Brian Dahle and Kevin Kiley on Fire in Not-So-Special Election

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Every election needs a demon, and in the showdown between Republican assemblymen Brian Dahle and  Kevin Kiley for the 1st District State Senate seat vacated by Ted Gaines, the evil spirit is a familiar one: Pacific Gas & Electric, the largest electric utility in the United States, for more than 100 years the bane of politicians and ratepayers alike.

The San Francisco-based utility’s failure to properly maintain its massive electrical grid has been blamed for more than a dozen of the mega-wildfires that have plagued northern California during the past several years, including the Camp Fire, which last fall killed 85 people and consumed the entire village of Paradise, once home to 30,000 people.

Now, in a fiery battle being waged by gaudy, misleading campaign fliers sent to thousands of rural voters in the 1st District, Dahle and Kiley each claim the other is in cahoots with this infernal fire-starting demon, PG&E.

It’s virtually impossible to tell if any of the claims on these apocalyptic fliers are “true,” in the common usage of the word, but I’m going to give it a shot. But first, a little background.

The 1st District encompasses the state’s northeastern quadrant, stretching south from Yreka to the Sacramento suburbs and east from the edge of the Sacramento Valley to the Nevada border.

Most of the voters are in those Sacramento suburbs, where Kiley, 34, the 4th District assemblyman based in Rocklin, hails. Most of the territory is profoundly rural, where Dahle, 53, the former Lassen County supervisor and current 1st District assemblyman, calls home.

It’s a suburban vs. rural shoot-out, the upstart millennial Yale Law School graduate against the longtime ranch and trucking company owner with triple his opponent’s political experience. No need to worry about party politics here. Each of these Republicans claims to be the real tax-fighting, gun-protecting, abortion-denying candidate in the race.

Kiley’s flier landed first in my rural mailbox, like a blast of heat from a furnace. On the flier, Dahle is depicted with his hands up against the backdrop of a raging forest fire. The garish orange flames appear to be emanating from Dahle’s hands like some sort of heat-ray, burning down the woods. A crudely scrawled arrow points at Dahle, who, the flier claims, has been “bought and paid for” by PG&E.

Paid for by Kevin Kiley For Senate 2019.

“AFTER voting to let PG&E off the hook for the fires it caused,” the flier reads from the top, “Brian Dahle has taken hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign cash from the utility and its executives.”

Under cartoon moneybags, the amounts are broken down: “$400,000 from PG&E and utility companies to a pro-Dahle PAC,” “$10,000 in Campaign Cash from 16 different PG&E executives over a 10-day period to Dahle’s committee,” and “$679,000 in special interest money directly to Dahle’s bank accounts.”

“Brian Dahle voted to allow PG&E to escape responsibility for fires they cause,” the back of the flier reads. “Now PG&E is funding his campaign for State Senate.”

Almost all of it, as we shall soon see, is total bullshit. But before I could examine the flier’s outrageous claims, another firebrand landed in my mailbox, this one from Dahle’s campaign, making the exact same audacious accusations against Kiley!

Paid for by Dahle for Senate 2019.

Set against a flaming backdrop on the flier, a bemused Kiley looks not unlike the serial killer Ted Bundy, pondering where to stash the bodies in the burning woods. Turns out it’s worse than that.

On the flier, a statement attributed to Yuba County Supervisor Andy Vasquez claims that, “After taking over $500,000 from PG&E and other special interests, Kevin Kiley refused to support legislation to hold PG&E accountable for the wildfires and prevent future disasters like the ones that wiped out Paradise, Redding and Loma Rica.”

Whether the supervisor actually said this or not, it’s what we in the trade call weasel-wording. The legislation in question is SB 901, the Wildfires bill passed by the Legislature and signed into law by Gov. Jerry Brown last September. Kyle abstained from voting for the bill, so he indeed did not support it, as the flier states.

But it’s not because PG&E (“and other special interests” is the weasel-wording) gave Kiley’s campaign $500,000. Nor did PG&E give Dahle “hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign cash” as asserted by Kiley’s facetious flier.

In fact, PG&E has placed bets on both candidates in the past, but hardly in six-figure amounts. According to, the nonprofit that tracks campaign funding across the United States, PG&E has donated $25,300 to Dahle, a four-term assemblyman, since 2012. PG&E has given Kiley, who first took office in 2016, $8200.

