Open Conversation for February, 2020

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159 Responses

  1. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    And in New York City protesters are causing damage and assaulting police because they want FREE rides on the MTA. Now where did they get that idea for free stuff?

    • Avatar Damon Miller says:

      Probably from suburban and rural folk who cruise around on toll-free roads and enjoy free parking, since federal road expenditures are not fully paid for by gas taxes. The same is thing is true in most (all?) states, including New York.

      • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

        Actually those protesters are clashing and harassing the suburban and rural folk who pay to ride the MTA and pay taxes.

        • Avatar Damon Miller says:

          Democracy is messy. The fact is, cities are economic engines and suburbs could not exist without massive subsidies from people in cities. Way to ignore my point, which was the overwhelming majority of roads are free while transit is not.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            One of the reasons California’s gas prices are almost twice of the rest of the country is for our ever increasing gas tax. In our state, 25% of the gas tax goes to ‘Transit, rail and active transportation programs’. 30% of the funding from the gas tax goes to categories that won’t directly improve roads for cars and trucks, as dictated by the law.

            Federal gas tax does the same. We currently pay 18.4 cents a gallon in federal taxes. Congress has allowed or directed millions of dollars in highway funds to be diverted to projects unrelated to building or maintaining roads and bridges, such as construction of visitor centers and nature trails AND transit. The problem is not that the gas tax is too low… the problem is that gas tax revenue is siphoned off to pay for projects unrelated to roads and bridges.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Damon..the Highway Trust Fund has two accounts, the Highway Account which funds road construction and and a ‘Mass Transit Account’ which supports mass transit.

            I linked the current item breakdown of the current Hiway Trust fund account. In it you will see over a billion dollars transferred to Land and Water Conservation, To Sport Fish Restoration and Boating. Another billion transferred to the above mentioned Mass Transit account….so no, I am not wrong.
            https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinformation/statistics/2016/fe10.cfm

          • Avatar Damon Miller says:

            That’s income from the sale of gasoline for motorboats, Doug. https://fisheries.org/2015/11/gasoline-taxes-fisheries/

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug, nothing you tease out of the revenue flowchart overcomes the fact that we rural California counties are economic parasites. Bottom line, we send far less money to Sacramento than we get back.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            I agree with you Steve. I was just making the point that we also pay taxes for transit with our gas tax

    • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

      Well Bruce, as always there is more to that story than your ultra-right-wing media sources imply.

      In actuality they are protesting the police brutalization of a 15-year-old and other people of color who are targeted heavily by race because police suspect them of not paying fares. The City of New York is also proposing to add 500 police officers to the 2,500 who already patrol the subways at a cost of an additional $50 Million a year, with a main objective of cracking down on even more people who may be evading fares. Instead of spending $50 Million a year for more cops to enforce fares, why not apply that money toward making the subways free?

      • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

        Patricia, how do you figure that minorities are being targeted for not paying the MTA fares that others, including many minorities, pay. Your left wing sources are hoaxes.
        Those protesters actually want no subway police officers so they can violate the rules law abiding citizens follow.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        “… there is more to that story than your ultra-right-wing media sources imply.”

        Since he didn’t supply the source…how do you know it was a ‘ultra-right wing source’? I read the same story in the apparently ultra right wing NY Times.

        • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

          The story was reported in several news and TV sources, right wing and left wing.
          The left has painted a bullseye on police and I stand with the police.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Americans spent almost $4 trillion on healthcare last year, so $3 trillion would amount to a $1 trillion savings. And that savings is conservative. If we spent per-capita what most Northern European countries spend (for better care), we’d save even more—closer to $2 trillion.

      To put $1 trillion savings in perspective, it’s well less than the entire bloated DOD budget.

      It’s not so much that conservatives are ever satisfied with the status quo. It’s that the prospect of meaningful change causes them to lose control of their bowels in fear.

  2. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    And at a Sanders rally in Iowa, Tlaib of The Squad showed more class than anyone as she booed the left wing favorite Hillary Clinton.

  3. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    Clinton feuds with Sanders, Warren feuds with Sanders, Trump supporters are more worried about Sanders than the other Democrat candidates. And now the DNC is changing the rules to allow Bloomberg to be in the Las Vegas debate.
    Sounds like the DNC is trying to sabotage Sanders, again.

    • Avatar Candace says:

      Bruce, I agree. Bad form DNC.

      • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

        Candace, I don’t see how Sanders Socialistic plan could work but people a lot smarter than me seem to fear him. Maybe Sanders is “The One”.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          My biggest problems with Sanders are (1) I don’t think he can get elected, and (2) I don’t think he could get Congress to work with him if he did manage to beat Trump. The arrogant, scoldy, grumpy old man persona is too much to overcome.

  4. Avatar Candace says:

    My son lives in Queens. The subway is a crumbling money pit and needs to be structurally fixed from the top down. Raising fares, adding 500 police to an already heavy subway police presence and then actively seeking out and punishing those who can’t afford the fare (or are simply suspected of not paying) with fines and oft reported over-the-top, dangerous law enforcement responses only serves to exacerbate and hi light racial/classist inequities and throw more gas on the fire. As with most things, people of color and the working poor are the people most ( not ALL) adversely affected. To me it’s not a “left” or “right” issue, it’s a class issue, a racial issue, a further criminalization of poverty. Since I’m neither poor or a person of color I’ll never know what it feels like to ride the New York Subway as such or what it feels like to be deathly afraid of the police. Talk about living with a target on your back. FYI, just in case someone reading this wonders – no, I’m not a cop hater, and yes, I realize all police aren’t white (can’t believe I have to say that). I don’t have the answer as to how to fund NY subway repairs (although free public transportation is something other cities have looked at and are still looking at). I don’t promote violence by the far left or the far right. That said, I’ve never had to experience just cause to be that angry. I don’t pretend to know what that feels like. Others obviously have and do. Different colors of skin, different opportunities, different realities. Different righteous anger.

  5. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    Candace, public transit is crumbling in a lot of cities amid peaceful protests. The NYC protest was picked by masked ANTIFA outsiders in their latest rampage and is no different than the white power groups who travel to other areas to protest peaceful demonstrations.
    The answer to these transit problems will have to be solved politically and require money, where is that money going to come from?
    Do we really need to spend billions on the latest attempt to send a rover to a distant planet?

    • Avatar Damon Miller says:

      The only people who need to be afraid of antifa are fascists and the people who love them (who, not coincidentally, are also fascists).

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        Just because they call themselves anti fascists does not mean they are. Their actions are exactly fascist. It’s like calling the KKK a civil rights organization. Rioting on college campuses to stop free speech is exactly fascist. Yelling at and intimidating an 80 year old woman crossing a street in a walker is fascist and a reason some should be afraid of them. I’m not because they are nothing but young stupid punks. I spend a lot of time in Portland where I have seen them in action. The funny thing is, they are more than likely part of the Russians plan to stir trouble in our country. So tell me, Damon. What has antifa done to make you proud? What violent acts or attacks are you in favor of?

