Open Conversation for October, 2018

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34 Responses

  1. Joe Domke Joe Domke says:

    September’s Convo Cafe post reach the 50 comment limit so I increased the limit to 100 and published October’s early.

    Carry on.

  2. Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

    Thanks for that, Joe. Not that my comment was the least bit important, but I’m glad to know that it wasn’t my computer acting up. With what’s going on in Washington, we seem to have exceeded the previous 50-comment allocation.

  3. Steven Towers Steven Towers says:

    In reply to the September post about Hurricane Rosa, which I assume was the 50th: Batten down the hatches, Bruce!

    • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

      You assume wrong, Steve, there were three. Far less than the expert testimonies posted about Kavanaugh during September. But I’m sure those expert testimonies will exceed fifty in October.

  4. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    I have watched and read from all the so-called experts, including a body image expert here in Phoenix, that watched the testimonies on TV thousands of miles from DC and know who is telling the truth and who is lying at the Kavanaugh hearings.
    Where was all this Democratic outrage when a sitting President Bill Clinton took sexual advantage of an aide? And that prompted more women to come out about how Clinton made sexual advances against them even when he was Governor.
    The only difference between Bill Clinton and Brett Kavanaugh is one is a Democrat and the other is a Republican.
    You want to blame someone, blame Clinton. He showed a politician can get away with anything.

    • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

      Clinton is a Democrat, and his affair with Monica was consensual. Trump is a Republican, and his affairs were consensual according to his accusers. If Ford is to be believed, she was assaulted. The FBI vetted Kavanaugh, but they didn’t ask his high school friends about him. This week of FBI investigations should certainly include Mark Judge under oath and should prove which testimony is the truth.

    • Steven Towers Steven Towers says:

      A body language expert? If you believe a body language expert who claims to know the truth, I have a cantilever spar cable-stayed pedestrian bridge in Redding that’s for sale at a reasonable price. Want to buy it?

      Last time I checked, consensual sex between adults—even where there is a huge power asymmetry—is less egregious than sexual assault. Only one is a crime.

      As far character in concerned, being a reckless horn-dog isn’t near the apex, but it stands well above being an aggressive sexual predator.

      The GOP is making it loud and clear that they’re okay with sexual predators, dating back to: “I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy….” —Donald Trump, 2005

      In case you don’t recall Trump’s “apology” on TV for those words, I’ll summarize the best parts: (1) He accused Bill Clinton (of course) of saying far worse, with zero substantiation. (2) He dismissed his bragging about sexually assaulting women by calling it “private locker room talk,” and that he was younger and less mature at the time. He was 59—my age today.

      Oh, and the latest is that Trump, after stating on camera that the FBI had a week to investigate ALL the accusations against Kavanaugh, has behind the scenes greatly restricted the breadth of who they can interview and which charges of assault they can investigate. A one-week restriction isn’t enough? Why leave any of the accusations hanging?

  5. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    The WH (Trump) and Senate Republicans determine the scope and duration of this investigation? The WH controls whether or not the FBI pursues noteworthy findings and leads beyond this arbitrary week-long deadline? I wouldn’t put it past this White House to even supply the FBI with approved questions and impose a limit of 4 persons to interview. We are seeing a BS Republican shame being pulled here. Nothing less.

    Trump wants Kavanaugh confirmed to save his own hide, obviously!

    The hope of the nation appears to be on Collins, Murkowski and Flake at this point, not the FBI.

    • Steven Towers Steven Towers says:

      Trump said: “They (the FBI) have free rein. They’re going to do whatever they have to do, whatever it is they do. They’ll be doing things that we have never even thought of. And hopefully at the conclusion everything will be fine.”

      Last night Trump said: “I want them (the FBI) to interview whoever they deem appropriate, at their discretion.” Trump tweeted that in response to an NBC News report citing multiple people familiar with the process who said the WH was limiting the scope of the current 1-week investigation.

      If I were the head of the FBI, I’d take his tweet as direction. He’s the POTUS—he decides. I’d tell my staff at the FBI that the WH underling who is speaking directly to them can take a flying f*** at a rolling donut.

      • Avatar Gary Tull says:

        The thing with him is, what he said yesterday may be quite the opposite of what he may say today or tomorrow… or what he said the day before yesterday. The Mueller investigation is closing walls in around him. Desperate con artists may say anything. Will the FBI hold him to any one of several vacillating directives or what?

      • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

        They should interview Lindsay Graham and find out why he is so adamant about appointing this particular judge to the Supreme Court. His rant at the hearing was really telling.

  6. Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

    What is it that we citizens – who are appalled by all this – can do? If, as I suspect may happen, Kavanaugh is appointed, voting these jokers out of office will be after the fact. We’ll still be stuck with what I assume is a sexual assaulter on the Supreme Court, and it’s bye-bye to Roe. Apparently impeachment is dicey and is voted on by the same geniuses who appointed him to the Supreme Court in the first place. Fox guarding the hen house?

  7. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    No matter what happens with this hearing, based on memories from parties thirty years ago where alcohol and drugs were abundant as has been stated. Dr. Ford said she had one beer, that is the same thing 99% of drivers pulled over for DUI’s say. Or maybe my news is different from yours or you overlooked the part about the alcohol and drugs being available.
    I don’t think Judge Kavanaugh should be nominated. His response to the accusations was very volatile and showed a temperament that I don’t think a Judge should have. And it takes no body language expert to see that.

    • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

      Your last sentence nailed my feeling exactly.