As far as the current campaign is concerned, PG&E Corp. has so far donated $2000 to Kiley this election cycle, according to the Secretary of State’s Cal-Access website. Dahle has received $250 from a PG&E employee who lives in McArthur.

As far as I can tell from information currently available on Cal-Access, PG&E has not donated any money to Taxfighters For Brian Dahle, a political action committee separate from Dahle’s campaign that, among others things, runs commercials on right-wing radio stations and sends out the crazy-ass fliers I receive regularly in the post.

(I was disappointed not to receive the Dahle flier instructing Democrats to vote for Steve Baird, the well known state of Jefferson State supporter who registered as a Democrat for the special primary election then dropped out before his name could be removed from the ballot. Nor did I receive the one with Kiley’s image photoshopped to look like he was standing next to now-Sen. Kamala Harris when she was attorney general. Kiley, a former assistant attorney general who worked under Harris, says he never actually met her.)

PG&E might not be donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to either candidate, but other corporations, labor unions, political action committees and individuals are pouring hundreds of thousands of dollars into both campaign’s coffers.

Between January 1 and April 20, Dahle for Senate 2019 raised $922,575 and spent $268,547.

Taxpayers For Brian Dahle, the pro-Dahle PAC sponsored with major funding from the California Association of Realtors and the California Correctional Peace Officers Association, raised $404,521 and spent $210,976.

That’s more than $1.2 million going to the pro-Dahle side since the beginning of the year, of which almost a half-million has been spent.

During the same time period, Kiley raised $757,344 and spent $308,830. Like Dahle, his largest donations come from the finance, insurance and real estate industries. Unlike Dahle, he has virtually no support from public sector and general trade unions, whom Kiley refers to as special interests.

Anyway, if neither one of these guys appears to be on PG&E’s payroll to any significant degree, what the hell are all these fervent fliers about?

I found the tiniest of hints on the back of Dahle’s flier, a minuscule footnote under a list of all the ways Dahle has held PG&E accountable and Kevin Kiley hasn’t: “Source-SB-901.”

That would be the aforementioned Wildfires bill signed into law last September, for which Dahle voted yay and Kiley abstained. Claiming the bill holds PG&E accountable may be premature—the utility, facing an estimated $15 billion in wildfire lawsuits, filed for bankruptcy in January.

SB-901, passed while the Carr Fire was still smoldering and the Camp Fire was set to take off, was the Legislature’s reaction to a state that was literally burning down around them. It was a fat piece of legislative sausage, with something for everyone to love—or to hate.

As Dahle’s flier claims, the bill limits pay hikes and bonuses for PG&E executives and requires the utility to better maintain its equipment. It provides funding for victims of recent wildfires. The bill requires the state to remove dead and dying trees that fuel forest fires, and provides $1 billion from the state’s Cap&Trade greenhouse reduction program over the next five years to facilitate the task.

For future fires, SB-901 requires PG&E and other big utilities to conduct a financial stress test, to determine the amount in wildfire settlement payments the company can bear before filing for bankruptcy (here’s an educated guess: $15 billion). It also allows PG&E to sell bonds which will be used to spread out the ratepayer increases necessary to pay the settlements over time.

How much PG&E pays out in settlements to wildfire victims will determine how much electricity rates increase in the future, and only then will we know if PG&E was actually held accountable.

In the meantime, the electricity is still on, the presence of PG&E maintenance crews in the field appears to be on the rise (at least where I live in Whitmore), more help for fire victims is on the way and some of the credit goes to Dahle, who helped craft SB-901, including the Cap&Trade elements, a program he voted against.

“To do nothing would be on us,” Assembly Republican Leader Dahle told Captiol Public Radio last August. “We’ve done something that’s not perfect. But I think it’s a step in the right direction.”

No doubt it was, if the object was to keep the lights on and get the ball rolling on cleaning up the wildland urban interface.

Yet now SB-901 is just a small footnote on a pro-Dahle PAC campaign flier that claims Kevin Kiley has been possessed by the demon utility, PG&E. I suppose taking credit for a bill that acknowledges climate change is real might be perceived as “too liberal” in more conservative parts of the 1st District.

Better than to scare the living daylights out of rural voters with scenes from Armageddon. You can thank California’s top-two primary system for pitting two arch-conservatives against one another.