      • Avatar The Old Pretender says:

        Agreed. Anti-fascists meet the enemy in the street. Protecting brutality of neo-nazis under the guise of free speech is a tool of the fascist sympathizer. I too spend time in Portland, and am proud of the defense of our democracy by the forces of anti-fascism. The likes of Proud Boys, who persecute innocent minorities under the protection of the local police (notoriously bigoted in PDX for generations) are to be brought to bear by pressures from those who risk persecution for protecting a complacent citizenry against forces of fascism and corporatist puppets. Revolution sucks, but sometimes you need to stir some shit to make people realize the true danger they are in.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          The Proud Boys are thugs, the same as antifa. So tell me…what exactly is antifa protecting us from? Keeping us from conservative speakers on universities? Is antifa protecting you from Ben Shapiro, to try and keep him from giving a speech?? Was that 80 year old woman pushing s a walker to cross a street to hear a speaker…was she a danger to our democracy? You are being played for a fool by the Russians if you believe that

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Doug,

            Are you still trotting out that staged gimmick with the old woman? As I recall anti-fascists in Canada were protesting a far-right-wing, racist, violence-inciting, Nazi-supported candidate for Prime Minister – very much like Trump. They were repeating a chant that could be heard throughout the demonstration when three of them were approached by an elderly woman pushing a walker (and her camera person, obviously) who kept ramming her walker into the legs of one of the protestors – no doubt hoping to incite them into some sort of violent action. Instead the protestors just moved a few feet and continued to chant. Meanwhile the man she was with harranged the protestors, but of course what he’s saying isn’t audible on this staged video. It took no time at all before the internet was loaded with videos of this poor “victim” complaining about how she was “harassed” (as planned).

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Staged gimmick. That’s ridiculous

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            The gentleman they were trying to listen to was Maxime Bernier, the leader of the conservative party in Canada. I ask you to look into his history and show me any proof that he is in your words a, “…far-right-wing, racist, violence-inciting, Nazi-supported candidate” Show me why he shouldn’t have been allowed to speak. Good gawd Patrecia.

        • Avatar Candace says:

          Old Pretender, seeing as what just happened, happened, with our elected leaders permitting a corrupt president to go unchecked, I’d venture some people are definitely experiencing a wake up call regarding the danger of presidential abuse of power and an administration that allows it. My guess is a number of people are hoping for “a revolution without a revolution” because you’re correct in that revolution “sucks”. Bigly.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Candace, the system worked. President Trump wasn’t a dictator or fascist regarding impeachment. Our Democratic system, our Constitution worked. Just because you don’t like the results doesn’t mean that s revolution is needed. Don’t like the president…vote him out of office. But when you have one of the leading Democrat candidates saying they will let s 9 year old trans student interview the Secy of Education candidate and give them veto power…good luck with winning

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            The system worked as designed. Not as intended.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            “The system worked as designed. Not as intended.”

            According to you it didn’t work as intended. just because you didn’t get the outcome you desired doesn’t mean the system didn’t work.
            Should we have impeached FDR over his executive order to intern American citizens in internment camps? Was that an abuse of power. I can come up with abuse of power for every President. Let’s see… Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus. impeachable? You betcha. I can go on with others…but you get the idea.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — First of all, I didn’t say the system didn’t work. I said it worked as designed.

            As for the intensions of the Founders, it didn’t work. Hamilton was the most persuasive when it came to including the need for impeachment. Federalist 69 lays out the need, and most responsible for what is included in the Constitution.

            Later (1792), while serving as Sect. of the Treasury, Hamilton justified the impeachment article with this:

            “When a man unprincipled in private life, desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper . . . despotic in his ordinary demeanour — known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty — when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity — to join in the cry of danger to liberty — to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion — to flatter and fall in with all the nonsense of the zealots of the day — It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may ‘ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.'”

            Sound like anyone we know?

            Lastly, as I’ve said before, I think FDR was eminently impeachable, and for actions going well beyond the internment camps alone. But FDR was fighting the threats of worldwide economic depression and worldwide fascism. Similar, Lincoln faced the existential threat to the nation’s survival. Trump sold out the nation’s strategic interests for his own personal gain. Some of us recognize the difference.

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Old Preacher — I have mixed feelings about Antifa.

          If you stand toe-to-toe against fascist thugs in the streets of Portand and yell, “Bring it, mofo!” to the Proud Boy with the “white power” ink opposite you, maybe you’re brave, like the people who actually stood up to the NAZIs when they were on the rise in Germany.

          If you run down the street wearing a mask while smashing the windows of Starbucks and Crate & Barrel shops, blind-siding mailmen and meter maids because uniforms, maybe you’re not so brave. Maybe you’re just a pathetic loser @$$hole.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Steve, if you look at any You Tube videos of antifa, you’ll see they are far from brave. Just a bunch of young punks and as you say, pathetic loser @$$holes. Bring up the video of one of those losers attacking a 80 year old woman. Patrecia, amazingly thinks she was the aggressor, but for a young punk shouting at the top of his lungs, “Effing Nazi!!” to a little old lady is not being brave. As I have said, I have seen them first hand in Portland….not a brave bunch dedicated to stopping fascism. Just young punks with no jobs, living in mommies basement causing trouble.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — I think you define “Antifa” more narrowly than I do. I’ve seen video of people standing up to the Proud Boys, toe-to-toe—and since they’re staring down fascists, I include them broadly as Antifa.

            If you want to cherry-pick—excuse me…define Antifa as only the worst behaved of the anti-fascists—that’s certainly your prerogative.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      BART is in the same situation. They have increased police presence after a murder last year on the train. BART has been flooded by street people in the stations, riding trains, harassing commuters. Ridership is way down on BART

    • Avatar Anita L Brady says:

      So you take issue with the spending for Trump’s Space Force?

  6. Avatar Candace says:

    Doug, guess we’ll just have to agree to completely disagree about our system working as it was designed. Enjoy your Sunday.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Meh…im working today. Not much to enjoy. But yes ..I am proud of the way the system worked. It shows the genius of our Founding Fathers and it worked the way they intended it to.

  7. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    I spent Super Bowl Sunday taking advantage—4th row seats to “Hamilton” in SF. If you get a chance, GO. Hugely entertaining, hilarious, and moving…the woman next to me was stifling sobs toward the end and I was like, “Lady, please….that $#!+ is contagious!” I had to look up at the ceiling a couple of times to compose myself.

    The play reinforces two facets of history that we already know: (1) Rancorous, extreme political divisions in this country are nothing new, but at the outset, when we needed to, we pulled together. (2) The quality of our leadership has declined from a collection of brave, brilliant revolutionary intellectuals to a buffoonish, boorish, thin-skinned, cowardly, crass, unread mirror-worshiper.

    That’s not to say the Founders didn’t have personal ambitions—Hamilton’s ambitions and what he had to surmount in order to succeed are the heart of the play—but they also had other positive attributes, unlike the majority of today’s politicians.