      On a much lighter note, I saw this, probably on a t-shirt:

      “The cop pulled me over and said, ‘You drinkin’? I said, ‘You buyin’? We laughed and laughed. I need bail money.”

    • Steven Towers Steven Towers says:

      My take-away, too. If it all comes down to he said/she said, Kavanaugh will get his promotion to SCOTUS. But he shouldn’t, because he revealed himself to be wholly unsuited for the job on his final day of testimony.

      Matt Damon nailed it on SNL. If you didn’t see it, you should watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRJecfRxbr8

  8. Avatar Candace C says:

    Beverly, To your point I’m surprised Graham hasn’t offered himself up to be interviewed by the FBI , he’s hell bent on being interviewed by any mic in a two foot radius. Personally I found his feigned moral indignation grandstanding laughable. I’m not too keen on Corey Booker’s grandstanding either but Trump’s golf buddy frothing at the mouth about morality and fairness? Nope.

  9. Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

    Well, ain’t we got fun. I’d like to impeach Kavanaugh even before he puts his left hand on the bible then follow that with impeaching all the Republicans and the couple of Democrats who confirmed him then POTUS who offered him up and for all the other stupid things he’s done to us. There goes Roe and women’s reproductive rights. I don’t recall anything like the protesting that’s being done now during the Clarence Thomas hearing when Anita Hill sacrificed herself – for all the good it did. Night night, everyone; sleep well knowing your government is there for you.

  10. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    I was reading an article in This Week, obviously left leaning, that pointed out all the terrible things Kavanaugh has done over the years. The article pointed out that Republicans knew this and hid it from the Democrats. It said the Democrats hadn’t been told about any of Kavanaugh’s misdeeds and that they only found out at the last minute. I know the Dems are not that clueless. It is part of the plan, used by both parties, to dig up all the dirt they can find on people and then hold on to it until they can use it when needed. We need to get rid of professional politicians. Go back to the day when all people had real jobs and did politics as a part time gig.

    • Steven Towers Steven Towers says:

      Term limits and getting rid of gerrymandering are two tactics that help limit career-politician aspirations. When gerrymandering goes away, you’re more likely to get voted out. If not, you eventually term out.

      Guess which party vehemently opposes term-limit laws and anti-gerrymandering laws as means of holding onto power?

      As for your thoughts on Kavenaugh and the Demos vs. the Repubs, I have these thoughts:

      1. I think you give the Demos WAAAAAY too much credit for their supposed skulduggery. They seem determined to remain the party of clueless, aimless bumble-fuckery.

      2. The problem with the Repubs isn’t that they hid Kavanaugh’s misdeeds. It’s that a great many don’t even seem to regard sexual assault as a misdeed. We’ll prior to most people even being aware that Kavanaugh existed, our POTUS openly bragged of the crime, and he got the GOP nomination and was elected (by the red-state electoral college, not the popular vote).

  11. Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

    Jindra’s Service Station had a sign: If your car is running, I’ll vote for it.

    I saw a flag flying at half staff yesterday. I made the assumption that it was because of Kavanaugh’s confirmation.

  12. Avatar Candace C says:

    Steve, “bumble****ery”
    Top of my top 10 best words!

  13. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    President Trump is in Mesa today for a Republican rally as the midterms approach. On Craiglist Jobs is an offer of $100 to attend the rally. The big race, with national implications, is the election of the first woman senator from Arizona. To say that the battle between Republican Martha Mcsally and Democrat Kyrsten Sinema has been dirty is an understatement as both sides are more interested in blaming the other than promoting what they will do.
    The rest of the midterm undercard basically refers to keeping Arizona as Arizona, Republicans, or changing Arizona to California, Democrats.
    A side note, approving more solar power, Prop 127, will take education money away from students. If Prop 127 passes the schools will have higher electric bills and have to use student monies to pay those bills. I find that hard to believe when every single school in Phoenix has covered parking with solar panels on the top.
    The only thing to come out of the midterms will be to show how divided this nation is.

  14. Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

    I gotta ask: is anyone else totally frustrated with Windows10? What happened to the simplicity of Windows7? Put an icon/shortcut onto the desktop? Maybe if you’re lucky; maybe not mostly. I’d like to close with “end of rant,” but it appears there is a never-ending rant in store with Win10. This seems as impossible as Vista was.

    • Steven Towers Steven Towers says:

      When I left my previous firm 10 years ago and started my own firm, I bought Macs and never looked back. Only our GIS analyst has to use Windows—she suffers through every upgrade.

      • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

        One computer guru told me that there are programs that can be installed that make Win10 “act like” Win7. I don’t want to attempt that without a guru at my elbow. I am a bit less frustrated today than I was yesterday, but, like your GIS lady, users shouldn’t have to suffer this much. Even though he is long gone from Microsoft, I still blame Bill Gates for every computer problem I’ve ever had.

  15. Avatar Linda Cooper says:

    I acquired a Mac after I retired just so I wouldn’t have to deal with the constant upgrades with Microsoft. However, the learning curve with the Mac has been frustrating. Someone told me they don’t like Apple because the software is always “trying to force you into a direction.” Not sure what that means exactly. Anyway, I feel your frustration, Beverly.

    • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

      Thanks, Linda. In attempting to have Win10 do everything – anything, actually – Win7 did so easily, I’ve asked several questions via Google. Invariably the answers are to the effect that Microsoft deleted that particular program or function whatever, and it is no longer available. One person stated that these Microsoft problems won’t be solved until Win12 is released. Years ago when that abomination called Vista was released, my sister had a friend who worked at Microsoft. Friend said that even most of his fellow employees refused to use Vista.