To be fair, Kiley recently sent me a kinder, gentler campaign flier, this one in softer blues and greens, assuring me that he is “The only senate candidate who stands up to the Sacramento politicians and lobbyists and fights for us.”

Kiley, who as a teacher founded and coached the Granite Bay High School debate club, has been calling for Dahle to debate him. Dahle, who finished with 28.7 percent of the special primary vote to Kiley’s 28.5 percent, has so far followed that golden rule of politics, never debate a debating coach.

Indeed, contrary to Kiley’s recent nice-guy approach, the latest Dahle flier to arrive in my mailbox goes for the jugular.

“Did Kevin Kiley sell out cancer victims?”

The answer is no, but that’s another story. The special election is June 4. These guys have money to spend and I suspect things are about to get really ugly.

R.V. Scheide
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91 Responses

  1. Steven Towers Steven Towers says:

    I’ve voted for Dahle in the past, repeatedly. I’ve even said I’d knock on doors for him if he ever runs against our useless rubber-stamp U.S. Congressman. Three years ago Dahle would have had my vote, tomahawk slam dunk.

    That was before Orange Mussolini. Upon Orange’s election, I vowed not to vote for another Republican until he’s is gone. I’ve since softened my stance: I won’t vote for a Republican who doesn’t have the decency and courage to say that Orange is a crass, wrong-headed, authoritarian, probably criminal buffoon. Is that political suicide? I don’t care. Others have fallen on their swords. This is an important moment in our country’s history. You’re either complicit, or you’re not.

    I’ll be writing someone in for State Senator.

    • Avatar Doug Cook says:

      Everything is about President Trump, isn’t it? Meanwhile, enjoy the near best economy and lowest unemployment rate ever.

    • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

      Steve, would you vote for Mitt Romney? He was my choice over the Orange.

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      The Democrats and the MSM haven’t dethroned Trump. The Republicans are a lost cause. It’s up to the people, and the signs are growing that he will indeed be voted out.

      • Avatar Doug Cook says:

        I don’t know how you can say the GOP is a lost cause when you can see the chaos and incompetence of the Democrats. I would be happy with any of these 2 men running. Democrats have screwed up California for years now. I can only hope s few Republicans can hold them in check…maybe just a little bit.

        • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

          The GOP is a lost cause because they’re allegedly the party of the Constitution and Law & Order and their standard barer has zero respect for neither. Trump is a criminal, he will be exposed in the next 18 months, and you’ll be sorry you ever got behind him.

          • Avatar Doug Cook says:

            That’s what was said over 18 months ago…I’m still waiting

          • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

            The GOP is not a lost cause because some Republicans, including the one I voted for, have never totally sided with President Trump and everyday seems another Republican speaks out against Trump. The Democrats are in chaos as everybody but the dog catcher seems to be declaring their presidential ambitions. And each Dem seems to bash their own leader as well as their fellow candidates.
            The Democrats are handing the election to Trump unless a Republican takes the candidacy away from Trump.

          • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

            Doug, it’s not what I was saying 2 years ago. I predicted Trump win because Clinton ran such a horrible campaign. I voted for him. It took me 3 months to drop my support.

            We could not know, back then, that Trump would have such a disregard for the constitution, or law and order. As Trump loses his battle to quash subpoenas, more will be revealed. Even you will be forced to drop your support.

  2. Steven Towers Steven Towers says:

    As for PG&E, until I sold my company a few months ago, I’d spent much of the last five years working on various programs to make the company’s transmission lines less prone to fire. My single hesitation in selling my company was that PG&E is still pouring truck-loads of money into those programs.

    Here’s the truth: Making those transmission lines fail-safe regarding fire risk ain’t gonna happen. It’s too expensive, and there are too many constraints, not the least of which is that easements notwithstanding, landowners (private and federal) have rights. Probably the single most effective option available to PG&E is to shut down generation and transmission (and distribution in the hinterlands) when the weather turns nasty, between June through December. Brace yourselves for brown-outs and black-outs, possibly for a week or more at a time.

    • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

      Steve, after living for several years with the PG&E blackouts, some lasted a week, moving to Nebraska and Wyoming, where they have really bad weather, I was pleasantly surprised at how few blackouts and short lived they were.