    I would pay money just to see Jefferson and King George played for laughs again—so funny. I suppose that makes me a groundling.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      I have enjoyed many plays in SF. The last time I went, the street people situation was so bad on the sidewalks that I vowed not to return until they cleaned up the streets. It was disgusting. How was it Sunday? getting to the theatre?

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        We walked to the Orpheum from our B&B, about 2 miles, and both my wife and I were surprised that the density of homeless people on the streets appear to be far less than in Redding. We didn’t see a singe homeless person in our neighborhood, which was in the area of Divisadero (not gritty, but not the most tony neighborhood, either), nor in the portion of the south Filmore District we traversed. We also walked through the Hayes Valley neighborhood (relatively upscale) on the way to the theater and saw one homeless person. It wasn’t until we got to Market Street that it started resembling a Redding-scale problem. We actually witnessed one guy sticking a needle in his arm on Market Street—a new experience for my wife (I’ve seen it a couple times here in Redding).

        We spend about 6 weekends per year in The City. It’s really under and near the freeways, in both SF and the East Bay, where the homeless problem is more horrific than here in Redding. It’s also bad in SF in the Union Square area, which is adjacent to the Theater District (not the Orpheum).

        BTW, the Orpheum is magnificent…other than the Fenway Park seating. People were smaller back in the 1920s.

  8. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    Democrats want to run the country, but they can’t seem to be able to count votes in a small state? Hilarious. This will fan the flames of a Democrat party anti-Sanders conspiracy.

    • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

      Voters who aren’t die-hard members of Trump’s base (white male supremacists, Old Testament-banging fundamentalists) aren’t missing all the contortions Republican legislators are employing that supposedly justify leaving a thoroughly corrupt mafia-style criminal in office. And of course they’ve successfully blocked evidence that would further nail down the case against this deranged sociopath.

      They’re tying to slither out of doing the right thing by claiming that what he’s done is “wrong”, or even “terrible”, but that nothing rises to the level of an impeachable offense. What are they waiting for? Since Trump is clearly so demented and without conscience that the world only exists in his diseased mind to serve him and his interests, are they waiting for him to launch a nuclear war without the knowledge and approval of Congress? (like other of his military actions). Or maybe they’re waiting for him to carry out his threat to murder asylum-seekers en masse at the border. Who is the next country’s president he’ll attempt to blackmail for personal gain?

    • Avatar Larry Winter says:

      The volunteers (socialism) for the most part did a good job. When they tried using the capitalists app is when it all went wrong.
      Capitalists want to run the country but they can’t seem to count votes in a small state?
      Lol.

    • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

      Doug, it already has as the Dems are blaming each other for the debacle and Bloomberg is going to double down on ads due to the Iowa fumble. NH has regained it’s First in the Nation status.

  9. Avatar Candace says:

    Off topic but thought I’d throw this out there to see what I get back. Hoping for thoughtful, measured feedback. I’m struggling with a yes or no vote on Measure A ( 1% sales tax). Helping to fund firefighting resources is a no-brainer yes vote for me and like all people I want to feel safe in my home and out in my community. My struggle is with having the gnawing feeling that this tax will go more towards the criminalization of homelessness rather than going towards lifting those that want help out of the cycle that keeps them homeless. Also, what do “medication assisted rehab” during incarceration and after programs look like? Are they punitive based? No? Who will choose who sits on an independent watchdog advisory board if A is passed? I’ll more than likely vote yes due to fire safety but I’m feeling uneasy about the flip side of that coin as far as the mentally ill and other vulnerable segments of our homeless population. Anyone out there having the same concerns as me? No? Again, looking for thoughtful, informed weigh-in. Thanks in advance.

    • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

      Candace they are having a big debate over those assisted rehab programs here in Phoenix and I know in Cheyenne they had problems with one downtown including a small bomb set off by one of the clients. The more I hear on these clinics the more I thing they are run by profit making carpetbaggers, just another well intentioned program ruined by scammers.
      As far as the homeless in California I think the only answer is to move them to someplace more affordable, but where?

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

        Bruce,

        If you fell on hard times and lost your home, would you want some government agency to make the decision to send you to another state?

        • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

          Patricia, there is in California no affordable housing for the homeless because it is too expensive and would require a lot of public money. I know you get the same news I get and are aware the same thing is happening here in Phoenix as the city is tearing down mobile home parks and single family homes to build luxury condos.
          Even Utah with there Housing First program has run out of money but they did get 2600 homeless families into housing before they ran out of money.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      If I lived in Redding I’d vote yes—I have a hard time imagining what the City would do to the homeless that be more punitive than the horrific status quo. I would hope the City leaders would be smart enough to do some research and conclude that a “housing first” program is essential for achieving any measure of success. But I understand that will be a tough sell in a part of California where 60% of the voters want Biblical retribution, Biblical retribution, and more Biblical retribution.

      • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

        The Yes on A advertisement we locals are getting in the mail suggest the 1 cent tax increase will solve homelessness, stop crime and create a Nirvana in our area.

        If that were the case it would pass overwhelmingly.

        In reality I doubt it will have a positive effect.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Candace, I will probably vote YES on this measure, despite my aversion to tax increases. I am with Bruce in my reluctance about assisted rehab programs. Many appear to be scams taking advantage of government funding. There is a lack of national standards and less than optimal oversight of these facilities.

      When I was on the Shasta Grand Jury. We attended the graduation ceremonies of the Shasta County Addicted Offender Program. This is a tough 18 month program that upon successful completion of the program, the graduates get their felonies drug convictions reduced to misdemeanors. You can’t leave that graduation ceremony with a dry eye. This program actually works.

      You mention the ‘criminalization of homelessness’. There is help out there for those that need a helping hand. The problem is that we have been enablers for the homeless. We give them money so they can feed their drug and alcohol addictions. Making it so a person finds it much easier to continue in unhealthy behavior rather than change can be wrong. I saw an interview of a woman living in the Parkview Park area…She had a sad story of losing her apartment and forced to live on the streets. Towards the end of the interview, she admitted that the reason she was evicted was because she was using and selling heroin out of the apartment. I kinda lost my empathy for her. The way to cure the homeless problem is not allow abhorrent behavior from the homeless and make excuses for them. It is time to hold them accountable, we shouldn’t make it easy for them to live wherever they want. That just may force them to make the tough steps to fix their addictions.

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

        Doug,

        In most cases (aside from the provably MINOR – but highly visible – element you focus exclusively on), what “cures” homelessness is affordable housing. Local officials ignored recommendations from Housing First experts, and even refused to accept their challenge to house just five people to see if the program is a good fit for the area.

        The Woodlands (a well-maintained, carefully supervised subsidized supportive apartment complex in Redding) is doing very well. The only problem is that Redding needs twenty more just like it.

  10. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    Could the Democrats look any more pathetic during the SOTU? Pelosi tearing up his speech at the end was the topper. Pelosi has disgraced herself, her office, and the House yet again. She thought it was a great symbolic move tearing up the speech. It will end up haunting her and her party.

