    Oh well . . . Steve said it as well or better than I could have.
    I, FOR ONE, WILL NOT BE WATCHING THE CELEBRATION FROM THE NATIONAL MALL!!”

  7. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    Thank you California for yet another gas tax increase…5.6 cents a gallon increase kicked in July 1st after a 12 cent increase just 2 years ago.

    • Avatar Damon Miller says:

      Oh man, that extra 44.8¢ is gonna blow a hole in my monthly budget.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        A rather arrogant statement…how about those working poor and those on fixed incomes? The average price of fuel in the US is $2.50/gl. Yesterday I paid $3.80/gl. That is a $1.30/gl more than the national average. If you go through 25 gallons a week, and that is being conservative, that is $32.50 a week or $130 a month, $1,560 a year. May be chump change for you, god bless you id it is. But to some, that is real money. That also adds to inflation, the cost of consumer goods, food. Trucking companies will charge customers a fuel surcharge. What is the purpose of another gas tax if our state is supposedly doing so well economically?

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Doug, I agree that regressive taxes are bad. Blame Prop 13, which put California on the path of scrambling for replacement revenue.

          That said, when I see one of the “working poor” buying a carton of cigarettes and a flat of Monster Energy Drink, my sympathies tend to evaporate.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            You always brag that California is the 5th largest economy in the world. Then why yet another gas tax increase? Blame prop 13? We are now one of the highest taxes state in the union…if we didn’t have prop 13…we would assuredly be leading the pack, Right now only 50% of Californians can afford to buy a house…just think, if we didn’t stop the Ca government’s lust for taxes, where do you think our property taxes would be right now?

          • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

            Steve, I feel the same way about “college educated” complaining about student debt over a Starbucks latte while playing the latest Robolock or Minecraft game on their bling loaded cell phone.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — California ranks 11th in total state and local tax burden. We rank 30th in total sales and excise tax burden. We also rank 30th in property tax rate.

            We rank 5th in state income tax.

            In other words, rich Californians are subsidizing you and I so that we can enjoy relatively lower sales and property tax rates.

            And as you know, the Repubs in Congress eliminated the federal write-off of state taxes as a “f*** you” to the blue states that subsidize the red states.

            Nothing more charming than vindictive, ungrateful parasites.

          • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

            Steve, the answer to the high income tax is to eliminate it and join the other 7 states, including Florida and Texas, that have no state income tax. If they can do it why can’t California?

  8. Avatar Tim says:

    Shasta Elementary and Igo-Ono Elementary schools tested positive for excessive lead in their water. Shasta had 40ppm lead in two fixtures in the library, Igo-Ono had one fixture at 60ppm and another at 90 in its main building. 15 is the limit.

    The affected fixtures have since been removed.

    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/MapJournal/index.html?appid=9d17731cae2c4452957fadc5d8ee2d75

  9. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    What is wrong with you people? The USA women just won the world cup and Megan Rapinoe has put Redding on the world stage and all you can do is argue over Trump or the homeless or convicts. No wonder I can’t connect with you.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Can we all go back to ignoring women’s soccer for another four years now?

      • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

        Doug, get a life. My daughter played soccer and my granddaughters play soccer. Your attitude is exactly what my daughter, and Megan Rapinoe faced in Shasta County. Thank God my granddaughters don’t have to put up with that s-t attitude because they are not in Shasta County.

      • Avatar Linda Cooper says:

        Doug, I’m not understanding this comment. I’m not being sarcastic when I ask, why would “we” want to ignore women’s soccer for another four years?

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Because that is what we do. No different than women’s gymnastics.we ignore the sport until the Olympics roll around every 4 years. There is a reason soccer doesn’t catch on in the US. Yes, many kids play soccer when they are young, but usually give it up in high school. Linda, do you follow soccer on the years the world cup isn’t going on? I certainly don’t read any sporting news about it

          • Avatar Linda Cooper says:

            Real – ly? Because I wouldn’t want to think of your reply as disingenuous. But thanks for the clarification. I initially thought you meant something along the lines of, Doug doesn’t want to hear about women’s soccer for another four years. Because some of the team doesn’t support Trump.

          • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

            Doug, women’s soccer, gymnastics, ice skating, go on all year and are gaining in viewership. Just because you aren’t interested in them doesn’t mean others aren’t. The NFL and Major League Baseball are losing viewers.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            What I’m saying Bruce is that womens’s soccer only gains viewership every 4 years when the world cup happens, same as gymnastics. Can you name me one USA team gymnast? Of course you can’t…not until the Olympics roll around again. Soccer has never caught on in the US. It was invented for the kids that can’t hit a curve ball.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Linda…that is silly, I couldn’t care less who on the team does or does not support the president. Just kick the damn ball. My comment had more to do with the game of soccer rather than Megan specifically. I firmly believe, however that politics should stay out of sports and entertainment. When I go see Bruce Springsteen, I don’t want to hear his politics. Just play “Thunder Road”. It’s not that we want to ignore soccer until the world cup comes around…it just happens.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        I think I’ll just go back to ignoring you.