    • Wow, Steve. That’s a big deal to sell your company. Congratulations?

      Here’s to your next chapter.

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      I’ll take the blackouts over the inferno every time.

      • Avatar Mark Roman says:

        I hear you on this one, but there has been little discussion of the unintended consequences. Traffic signals…people have a hard enough time going/stopping with lights. Seniors on oxygen machines…I’ll leave that one up to your imagination. Doctors…it’s hard enough to get appointments without them being closed due to lengthy blackouts. I don’t think people are aware of how difficult blackouts will be.

        • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

          That’s why we have a generator and a 500 gal. Propane tank, but I hear you too. PG&E has already informed us about their shutdown policy.

          • Valerie Ing Valerie Ing says:

            When I lived in Alaska, my city had a generator that continued to provide power for up to 3 days. I see how that might be difficult to do on a large scale, but if this is the new norm, I guess we’d better get crackalackin’.

          • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

            The reason we are in Redding right now is that PG&E notified our neighborhood of a shutdown. Like other rural residents, without power we have no water and can’t flush toilets. We recently donated our 10K generator to Cuesta College where a friend is the Ag teacher. Probably were a little previous with that decision.

          • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

            Wow Beverly. So you’re staying in a hotel?

          • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

            This is for R.V. asking if we are staying in a motel: nope, we have a cottage in Redding. We did a “soft” evacuation due to the nearness of the Carr Fire then had to do another “soft” one because of the Hat Fire in Fall River. Felt like yo-yo’s.

  3. R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

    After this story went to press, news broke that Dahle and Kiley have recorded a televised forum on KIXE that will air this weekend. That’s almost a debate! Here’s the info:

  4. Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

    The cost to Shasta County for this election was a head-shaker. We received a multi-page notification of the upcoming election then the ballot itself. There may have been a third one asking if we wanted to continue our status as absentee voters, but that may have been part of the multi-page notification. That’s a bunch of staff time, paper, and postage spent to choose between two guys who think Trump is just swell.

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      Yeah and both candidates have active assembly 2020 campaigns going at the same time.

  5. Avatar Judith Salter says:

    When I have business in the capital, I routinely ask staffers about our special election here Every time they choose Dahle over Kiley and cite his open door policy and willingness to work with both sides of the aisle.

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      I get the feeling that Kiley is not well liked in the Capitol itself but may have some sway in those Sacto suburbs.

  6. Avatar Patricia Barrett says:

    Dahle is hosting a “Faith and Values” Town Hall Meeting, to be moderated by none other than Redding Mayor and Bethel Elder Julie Winter. The description of this event (below) maintains that Christian elected officials should be basing “policies and legislation” on their religious “values” in order to “shape” our society and culture:

    “Christians from local churches are invited to a Faith & Values Town Hall with your Assemblyman, Brian Dahle, moderated by Redding Mayor, Julie Winter.

    There are particular values that those of the Christian faith care deeply about as they shape the society and culture of our cities, states, and nation. Because it can be difficult to know who our elected officials are, and what policies and legislation they are voting for on our behalf, many Christians have chosen to simply pray for the nation. Prayer is vital, but in addition to prayer, all citizens—including those of faith—are encouraged to be informed as they participate in the basics of their civic duties.

    Whether you consider yourself Republican, Independent, Democrat, or unaffiliated, bring your questions or come hear the conversation at this unique and respectful gathering”.

    This just reeks of Bethel’s Dominionist onslaught. It also appears to me that Dahle has sold out completely to the Bethel machine.

  7. Avatar Tim says:

    Scheide’s Law: “As an aNewsCafe comment section grows longer, the probability of the discussion involving Trump or Bethel approaches 1.”

    • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

      Kinda like “all roads lead to Rome.” “Scheide’s Law” is a probability because Trump and Bethel are not only entertwined in this ultra conservative area but also a huge concern to the moderate viewers and commenters on ANC.

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      Golly Tim, at least I didn’t mention Bethel in the story, although I could have, since Bethel No. 2 Kris Vallotton has been openly campaigning for Dahle on Facebook and in church.

      The truth is, Bethel is flaunting the 1st Amendment in numerous areas. Sorry for noticing.

    • Steven Towers Steven Towers says:

      That old saying is wrong. 800-pound gorillas are hard to ignore.