    By the way, excellent speech by the president. Democrats have to be worried

    • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

      To funny.
      Doug sees disgrace in Pelosi shredding trumps speech, but refuses to see the shredding trump has done to our constitution.
      The fact democrats even endured the lies and bravado trump took for achievements he claimed in the hour and a half rally , speaking to those defenders of ignorance, and racism, says more for the democrats than it does for the pompous republicans with hundred dollar bills in place of handkerchiefs in their suit coats could ever say.
      displayed in their

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        Chad, I didn’t say it was disgraceful…which it actually was…I said it was pathetic and shows the pettiness of the Democrat party. Remember the outrage from the left when a GOP representative shouted out ‘lie’ during Obama’s speech? But you are fine with the disrespect and and childish behavior of the left tonight? Oh yes…the left wing talking point of shredding the Constitution. You have to do better than that Chad. Remember way back when…you said to me the GOP may never win another election? This week shows the folly of that statement. The mistake of the impeachment, the weak line up of presidential candidates, poll numbers climbing for the president all but spells a 2020 rout for the president.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      I thought Pelosi’s shredding of the speech was petulant and juvenile. But spare me the outrage, Repubs. She could commit similar acts 1,000 times and still be well short of Trump’s count of petulantly, juvenile acts and statements.

  11. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    During the State of the Union address Trump awarded the Presidential Metal of Honor to RUSH LIMBAUGH. Why am I not surprised that he gave the highest civilian award to a flaming racist, misogynistic, xenophobic hate radio host?

    And of course he also lied about his contribution to the economy, took credit for Obama administration achievements, and touted robbing public schools of funding in favor of pouring money into what will be mainly inferior fundamentalist church schools that are subject to no public oversight.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      (sigh) Yes Patrecia, I got it…you believe every Republican, including me are flaming racists, misogynists and xenophobes. You left out that we are Nazis too. Good grief.

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

        Doug Cook,

        Of course I never said that. However, Rush Limbaugh is the virtual Poster Boy for all of the traits I mentioned above.

        Fact Checkers are having a field day with all the self-serving lies and misrepresentations in Trump’s State of the Union address. And naturally you see nothing “disgraceful” in Trump’s refusal to shake Pelosi’s hand (well BEFORE she tore up his speech of lies).

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          I believe Trump not shaking Pelosi’s hand was not on purpose. I watched it back a few times and it looks like he turned just as she put her hand out. He didn’t shake Pence’s hand either. I also believe that Pelosi should be censured for her tearing up the speech. How do you think that looks to Middle America? You think that act will garner any votes in 2020? The Democrats can’t be any more self destructive.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Doug Cook,

            You’re just full of excuses for Trump (no matter what he does, or how obvious it is). And I’d say well over half of America is cheering Pelosi. Many of those “middle Americans” haven’t fared very well under Trump.

            https://tcf.org/content/commentary/trump-claims-economy-best-ever-11-facts-tell-different-story/?session=1

          • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

            ”Pelosi should be censured for her tearing up the speech. How do you think that looks to Middle America?”

            OK. I represent middle America, and I thought it was an act of disgust at the many lies he spoke, the facts he twisted and the target of his message.
            Clearly trump has no desire to bring the country together.
            Clearly he was speaking to his base. Who by the way do not understand the difference between fact and fiction.
            Trump used the moment to reinforce his base.
            Middle America can see the difference between honesty and bravad.

            Tearing up the speech was a obvious act of telling the country what we think of your BS Mr. trump.

  12. Avatar Jobe says:

    Must be them Russian’s again. Dems will pull every dirty trick known. Remember the
    Hanging chide !

  13. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    President Pete, has a nice ring to it. Let’s see how long it takes the DNC to sabotage Buttigieg’s campaign. It must really frost the DNC that the two top candidates are Pete and Bernie.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      I really want to like Mayor Pete. He is easily the best politician and most cogent of the bunch. I just wish he wasn’t as far left as he is. If he was more moderate, he could pull in a lot of Independents.

  14. Avatar Steve Towers says:

    For me, the toughest part of Trump’s SOTU address was listening to him take credit for the economic trends that he inherited from Obama and merely kept riding, while repeatedly claiming that he’d reversed Obama’s failed policies.

    Trump is the most dishonest, cruel, egotistical, uneducated buffoon of a POTUS since Andrew Jackson. And at least Jackson was a military hero.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      When Trump was elected, all we heard was how the economy will crash, the stock market will crash, WWIII will break out. None of that happened, Presidents take credit for strong economies. They all do. Obama’s economic policies extended the recession. I’m sure if it was Hillary in office, you would give her credit. Sorry Steve, but this ‘uneducated buffoon is going to easily waltz into a 2nd term because of the buffoonery of the Democrats. Pelosi’s stunt will come back to haunt the party. The Dems have given Trump quite a few of great TV ad material.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Yeah, Bush II’s policies don’t get the blame for the economy imploding at the end of his 8-year reign, but Obama’s policies get the blame for extending the Bush II near depression. No rabid partisanship there.

        Thanks largely to three-outrages-per-day Trump, Pelosi’s act will have a half-life of about 4 hours. Trump soliciting election interference from furriners and being the 3rd POTUS to be impeached for that crime isn’t even going to stick. You think Pelosi tearing up some paper will?

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Who’s policy of pushing sub prime loans was the catalyst for the housing crash? Wasn’t Bush.
          The accumative effect of the Trump Derangement Syndrome by Pelosi and the Democrats will be a factor in the election. You think it was a slam dunk that Trump committed the crimes you speak of. If he did, Schiff would have charged him with actual crimes. He did not. It’s over Steve. Impeachment was a big fail for the Democrats. Trump’s approval rating is at 49%… Democrats are on their way to nominate a candidate that can’t win a general election. So yes… Pelosi’s stupid act will continue to resonate with the country. I always respected her for being a smart, shrewd politician. She is losing it now. She has lost control of her party

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            The legal theory of the current Attorney General is that a POTUS can’t be charged with actual crimes. And Schiff charged him with impeachable offenses, which is all he could do.

            Further, the Government Accountability Office said Trump violated the law by withholding money allocated to Ukraine by Congress. It doesn’t help the case trumpeted by Trump sycophants that he intentionally failed to notify Congress that he was doing so, because he knew it was an unlawful, slime-ball play that wouldn’t be tolerated.

            But Doug, you go ahead and keep claiming that it never happened. Or that it happened, but no crime was committed. Or that a crime was committed, but it wasn’t an impeachable offense. Or that….

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            The Great Recession of 2008 was a direct result of Republican-sponsored deregulation.

            The Glass-Steagall Act (both Democrats) was enacted in 1933 during the Great Depression. The Republican Congress passed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (all Republicans) in 1999, repealing Glass-Steagall. The stupidest thing Clinton ever did was to not veto the bill.

            In 2010 Obama signed the Dodd-Frank Act (all Democrats), which re-established regulatory oversight of banks and mortgage lenders. Since taking office, the Trump administration has been trying to gut it.