  10. Avatar Candace C says:

    If a city official (?) doesn’t step up and and offer to throw Megan Rapinoe a much deserved HOMETOWN HERO parade something is very wrong in Redding, CA!

  11. Avatar Candace C says:

    Well, after my previous comment about throwing Rapinoe a parade (swept away from the excitement of the win!) I considered the fact that there are still quite a few people hurting from the fires, homeless issues etc. who could use the money that would be spent on a parade. Still, what an exciting day for Women’s Soccer and our very own Megan Rapinoe!

  12. Avatar Candace C says:

    Tim, Yes, very cool, I was meaning now in 2019 after their win today.

  13. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    You ask me, the equal pay issue in soccer is BS. Until the USMNT win something they should be paid way less than the USWNT.

    • Avatar Tim says:

      Um, the women did make more than the men. Each member of the women’s team will make in the ballpark of $400k this year, while each member of the men’s team will make in the ballpark of $100k.

      • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

        Tim, in the Washington Post is an article on men and women soccer pay. You like to post links so I can only feel you didn’t post this one is because it refutes the claim you just made. A few notes, the women are paid a $100,000 base pay no bonuses . The men are paid bonuses, $5,000 for losing a game, it didn’t say how much for winning I suspect because they never win. So if the men lose 20 games they have made $100,000.
        The women were paid $4 million for winning the world cup the men were paid $48 million for not even qualifying.

        • Avatar Tim says:

          That WaPo article referred to 2018 earnings, not 2019. With the women’s 2019 victory (and the men not even qualifying) US women will make more than the US men in 2019 – that is unless you count the salaries some of the men make outside the national team when playing for pro clubs (e.g. Christian Pulisic makes $13m/year playing for Chelsea FC).

          WaPo also entirely neglected the revenue disparity between men’s and women’s soccer (the men’s world cup brings in 4-6 billion vs a mere ~150 million for women).

          It also ignores the fact that it is not “equal work” – it takes a much better team to qualify for the top 16 in the men’s world cup than it does to win the women’s world cup. Undisputably the dominant women’s team in the world, the US women’s soccer team couldn’t even beat a boys U-15 team from Dallas.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            These are the same excuses that used to be run up the flagpole for unequal prize money at tennis tournaments. The women eventually prevailed.

            I go to the Indian Wells tournament every year (sometimes referred to as “the fifth major”), and I don’t see any preference for attendance at men’s vs women’s matches. Many people prefer the women’s game—longer, craftier rallies rather than “bang, bang, bang…point over.”

            Also, the women’s game passes the eye test—it’s spectacular. As a decent club player, I can sit near court-side and know for absolute certain that every last one of those young ladies would absolutely crush me and all the guys I play with.

          • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

            Tim, that Wapo article did not ignore the revenue between men and women. That was pointed out why the men get much more than women, because they are in higher paid group and even by losing their percentage of the take that other countries men’s teams make is large. And the USA men make money from fees that are charged to other countries to play the USA men. Like Ohio State or Alabama paying a small college to be a sacrificial lamb at football homecoming games.
            But there was a lot more to that article that can’t be told in a couple of comments. WaPo blamed a lot of the pay disparity on the union that represents the women, and the union didn’t respond to requests for comments.

          • Avatar Tim says:

            I see 3 fair ways to determine compensation:

            1) Sports are competitions in which the winners of fair games earn the most money.

            2) Sports are events in which the most entertaining athletes/teams earn the most money.

            3) Some combination of 1 & 2

            Paying players the same despite less skill/talent/entertainment would be the definition of unfair. It is equal pay for unequal work.

            That description applies to women’s soccer, at least globally: women aren’t competitive with men from a sporting perspective and men’s games draw 45 times as much revenue ($6 billion vs $131 million: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/03/07/world-cup-soccer-pay-disparity-between-men-and-women-is-justified/#2c7790286da4 ).

            Tennis? Not so much. While the top women in tennis also cannot compete with the top men, their matches do draw similar & sometimes higher ratings.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Tim — In the end, the players and the people who pay them probably couldn’t car less about what you and I think is fair. It all comes down to what kind of deal you can cut…and the kind of deal you can cut has far more to do with leverage than fairness.

          • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

            I thought Bobby Riggs, who I actually met in Twin Falls, put to rest who was better at tennis, men or women.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Tim — I’ve read several articles focused on the basis of the lawsuit, and it’s about their yearly salaries—not how much bonus money the women make for winning the World Cup every four years.

        The article Bruce mentions in WaPo is compelling, but it’s behind a paywall, so here’s another detailed accounting that comes to similar conclusions.

        https://heavy.com/sports/2019/07/usa-women-uswnt-soccer-salary-men-usmnt-world-cup/amp/

    • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

      Steve, I agree with you. Nike reports that the top selling soccer jersey in the world, men or women, is the USA women’s soccer jersey. Maybe some will be made down here at the Nike plant in Goodyear slated to open in 2021.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Bruce — Do you think that project is still going through now that AZ’s governor has withdrawn the state’s tax incentives offer?

        The governors of both CA and NM seem to think Nike will be looking elsewhere—both have resumed courting The Swoosh.

        • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

          Steve, Ducey proposed removing $1 million in state incentives, 2 ASU economics professor agree with it, not because of the Betsy Ross pull back but because they say politics should not be allowed in business decisions. Regardless the City of Goodyear city council, which bears no resemblance to Redding’s Bethel dominated city council, has said they will still honor their own commitment, $2 million in incentives, to Nike. Nike is still building their plant in Goodyear. This was announced last week.

  14. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    Trump will win reelection in 2020. His approval rating is going up, though low by historical measurements. Why? Not because of anything he is doing but because the Democrats are in their eat their own battle. The voters the Dems need are being turned off by the Democrat on Democrat attacks. Who would vote for these clowns?

  15. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    President Trump tried to enact a requirement that drug companies post prices on their ads. A judge, appointed by President Obama, struck down the ruling and sided with the drug companies who said posting drug prices would violate their first amendment rights, Duh.

  16. Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

    I see that Ross Perot died. Two of the planks on his platform are still sucking us dry, the national debt and health care reform. I will always wonder where we would be if he had convinced more than 19% of the voters to support him. The press didn’t like him then, but now they are calling him a patriot.

    • Avatar Linda Cooper says:

      Nice to have you acknowledge him. I supported him in the primaries when he was running. I too recall that “sucking out” he mentioned about jobs being lost in the United States. In fact, I had his campaign button that I miss!

      • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

        Two of his campaign phrases that have stuck with me: regarding NAFTA, “that giant sucking noise you hear are jobs moving south”, and “where the rubber meets the sky.”

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      If Perot wouldn’t have run, we would have had a 2nd H.W. Bush term, and no Clinton. Too bad Perot ran

      • Avatar Linda Cooper says:

        I am trying to follow this logic. Am struggling here. So, next, my humor kicked in. If Trump had not run for president, there would be no Trump for president. Time for a nap.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          The logic is that Perot got 19% of the vote. If Perot did not run the conventional wisdom was that most of those votes would have gone to Bush, enough to beat Clinton. Hope you had a good nap

    • Welcome back, Beverly. We’ve missed you!

      • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

        Thank you, Doni. I was in cool, rainy Washington State, co-hosting a surprise birthday party for my sister. And it was a great success!

  17. Avatar Lisa says:

    Health care reform or health insurance companies? Pre-ACA, my household was being sucked dry to the tune of $30K/year, and we were never sure what we were getting for all that money. At least now they can’t take our money then throw us under the bus!

  18. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    Congratulations Redding Fire Department. ABC news named you person of the week for your efforts during the Carr fire.

    • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

      And showed all those babies who were born to the firefighters’ wives. Quite a picture.

      • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

        Those babies were cute. What is strange to me is that all these keyboard investigators on ANews never seem to post the good news about Redding. Redding area has been highlighted in Sunset and VIA. Even on here when the Press Releases show good things happening in Redding there is lucky to be one post.

      • Avatar Linda Cooper says:

        Beverly, very cute. My first thought for a photo caption was, “renewal.”

  19. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    As I sit here melting in Arizona heat and reading about the surge in Pete Buttigreg’s presidential candidacy Will his spouse be called the “First Lady” if he wins?

  20. Avatar Candace C says:

    Bruce, the answer to your question is no because Pete Buttigieg’s husband is a man.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      First Gentleman sounds right to me. I really want to like Mayor Pete. He is probably the best and most honest politician of the bunch. It’s just a shame is policies are so far left.

  21. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    Holey Batman! Patricia is right, the new Israel Education Minister advocates gay conversion. He said he has preformed it and it works, doesn’t mention Bethel but I’m sure he will soon be on their website.

  22. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    Press release from the Flat Earth Society.
    “The Flat Earth Society has members all over the globe”.

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