  8. Joanne Snyder Joanne Snyder says:

    Great article R.V. Using PG&E as a campaign issue seems to be a fear based, and illogical. There are a combination of reasons for the Paradise fire, including the drought, dry fuel and winds. This fire could as easily have been set by campers as was the Jones fire that destroyed so many homes, or a flat tire in the Carr Fire disaster. Supplying safely, two dangerous sources of power to millions of homes (gas and electricty) is a tremendous responsibility. PG&E has always been the most responsive utility company I’ve delt with. One week before the fire, crews were replacing all of the insulators on all of the poles on Swasey Drive, as well as installing heavier ground wires. Every year crews would clear around the poles and trim any trees around the power poles. Obviously, this new era will demand more agressive changes to this system that is, in some areas decades old. Again, great article R.V.

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      Joanne, I too have had good experiences with PG&E lately. When they shut the power down for 8 days this past winter, they gave us a rebate on our bill (since we had to use the emergency generator and a lot of propane). PG&E maintenance crews as well as numerous subcontractors have been crawling all over the Whitmore area in the wake of the fires, cleaning up the big high tension power lines as well as the telephone poles. As you mention and as Steve mentioned above, the job they’ve been tasked with is nearly impossible with the present infrastructure. But at least they’re giving it a shot.

  9. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    Interesting Facebook pages for both these candidates. Dahle answers comments on his page, a rarity on all political Facebook sites. Some comments, unanswered, on Kiley’s Facebook claim he is a liberal running as a Republican because the 1st District would never elect a Democrat.
    I noted some comments on both were from Shasta County.

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      Kevin Kiley is not a liberal running as a Republican. He’s probably a more doctrinaire conservative than Dahle, who I feel is a conservative more out of expedience.

      • Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

        I was just repeating what I read on their Facebook pages.

        • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

          I know, just didn’t want anybody to think he was “liberal” when he’s quite the opposite.

          I just got a kinder gentler flier from Dahle. He’s for all of us on one side, he’s a conservative on the other.

  10. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    RV, this was a good article about the candidates and their campaigns. We just went through our own special election for mayor here and the ads went over the deep end. AZfamily investigated an ad against one of the candidates and found it to be false but they kept running the ad. We need something like you and ANews down here to tell what it is really like. Everything down here is extremely Left or Right depending on who is talking.

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      I think we need the elections commission that monitors these damn ads. They’re so over the top, they make me laugh, but behind the humor, politicians are lie, lie, lying!

  11. Avatar Julie Driver says:

    On Tuesday, KIXE filmed a Q&A with the candidates and will be airing it on channel 9 at the following times.
    Saturday May 25 at 8 PM
    Sunday May 26 at 7 PM
    Thursday May 30 at 10 PM
    It’ll also be on our website but I don’t have the date for that yet. It was interesting to hear their views on relevant issues rather than the back and forth bickering and spin.
    Thank you RV for the facts and Doni for ANC!

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      I hope someone popped them the abortion question, as in do they support Alabama’s law that bans abortion, even in the case of rape and incest? We know Bethel does. Does Dahle? Will Kiley go over the top? Can’t wait to see it.

      • Avatar Julie Driver says:

        Hey R.V. We put the candidate forum on PBS Passport for streaming pre-broadcast. It’s available to all PBS members at the $60 level and above. Anybody who wants can go to the Passport section on and sign up for instant access.

  12. Avatar Larry Winter says:

    Thanks RV for keeping your finger on the pulse of local politics. It’s an important role you fill.

  13. Annelise Pierce Annelise Pierce says:

    Well done – you’ve really captured the tone of the daily flyers we receive re: Kiley/Dahle which certainly provide some much needed comic relief in our home. Yesterday’s flyer, featuring Kiley and a cow at a small apartment window and questioning how Kiley ranches out of his small apartment was possibly the best yet. You write: “Yet now SB-901 is just a small footnote on a pro-Dahle PAC campaign flier that claims Kevin Kiley has been possessed by the demon utility, PG&E. I suppose taking credit for a bill that acknowledges climate change is real might be perceived as “too liberal” in more conservative parts of the 1st District.” Great side note. What fun reading. Thank you!

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      Thanks Annelise, I just got the same flier yesterday from Dahle. Today, I got another one from Dahle, picking on Kiley for being a fake cattle rancher! It might even be true!