            On top of that, Trump complained bitterly since almost his first day in office that the Fed wouldn’t do his bidding and slash the prime interest rate in order to further boost the humming economy he inherited, so that he could brag of taking a hot economy and making it white hot. He only stopped when he found out he could brag about the status quo trajectory, pretending he created it, and his constituents would buy it.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Steve, even President Obama said repeal of Glass Steagal had nothing to do with the crash.
            “…during the recent financial crisis, commercial bank failures were largely driven by credit losses on real estate loans. The banks that failed generally pursued high??risk business strategies that combined nontraditional funding sources with aggressive subprime lending. Glass??Steagall would not have stopped any of this.”

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Obama was wrong.

            Obama continued the Clintonian tradition of carrying Wall Street’s water. Nobody’s perfect. You won’t catch me defending anything Obama (or Hillary) had to say in defense of Wall Street.

            During the 2008 crash, Lehman Brothers went bankrupt. Merrill Lynch, AIG, Bear Stearns, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, and other Wall Street banks would have too, without being rescued. It wasn’t sub-prime lending to homeowners that sunk the big Wall Street (and British) banks. It was leverage-mania the did them in.

            There had been 120 banking crises involving bad lending between 1970 and the big crash—all had been fended off by the strength of the banks. At the time of the crash subprime loans were 0.005 of the assets of the big banks—a piddling. But when they went bad, it exposed the REAL problems. The reason for the crash was the staggering vulnerability of Wall Street, thanks to deregulation. The entire banking system was catastrophically undercapitalised and illiquid. As of 2008, Wall Street didn’t have the reserve muscle to fight off a mouse.

            The post-crash independent Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission (established by Congress) blamed the crash on a combination of historic deregulation of finance and recklessness by (greedy) bank executives.

            And let’s not forget that it was also big insurance companies (e.g., AIG) that went tits-up in the lake in the collapse, for the same reason—recklessly leveraging their assets. It wasn’t just the banks.

            So yeah, Doug. Nice try, but bzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong.

            And now Trump wants to do away with the Volker Rule. That’s the post-crash regulation that prohibits the big banks from gamboling with their own money. They can prudently invest the money on behalf of their customers, but they can’t recklessly gambol with their own assets. Trump wants to re-open the casinos on Wall Street. Moron.

      • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

        You are not allowed to get away with revisionist history Doug.
        When trump was elected and during the run up to election the issue was not the economy.
        America was on the cusp of a very good economy.
        The major concern about trump was his disgraceful past, his cheating the system with planned bankruptcy schemes, his cheating small time contractors and vendors, his history of racism toward president Obama, Jewish residents in his rental apartments, did I mention his own words about grabbing women by the p…….y, or so, so many vile actions and words, and lastly his zero experience in governing which has been on display since day one and gives cause for his being removed from office.

        Doug, sorry you are guilty of rewriting history history to benefit trump.
        The middle class does not accept it.

        • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

          Of course. It was Trump’s vast proven corruption in his business dealings, his long history of blatant racism (front-and-center in his campaign), his open incitements to violence (which are responsible for multiple deaths and countless injuries), the fact that he’s an admitted serial sex criminal, his contempt for women in general, his promises to give right-wing “Christians” special privileges and treatment (boy has he delivered on that one), his ridicule of a disabled reporter, his plans to violate the basic rights of gay people, women, and other groups (another promise he’s delivering on in spades), his endless lies, his lack of transparency, and his obvious mental derangement.

          In my opinion (and in the opinions of decent people everywhere) Trump is a monster, and the people who constantly excuse and defend him are no better. When Trump is booted from office it’s going to take a tremendous amount of time and effort to replace all the lunatic religious right-wingers he’s virtually turned our federal government over to, and to undo all the damage he’s caused in general. The federal court system could be unsalvageable, and the Supreme Court may need to be expanded.

          • Avatar Gary Tull says:

            Not to simply pile on but I think the ‘Trump University’ scam should be noted as well. It was finalized when a California federal judge declared it a FRAUDULENT SCHEME and no other than con-man “Stable Genius” himself was court-ordered to settle with victims to the tune of 25 million in 2016.

            That is partly why it frustrates me to no end when I hear Repub defenders say, “Well, the Left wanted him out from the day he was inaugurated”.

            Well, yes indeed we did. For very good reasons right along!

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Yes Patrecia. That is why the Democrats lost in 2016 and will once again lose in 2020. The arrogant mindset that 61 million voters that don’t agree with you are are uneducated. You haven’t learned any lessons, have you?

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          “The middle class does not accept it”

          It was the middle class that elected him. And will reelect him. It is the Democrats that abandoned the middle class. That is why they lost. You think Sander’s policies will help the Middle class? How much will our taxes rise under Sanders?

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Doug Cook,

            Trump voters were generally the least educated white people in the country (not the middle class) – including the white evangelicals who put him over the top.

  15. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    The white outfits were okay, but if the female democrats in Congress really wanted to make a statement at the SOTU Address, they should have worn those weird frocks and hats from The Handmaid’s Tale.

  16. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    I have no buyers remorse over my write in vote for president in 2016, Mitt Romney. And I will probably write him in again as he has stood tall above all the other DC clowns.

    • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

      I agree with your assessment of Romney’s standing tall.
      He stood with the correct side of justice today. The Democrats.

    • Avatar Gary Tull says:

      What is the point in writing someone in who is not running for the office you are writing him in for?

    • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

      It is ironic how Senator Romney stood and said how his faith and belief in God left him no choice but to convict Trump and join the Democrats who are so afraid of the mention of God that they want to kill religion.
      Senator Romney showed people whether they are Mormon, Christian, Catholic, Muslim, Buddist or any other religion that following their faith is not always easy but it is the right and moral thing to do.

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

        Ridiculous statement Bruce. Democrats simply want to keep religion from controlling government, and forcing the general population to live according to its dictates. Everyone in this country is still perfectly free to worship and believe as they choose.

        • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

          Patricia, as usual anyone who disagrees with you is somehow ridiculous.

          • Avatar Larry Winter says:

            Bruce, this is a patently ridiculous statement. “the Democrats who are so afraid of the mention of God that they want to kill religion.

            Patrecia didn’t call you ridiculous, just your statement. She even explained why she thought so.

            But you just blew it off as Patrecia being Patrecia. Kind of a go to argument when you have nothing else.

          • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

            Larry, Patricia calling my statement as ridiculous is her opinion but to follow that with a false statement that the Democrats say people are free to worship and believe as they choose, she should have added but only if they do so as the Democrats dictate.

          • Avatar Larry Winter says:

            Bruce, your statement is ridiculous. It’s not an opinion to call BS on unsupported, outrageous claims that doesn’t even recognize that Democrats are capable of being religious themselves.
            But you say they want to “kill” religion. Ridiculous.