  14. Avatar Candace C says:

    Thanks for this R.V. and thank you Julie D. for the candidate Q&A air time schedule. I vote by mail and typically mail my ballot back pronto when it’s the choice between two candidates. This time around the ballot has been sitting for a bit as I’d rather not give either one of the candidates my vote. I’ve never not voted. I’ll watch the Q&A to see if one of the candidates spurs me on to do so.

    • Avatar Tim says:

      Not being able to write-in really grinds my gears, but I’d rather return a voided ballot than not vote (or worse – vote for an evil).

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      I have never not voted, but this race has me considering it. I’d say right now I’m leaning toward Dahle, because a homeboy is likely to go better for us in Sacramento.

  15. Avatar Candace C says:

    I’ve been having a conversation with Assemblymen Dahle (at least I hope it’s truly him) on Messenger regarding my concerns about the upcoming faith and value town hall meeting he’ll be hosting and his decision to interview with Kris Vallotton. I’ve so far not changed my mind regarding casting my vote for him this time around but I have to say that I found him to be open, honest and willing to listen to both my criticisms and concerns. I find that to be a rare and appreciated exchange from a politician theses days.

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      Ask him if he believes women who’ve been raped or victims of incest should be allowed to have abortions. KV says no. What does Dahle say? What does Kiley say?

  16. Avatar Candace C says:

    *not casting my vote

  17. Avatar Candace C says:

    R.V. I guess my answer to that would be to ask him yourself? I personally was talking to him about my objection to his affiliation with KV ( and his anti LGBTQ stance) being my reason for not voting for him this time around. If he supports the current draconian anti-abortion laws being passed and pushed that would be a deal breaker as well as far as my vote going to him. I was simply stating that he was willing to listen and respectfully reply.

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      I’ll ask him in person or reveal it someday, especially when women’s issues and LGBTQ come before the Legislature and his opinion on such matters make a difference. I used to ask such questions on his Facebook page, especially about climate change, which he actually knows a lot about, because they use science in the Legislature, and he simply won’t talk about it in public. This special election has illuminated both the fact that northern California’s right-wing conservatives have no policies to run on and the failure of the state’s election system, which allowed a State of Jefferson ringer to run as a Democrat. Silke Pfleuger would be on the ballot June 4 if not for this subterfuge completely enabled by an election system that should have prevented. Brian Dahle infamously took advantage of this with a flier encouraging voters to vote for the State of Jefferson guy, even though he’d pulled out of the race. Who allowed his name to remain on the ballot, and more importantly, who allowed this well known nutjob to register and run as a Democrat?

      • Avatar Candace C says:

        I just now saw your question regarding who let the State of Jefferson guy stay on the ballot. That really bothered me as well so I called the number provided to ask that same question. I was told that they didn’t know he’d dropped out until after the printing of the ballots and that they can’t foresee everything that’s going to happen and that if people went to the Shasta County website they’d see he had dropped out. So I then asked if they were planning on chasing the ballot with a mailer for those that either don’t have access to a computer nor the ability to navigate one nor have access to someone who could help them. The person I was speaking with didn’t know the answer.

  18. Avatar Candace C says:

    R.V. Maybe you didn’t see my post clarifying that Mr. Dahle is not getting my vote? ( Also, I’m a huge proponent of Pro-Choice.) Maybe you did and the snark wasn’t directed at me? Hope not anyway.

  19. Avatar Candace C says:

    R.V. Or maybe I misinterpreted your question as being snarky when that wasn’t your intent? If so, my apology. Also, sorry for the multiple posts but unfortunately I don’t see an “edit” option available to me. Ugh.

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      No, I understood you. You’re not voting for Dahle. But if you’re still messenging with Dahle, ask him what his abortion stance is, just for grins and giggles.

      • Avatar Beverly Stafford says:

        Assuming Woodward truly has inside info, his book, Fear, showed that Trump was pro-choice until his handlers convinced him that he would get the Christian vote if he switched to being pro-life.

        • Steven Towers Steven Towers says:

          “Pro-life” isn’t the best choice as an alternative to “pro-choice.”

          A lot of anti-abortion people are angry that more people aren’t being executed. The fringier ones think that homosexuals ought to be stoned to death. They’re fine with young soldiers dying for Big Oil’s interests in the Middle East, and the residents of those countries are entirely disposable. They think that the right to fully enjoy their collective gun fetish without restriction trumps the staggering carnage of gun violence and deaths in this country. They’re also fine with blaming the deaths of kids in ICE cages, separated from their parents, on anyone but the administration that’s putting them in those cages. Finally, they’re not too keen on helping provide for babies that result from unwanted pregnancies—if some of those babies die of neglect, tisk tisk tisk.

          When it’s all accounted for, I would argue that pro-choice people are on balance far more pro-life than the anti-abortion crowd.

          • Avatar Tim says:

            For perspective, here are approximate annual US deaths:
            1000000 surgically killed foeti
            0650000 dead of heart disease
            0600000 dead of cancer
            0500000 chemically killed foeti
            0250000 killed by medical mistakes
            0175000 killed by other accidents
            0045000 suicides
            0012000 gun homicides (victims usually partially culpable)
            0001600 knife homicides
            0000650 feet/fist homicides
            0000350 aviation deaths
            0000350 rifle homicides (including assault rifles)
            0000300 deer homicides (deer v car fatal collision)
            0000250 homicides by illegal immigrants
            0000100 US combat deaths
            0000025 inmates executed
            0000011 deaths in ICE custody

          • Avatar Patricia Barrett says:


            I have no idea whether or not your figures are accurate. However, I would dispute your claim that people killed by guns are “usually at least partially culpable”. What an offense to all the innocent victims of gun violence.

            In addition, abortions shouldn’t be listed under “deaths”. Per every legitimate medical organization world-wide, the organism present at the stage of pregnancy when 99 percent of abortions take place doesn’t have the remotest capability of experiencing pain, or even awareness of anything that goes on in its environment (the things that would make it an actual human being). It’s an interruption of pregnancy – not a “death”.

          • Avatar Tim says:

            I meant to remove that editorial aside to be more objective, but forgot. It is still true: the vast majority of homicide victims violate at least one of the 4 rules of stupid:

            Don’t go stupid places at stupid times to do stupid things around stupid people.

            Stupid places: 5% of counties accounted for more than 2/3 of US homicides.

            Stupid times: More than half of homicides occur during 1/3 of the day: 8pm-4am

            Stupid things: murderers are under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs nearly 2/3 of the time. Victims are under the influence a bit less than half the time.

            Stupid people: 67% of murderers have a prior arrest record

          • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

            Steven Towers is correct to point out the hypocrisy of the so-called “pro-life” side of the abortion debate. These right-wing Christian evangelists (a category that includes 12 percent of Catholics, RIP Anton Scalia) have zero respect for the child the second it’s dragged from the womb into this nightmare world.

            The truth of the abortion matter is this: Nearly 99 percent occur early in the first trimester, a moral decision a large majority of Americans, more women than men, but both.

            Then there’s the 1 percent: 1 percent of abortions occur in the third trimester, and 1 percent of abortions are the result of rape or incest.

            The 62 million abortions since Roe v. Wade constantly compared to a “holocaust” by the likes of Kris Vallotton, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck is actually just white male disappointment that 62 million women were able to exercise their Constitutional rights.

            The political neophyte Trump, the unstable genius, Brokeahontas, diagnosed by leading psychiatrists as a narcissist and a sociopath, has let the right-wing evangelicals in the door, and now they have raised their ugly heads, in Shasta County as in the nation.

            By the time we get to Nov. 2020, President Donald J. Trump will be the most unelectable president running for reelection in U.S. history. This man doesn’t believe in the Constitution or the Rule of Law, and he must go.

          • Avatar Tim says:

            9% of surgical abortions (that’s 90,000 annually in the US) are performed in the second trimester – a time when the fetus has the ability to respond to stimuli like music. A majority of these second trimester foeti are aborted because of “undesirable” or “abnormal” traits like down syndrome.

          • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

            Tim, 0f all the moral questions surrounding the abortion debate, terminating the pregnancy when the fetus has serious abnormalities gets to the heart of the matter.

            If, thanks to scientific advances, doctors can now determine that a fetus in the 2nd trimester will be born with abnormalities that guarantee a short life filled with suffering, should parents have the right to terminate that pregnancy?

          • Avatar Tim says:

            How comfortable are you with Eugenics?