            The Constitution provides protections against State backed religious mandates as it also protects religious freedoms. So when she says that everyone is still perfectly free to worship and believe as they choose, it does come with Constitutional restraints.
            Blaming some Democrats for attempting to enforce those restraints is not akin to do as the Democrats dictate. It’s what the Constitution dictates. Republicans also use the Constitution to adjudicate laws that they feel are an overreach. That’s how it works. There is no Democratic policy to “kill religion”. My Congressman Huffman is only one of a few national politicians that publicly claims to be a Humanist. Not a believer. And even he isn’t out to “kill religion”.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            Bruce,

            Please tell me how anyone is being prevented from worshipping as they choose in their churches, homes, or in any other private venue to which they’ve been invited? They’ve even been able to do whatever they want in their businesses up to this point as long as the don’t violate federal anti-discrimination laws. However, Trump is fixing that. Soon they will be able to humiliate and upset unsuspecting people who walk into businesses that supposedly serve the public without consequence.

      • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

        Bruce — I challenge you to find a Democratic candidate for President, or really any prominent Democratic politician in DC, who is afraid to mention God, or—even farther out in left field—says they want to “kill religion.”

        The only prominent Democratic politician on the national stage who has been widely called “non-theist” is your state’s Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, and she’s far more comfortable embracing the label “bisexual” than “non-theist.”

        I would argue that conservatives exhibit far greater religious hostility than liberals—it’s just that they aim it mostly at non-Christians, those sects of Christianity they consider “cults” (often including LDS), and to an unreciprocated degree at liberal Christian denominations.

  17. Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

    Trump should have been impeached for the this alone (he’s obviously either utterly evil or insane). Past Presidential Medal of Freedom recipients have been people such as Rosa Parks, Helen Keller, Fred Rogers, John Steinbeck, Maya Angelo, Harper Lee, and Cesar Chavez. Trump may as well have given this award to Hitler or David Duke.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rush-limbaughs-medal-of-freedom-from-trump-draws-backlash/ar-BBZGydD?ocid=spartandhp

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      And other winners were Ellen DeGeneres, Tom Brokow, Merle Streep, Elvis, Tom Hanks. Big deal.

      • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

        And you can’t see the major difference between Rush Limbaugh and ANY of those people? I don’t believe a single one of them made a living by promoting racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, and hatred and prejudice in general.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          …and it is my guess that you haven’t listened to one minute of Rush’s shows…but you are apparently an expert on who he is.

          • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

            You would be wrong – I’ve listened to Rush Limbaugh’s program many times. And (per my link above) countless other people agree with me, for obvious reasons.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            I’ve listened to more of the Rush Limbaugh Show than I care to admit, dating back to his local KFBK show in Sacramento. Some of it I get—his anti-environmentalism rocker featuring chainsaws and a chorus of “Timber!!!” was some fairly clever pandering to his core audience, and if you were hugely wounded by it, maybe you need to grow a thicker skin.

            But his huge contribution to our nation’s current extreme divisiveness? Nice legacy, @$$hole. His labeling of laws student and women’s rights advocate Sandra Flake as “a slut” and “a prostitute? Toxic. His “Magic Negro” bit on Obama? Racist AF. His repetition of conspiracy theories (e.g., the guy who murdered 50 Muslims in New Zealand is a closet liberal out to smear conservatives)? Shameless and soulless disinformation. Mocking a 12-year-old Chelsea Clinton as “the family dog”? What an absolute POS.

            Sure, it’s despicable for people to take any measure of joy in his advanced cancer. But let’s not forget when Rush mocked Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s disease symptoms, claiming that it was an act. Rush is sick with the Big C. That doesn’t mean he’s cured of being an anal orifice.

            Rush is wholly undeserving of the Medal of Freedom, regardless of the parade of harmless lightweights (Ellen, Elvis) who have received the award in the past.

            I’ll also always hate that Rush co-opted “My City was Gone,” by The Pretenders—history’s greatest rock song about urban sprawl. Man, that bass/drum combo is SO in the pocket.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thu8DWsirJo

    • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

      Giving the Medal of Freedom is as close as you get to giving the honor to Hitler.
      Rush exhibits all the same hateful traits of both Hitler and trump.

      It was among the most phony and disrespectful acts trump could have pulled off with a national audience looking on.
      We are used to these disgusting actions from trump and I doubt it is the last. He has many more in his quiver to aim at decency and moral values.

  18. Avatar Larry Winter says:

    When Trump said this at the National Prayer meeting this morning he actually said something profound that I agree with. Too bad the irony went right over his head. I wonder though, how many in attendance squirmed a bit.

    “I don’t like people who use their faith as justification for doing what they know is wrong. Nor do I like people who say ‘I pray for you’ when they know that that’s not so,”

    • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

      That was probably aimed at Senator Romney.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      As usual, Trump is too stupid to realize that this thinly-veiled swipe at Mitt Romney makes absolutely no sense. He’s suggesting Romney knows his vote was the wrong thing to do? How does that make even the faintest hint of sense? Was an idiot.

      As Romney said before casting his vote to convict Trump (I’m paraphrasing):

      “Why would I do this if not for the fact that my conscience demands it? We all know the President did as he is charged. Most of us understand the extent to which it betrayed the Constitution. This is the most difficult decision of my life, but I’m a deeply religious man, and I took and oath before God. I know what lies ahead. I know what this will cost me personally.”

      The man was fighting back tears as he said it.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        I think the president’s comment was more directed to Pelosi than Romney

        • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

          Possibly, but that’s a minority opinion, maybe in part because in the preceding sentence he mentions Republicans.

          I think the reason he’s almost certainly referring to Romney is because it’s Romney who famously and pointedly invoked his religious beliefs as the reason for his guilty vote. Not Pelosi.

          • Avatar Steve Towers says:

            I just watched as much of Trump’s one-hour statement on his acquittal as I could stand. He’s reciting lists of his ardent GOP supporters (“This is a hoax….Polly want a cracker”), those who were lukewarm (“I wish he hadn’t made the call….bad call.”), and one who hid behind his religion, and did it because he’s bitter that he failed to get elected President. He’s obviously referring to Romney.

            At about 19:30.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hJ5XKU0UgU

      • Avatar Gary Tull says:

        Perhaps the most powerful speech of his political career, showing genuine depth and sincerity. He might have made a difference. Unfortunately, there were only four senators in the chamber to hear him. Three Democrats and one Republican.

        • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

          And watched by millions of American voters on the news.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          This is the same guy that Democrats called a racist, misogynist, animal abuser. t’s been hilarious watching the left declare Romney their heroic heartthrob for taking on President Trump. In 2012, Mitt was a vulture capitalist who couldn’t work a grocery store check out, abused his dog, bullied a kid in college for cutting his hair and helped murder a woman with cancer.

          Your new lionized savior has voted with the president 95% of the time.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — Your fellow Republican Bruce is the Romney fan. I’m still not a supporter, though I admire his ethics and fortitude on this one particular vote. I don’t even care for his “I did it because of my religion” BS, because it implies that you have to be deeply religious to recognize right from wrong. I just think it’s ironic that the religious right is going to crucify him for abandoning Der Mandarine Führer.