            Down Syndrome life expectancy used to be 25-30, but is now 60. Do you still call that a “life shortening” diagnosis that justifies preventative euthanasia?

            How about Autism or Asperger’s? That’s not life shortening, but scientists are working on a prenatal test to give mothers the “choice.”

            What if your fetus would be a hermaphrodite? Or even if you wanted a boy but were going to have a girl?

            What if a woman had multiple sexual partners and learned that the man who got her pregnant was not the same race as her and she didn’t want to raise a mixed-race child?

            What if you were having twins, but really only wanted 1 child?

          • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

            Perhaps we should outlaw all prenatal testing, as it appears to fall under your definition of eugenics.

          • Avatar Tim says:

            Planned Parenthood founder (& eugenics proponent) Margaret Sanger: “The most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.”

            That was 1921 — so the use of abortion in pursuit of “good genes” is nothing new.

      • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

        Tim, by your reckoning, simply deciding you’d like a certain women to have your babies because you think the babies will be cute is eugenics. And spare us the canned right-wing talking points on Planned Parenthood. No one with a brain believes you.

  20. Avatar Patricia Barrett says:

    Republicans who are pro-choice are an extreme rarity, and are even more rarely men. In addition, girls and women who are victims of rape and incest seldom come forward publicly for obvious reasons – even to Planned Parenthood, which is required by law to report those crimes to the authorities. Rape victims should not be forced to endlessly relive their trauma and have their reputations destroyed against their will as a condition of getting an abortion, especially since it’s often all for naught (rape has a miniscule conviction rate). And of course incest victims are thoroughly conditioned from a very young age not to “destroy the family” and a person they may both love and hate.

    Many girls and women will “choose” to remain pregnant rather than expose themselves to a lenghty, traumatic public shaming and/or to tear their families apart. There is nothing humane about putting the onus on victims to prove these crimes, under the sexist assumption that doing so is the only way they can establish that they “deserve” to exercise this constitutional right. NO requirements should be placed on this ability, which is the direction we should be taking with any questions we ask.

    • Hal Johnson Hal Johnson says:

      It’s telling that, before he ran for the presidency, the elder George Bush was a pro-choice Republican.

      • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

        That’s correct Hal, and I’ve always thought George the Elder was the last moderate Republican. On the other hand, I read this funny article the other day that claimed George Sr. coined the phrase “New World Order.”

  21. Frank Treadway Frank Treadway says:

    Don’t forget, whether it’s Dahle or Kiley on June 4th…they are the minority at the Capitol in SAC. Neither will be able to foist the likes of Alabama, or other Red states, that seem to be giving grist to SCOTUS on Roe v Wade. Unless a bill is extreme or costly, the Democratic Majority in SAC prevails and often have the Republican minority legislators not even getting through committees. Our time will come in the North, our kids and grand kids with more balanced points of view are moving back.

    • R.V. Scheide R.V. Scheide says:

      What you’re getting at Frank is that Dahle’s actual job, working in the Democrat-supermajority Legislature in our infamously blue state, requires him to be far more pragmatic than his campaign fliers would indicate. He helped craft SB 901, which provides $1 billion over the next five years to clean the wildland/human interface, just funds from the state’s greenhouse gas reduction program. I’ve read many of the same reports as Dahle, and for someone with a more liberal, or even moderate eye, the Green New Deal is waiting there, right now, for northern California. If Silke Pfleuger hadn’t been screwed out of this race by State of Jefferson chicanery, we’d be talking about this right now, instead of these hilarious apocalyptic fliers.

  22. Avatar Candace C says:

    R.V. …needless to say that answer bugged the crap out of me. I too had my eye on Silke Pfleuger.

  23. Avatar Bruce Vojtecky says:

    RV, I was reading the comments and noticed you said in 2020 Trump would be the most unelectable president running for reelection in history. I would say that in 2016 Trump was the most unelectable candidate running for president in history and yet he is president. Doesn’t say much for the competition. That is why I didn’t vote for him.
    If Clinton had won there would be no METOO and powerful men would still be getting away with consensual rape. In fact I wondered, as many others did, if Hillary won who would actually be running the White House, her or Bill?
    Right now the Democrats are in Impeach mode and the only one with common sense is Pelosi as she tries to get her party talking about issues that matter to the American people. Healthcare is at the top off the list.