            Far as I’m concerned, Mitt Romney will aways be the guy who said this:

            “There are 47 percent who are with (Obama), who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement and government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49 … I mean, he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax; 47 percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. He’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean, that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people.”

            That’s what he thinks. The rich should get richer, and half the country are parasites. I don’t put Romney in the same company as Sen. John McCain, whom I truly admired.

          • Avatar Gary Tull says:

            Doug, I did not say he is my new lionized savior. You did. I acknowledged that he was the only Repub senator with backbone who stood up and did the right thing with depth and sincerity. I am quite aware of Mr. Romney’s past.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            I’ll take him on his word that he voted his conscience. I have no problem with that other than I think he was wrong. In the end, though. It is meaningless. His half of vote to impeach doesn’t change a thing. Gallup has the president’s approval rating the highest of his presidency at 49%. Pelosi’s first instincts were correct. She knew this was a mistake and the Democrats will suffer for going down this road.

          • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

            Washington Post, “Mitt Romney is exactly what the Framers had in mind for a Senator”.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            You accused a lot of people of making Romney our heroic heartthrob and lionized savior. The response you got was predictable, because none of us think or said that. But instead of acknowledging that you mischaracterized our love for Romney, you move the goalposts, as you often do. Now it’s about poll numbers.

            I read an article today about a political scientist who posits that today’s elections have almost nothing to do with convincing swing voters by persuading them into your camp on the issues. We’re too entrenched—people don’t care about issues. They only care about tribalism—about winning.

            Of all who post here, your oft-repeated falling back on approval ratings seems to support that political scientist’s point. You assume Pelosi’s only responsibilities are to shift the polls favorably and to win. You apparently can’t imagine her doing what’s right in spite of the likely consequences. No, it’s 100% about winning.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Bruce — And Mitch McConnell must be the antithesis of what the Framers had in mind.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Doug — BTW, that political scientist argues that instead of persuading swing voters, today’s election are all about persuading your own base to get out and vote. Elections are won and lost primarily on energizing and mobilizing core voters to actually vote now.

            She’s not 100% correct, of course, but it’s an interesting theory. And she did better than any of the pollsters in predicting how many seats the Demos would pick up in the House in the last mid-terms—missed it by one seat.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            Me looking at poll numbers is only to point out that the impeachment was a net negative for the Trump haters that wanted to damage the president. Same as what happened to Clinton.
            If you don’t think voters care about issues…wait until Sanders gets the nomination and he has to start giving details of his ridiculous policies he wants to push.

  19. Avatar C Giacomelli says:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FoLHFWC2PSI

    An important reminder to teach and cultivate virtue in our society.

  20. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    I have a feeling the Democratic race is going to come down to Sanders and Bloomberg.

    • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

      Bloomberg? Too early to write him off, but not many Demo voters support rich guys on the basis of generally worshiping the rich. I don’t see him check-booking his way to the top.

  21. Avatar Common Sense says:

    Finally some Common Sense in the GOP! Too bad he doesn’t stand a snow balls chance but he called it the way it actually is.They drank the Kool Aid…about the only thing he didn’t say!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/06/joe-walsh-challenging-trump-gop-nomination-taught-me-my-party-is-cult/

  22. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    WTFN — Trump’s Secret Service personnel complacent in Trump Pocketing Tax Payers $ from inflated room rates at Mar A Lago and Bedminster … Missing Payment Records?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-has-paid-rates-as-high-as-650-a-night-for-rooms-at-trumps-properties/2020/02/06/7f27a7c6-3ec5-11ea-8872-5df698785a4e_story.html

  23. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    The most important ramification of the impeachment circus is that the Democrats will more than likely lose the House in 2020.

    • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

      Democrats losing the House is nothing more than a right wing dream.
      As improbable as Lamalfa losing district One in our neighborhood.

      As the impeachment process moved through the House every person with any understanding of how the senate would act knew the outcome. There really was no surprise. There was an obvious disappointment in the petty loyalty to trump, far more unexpected that anticipated. 67 votes to convict was never going to happen even if there were witnesses and evidence.

      While the results of the acquittal have created an immediate bump for trumps popularity, something he is very capable of losing in a short time, it has also raised a determination to unify opposition to his band of lemmings in the senate.

      The house will not be turned over to the right, but the senate could be an easy target for democrats to make strong gains.

      A trump victory in November would be meaningless with a Democrat controlled House and Senate.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        “…Democrats losing the House is nothing more than a right wing dream.”

        This from a man that told me in no uncertain terms years ago that the GOP may never win another national election. The Democrat party is a mess right now. Pelosi has lost control of the party, the far left wing has taken over and the party has completely abandoned the middle class. If Sanders is the nominee he could potentially lose 45 states. That is why the party is in full blown panic right now. No way the Senate turns Democrat, nobody believes that. And it is very unlikely that the House doesn’t become GOO majority. Especially if Saunders becomes the nominee. The middle class won’t put up with the doubling of our taxes

        • Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

          More revisionist history from Doug.
          Who in their right mind would say such a thing. That they would never win a national election. I certainly have made claims of the Republican Party being in disarray. Being ultra pro big business, the current tax breaks trump has promoted are significantly pro business.
          While continuing to be net negative for working families.
          The trump healthcare , what is it? Does anyone know?
          Maintaining preconditions as a policy defies what we’ve been told by trump.
          What about reduced Medicare, social security, “government schools”, and now trumps attacks on people’s religion, and PRAYER, while using that same religious attacks on women’s health rights.

          I’m not as convinced that the MESS is in the Democrat party.

  24. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    Voter turnout for the New Hampshire Democratic primary surpassed the record set in 2008, when Obama was running for his first term.

    If energizing your party’s base and motivating them to come out and vote is how you win national elections, this is a good sign for the Democrats, no matter who comes out on top.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      In addition, Trump has more than 120,000 votes in NH. In 2012, Obama got 49,080 total votes. George W. Bush received 53,962 votes in 2004. And in 1996, incumbent President Bill Clinton received 76,797 votes in New Hampshire’s primary.

      So it looks like both parties are energized

      • Avatar Larry Winter says:

        Doug, just to put things in perspective, no other incumbent ever campaigned in New Hampshire in their party’s primary. When the Republican primary was contested in 2016, there were over 284,000 Republican votes cast. Why does Trump think he needs to campaign in uncontested primaries? He’s scared.

        • Avatar Sue says:

          Trump doesn’t come across scared? Trump doesn’t get fair coverage in MSM, he campaigns to show his base that we are yuge in numbers. If I’d paid attention to media, I’d feel alone in my support of Trump. Two weeks ago media was stating poll numbers with Biden clearly in the lead; nothing could have been further from the truth. 328m American Citizens and these Dem candidates are the best options and impeachment their best platform.

        • Avatar Doug Cook says:

          Why? Because he likes to troll the Democrats. He will continue to hold rallies in the states the Dems are campaigning in just to steal their thunder. It’s Trump being Trumpian.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Pfffft. Trump is too jacked up on Adderall to have a cogent “steal their thunder” strategy. He’s just indulging his inner attention whore. It just so happens that his worship-the-rich-and-famous shoe-polishers and camp-followers eat it up, to his benefit.

          • Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

            Pfffft. Trump is too jacked up on Adderall to have a cogent “steal their thunder” strategy. He’s just indulging his inner attention whore, and it just so happens that his worship-the-rich-and-famous followers eat it up.

  25. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    In breaking news right now. Is OJ in Phoenix? Live TV shows a slow moving white SUV being pursued by multiple LE on westbound I10.

  26. Avatar Candace says:

    Bruce, no, it’s not OJ, it’s our constitution; they’re giving it a LE escort through Phoenix due to credible threats against it. Then again, Trump says he has the backing of LE, the military and “the bikers”. I hope it doesn’t have to stop for gas.

  27. Avatar Gary Tull says:

    Kamala Harris: “Did ‘president’ Trump ask you to investigate political rivals”?

    William Barr: “gmsib well, hfdogbosd, hmpfs”

    Kamala Harris: “Hinted”…..”Suggested”

    William Barr: “gargle hmph. Hwodnfosfd”

  28. Steve Towers Steve Towers says:

    Representative Mac Thornberry (R-Texas) is upset about the Pentagon shifting billions of dollars in earmarked military funding to Tangerine Twitler’s border wall.

    Mac sez: “Attempts to do so undermines the principle of civilian control of the military and is in violation of the separation of powers within the constitution. The re-programming announced today is contrary to the Congress’ constitutional authority and I believe that it requires Congress to take action.”

    LOL. How adorable. He thinks we’re still a functioning democracy.

    • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

      Coyotes are now using camouflage ladders that blend right into the wall – that is, where the wind doesn’t just blow the things down.

      And Williams Barr’s pretense that he’s not just carrying out Trump’s orders to give token sentences to his criminal buddies is a joke.

      • Avatar Gary Tull says:

        Barr has been obviously fixing criminal cases in trump’s favor right along- ever since he basically conned the American public in accepting his redacted and misleading “summary” of the Mueller Report. In Barr’s version, many critical details were of course left out as we now know.

        However, a silver lining might possibly be on the horizon: Suppose AG Barr should resign under pressure. It seems QT Bone Spurs (less his powerful fixer) could fall shortly after a speedy stream-lined impeachment hearing where he is obviously floundering and found utterly unfit to hold office. I think by then there may be a chance that four Repub. senators will be ready to do the right thing… I might be a bit overly optimistic in regard to four conscientious Repub. senators.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      The SCOTUS ruled last year that the president can divert funds for construction of the wall. Hey, look at that…a functioning Democracy.

  29. Avatar Doug Cook says:

    What is your proof, Gary that Barr has been fixing criminal cases? It’s time to give it up. Keep bringing up the dud which is the Mueller report. That didn’t pan out for you… impeachment didn’t pan out for you. You really think bringing up more fake impeachment charges will be good for the Dems. Yes, Gary…I realize that the Dems are panicking about their field of inadequate candidates. Looking like a NY billionaire or 80 year old Communist will get the nomination. But, hey… continue with your obsession with the president. That’s all you have.

    • Avatar Patrecia Barrett says:

      Over a thousand prosecutors are now calling for Barr’s resignation, and are asking that current employees under Barr report any further cover-ups and corrupt activities on his part.

      And of course the deck was stacked against impeachment by a bunch of Republicans who don’t have an ounce of ethics or principles between them.

      Finally, Sanders is not a “communist”. In fact, he’s not even a socialist (take it from someone who was raised by REAL socialists).

    • Avatar Larry Winter says:

      Communist? Lol.

      New study published in the Lancet that concludes the Medicare for All Act will save Americans 450 billion a year in health care costs and will save 68,000 lives compared to the status quo.

      Commie Bastard!

      https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        Estimates by the liberal Urban Institute and the conservative Mercatus Center agree that single-payer proposals would cost over $3 trillion per year — more than double the amount currently raised by the federal government in individual income taxes.

        Of course, none of the Democratic presidential candidates has yet specified who would be made to pay for Medicare for All, but proposals to increase federal spending by over $3 trillion per year are almost certainly incompatible with pledges not to increase taxes on the middle class.

        • Avatar Larry Winter says:

          And then there’s this unfortunate part of the studies you mention.

          “The flip side is that the study finds the plan would provide large savings to American households, who would no longer have to pay premiums or deductibles for their care, resulting in $886 billion in savings for people over 10 years. The plan would also provide insurance to everyone, reducing the number of uninsured from 32.2 million people to zero, the study found. ”
          https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/465894-new-study-full-scale-medicare-for-all-costs-32-trillion-over-10-years.
          https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/465894-new-study-full-scale-medicare-for-all-costs-32-trillion-over-10-years

          Americans will pay for it and Americans will save money doing it.

          Commie Bastards!

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            You know dang well that the estimate of $3 trillion a year will grow, what government program does not? Since when has the government done a good job of running a program? Sure…some Americans may save some money. Does that justify raising government spending by 60%? And that is just for Medicare for all, let’s add in tuition forgiveness, and all of the other nutty proposals of Bernie’s. The average workers pay $6,015 a year for health insurance, with the employer paying an average of $14,561. You honestly believe our taxes won’t go up by more than $6k? Of course it would.

            And to top it off, the health care will be worse, The government would have no other option but to ration health care…that same as Canada, UK and other single payer health care.

            I have been using the VA for a about 7-8 years now. I finally bailed from them, and now use private insurance. That is a gov’t run health care system that fails many users. I had issues with my VA primary care doctor, and asked to switch doctors, they refused my request.

            Weren’t you concerned not to long ago with Trumps deficit spending? But you now seem fine to increase federal spending by 60% just for health care. Interesting.

  30. Avatar Larry Winter says:

    Expanding public schooling to include college?
    Nutty.
    Guarantee health care for everyone. Homeland security at it’s most primal definition.
    Nutty.
    Maybe you should be a peer reviewer in the Lancet.

    I’ve never commented on deficit spending. I’m a liberal. Remember we luv to spend others’ money.
    What are you that supports a president that luvs to spend others’ money? A conserberal? A libative?

  31. Avatar Chad Magnuson says:

    Sorry about your bad experience at the va.
    But va is a limited program . Limited to veterans.
    It would be better if it were a Medicare program. Although if you are Medicare eligible the va bills Medicare. Just at it bills private insurers. If appropriate.
    I go regularly to the va for my basic healthcare needs. No major issues with the care or my doc who I’ve had for 6 years. My first doc was for 5 years.

    I suggest you contact LaMalfa if you’re not happy with this socialist system.

  32. Avatar Candace says:

    The US already rations healthcare. It uses an individual’s “Pay to Play” level of economic status as its rationing model. It’s immoral. If I have to pay higher taxes in order to have affordable, quality healthcare for all, so be it. I’d much rather have a smaller home than a neighbor who died because they couldn’t afford not to. Guess that makes me a Communist?

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